Robviously Posted August 21, 2013 Report Posted August 21, 2013 You and I have very different definitions of great. I agree that the Sabres have overdone some things (silver arm pits, for example), but this is the extreme opposite. They're even worse than Carolina's over-simplified Canada-wannabe designs. The Sabres' inclusion of silver in the color scheme at all is idiotic. Jamming it into the armpits for some reason is a disaster. The new Sharks uniforms are one set of bottom stripes away from perfection. As is, they're a great home and road set that works perfectly with their first 20 years in the league.
carpandean Posted August 21, 2013 Report Posted August 21, 2013 The Sabres' inclusion of silver in the color scheme at all is idiotic. Jamming it into the armpits for some reason is a disaster. The new Sharks uniforms are one set of bottom stripes away from perfection. As is, they're a great home and road set that works perfectly with their first 20 years in the league. Like I said, you and I have veeeeeeeery different definitions of great. These are god-awful. A set of waist stripes would have been something, anything. These, quite literally, are practice jerseys. Not only that, but they deleted one of the two orange mini stripes in the arm stripes, leaving an asymmetric (top-to-bottom) element in an otherwise symmetric set of stripes. It's a weird mix. I'd take the current Sabres' jerseys, silver pits and all, over these any day of the week and twice, neh, thrice on Sundays!
drnkirishone Posted August 21, 2013 Report Posted August 21, 2013 Dont like the sharks new uni. Seems like they are trying to mix new style with old and i dont like the combo. Either go simple and drop the shoulder logo or drop the elbow stripes
Hoss Posted August 21, 2013 Author Report Posted August 21, 2013 Not caring so much about a third jersey when we don't have a first-line center.....perspective, you know. Right? I can't believe how well Chicago's marketing department pieced together their championship roster. While the Sabres were busy trying to design the most complicated jersey in the entire league, the Sharks kept it simple and came up with something great: More unveiling pictures here: http://news.sportslo...es-to-uniforms/ And, yes, it's worth bringing up here because the Sabres keep making the same mistakes when it comes to new jerseys. I actually HATE this. The jerseys are okay but their prior look was among the NHL's best... The Sabres' inclusion of silver in the color scheme at all is idiotic. Jamming it into the armpits for some reason is a disaster. The new Sharks uniforms are one set of bottom stripes away from perfection. As is, they're a great home and road set that works perfectly with their first 20 years in the league. I think our jerseys would be some of the best in the league if they just dropped the silver armpit and the stupid floating piping up the sides.
Robviously Posted August 21, 2013 Report Posted August 21, 2013 Not caring so much about a third jersey when we don't have a first-line center.....perspective, you know. Having great jerseys is really easy to do. Having a great team is really hard to do. If your franchise is so dysfunctional that it can't get the easy things right, why should you have faith that they'll get the difficult things right?
LGR4GM Posted August 21, 2013 Report Posted August 21, 2013 Really people? ###### really? We are back to "If the Marketing department is meh than obviously the team will be meh. They are spending to much time on this jersey thing and not enough time on building a team!!!" That is like saying "Toyota spends to much on marketing but my last Toyota had engine issues, the marketing department sucks and should build better cars!" A bunch of Franchises have some just god awful jerseys but that has nothing to do with the product they put on the ice. Stop making this connection like someone is just all kinds of disorganized. They picked a marketing strategy for the jersey which most find annoying but they already started it and picked it so what are you going to do? Worst part is we don't even know what they actually look like yet.
shrader Posted August 21, 2013 Report Posted August 21, 2013 Dont like the sharks new uni. Seems like they are trying to mix new style with old and i dont like the combo. Either go simple and drop the shoulder logo or drop the elbow stripes Now that you mention it, that shoulder patch does look kind of awkward now that the jersey is all one color. I usually go with simple is better, but this one is a bit too simple.
spndnchz Posted August 21, 2013 Report Posted August 21, 2013 They got rid of the shoulder patch, extra band on the arm and the bands at the waist to make it more lightweight. I kid you not. What is that? Like 4oz?
Claude_Verret Posted August 21, 2013 Report Posted August 21, 2013 Does anyone know if the Sharks did all the sneak peak twitter nonsense or did they just announce a date for the unveiling? I like the jersey, but that's only because I have always really liked their logo. Same with the Sabres, we know they haven't changed the logo, so outside of polka dots or pinstripes I don't foresee myself hating the new thirds.
carpandean Posted August 21, 2013 Report Posted August 21, 2013 Does anyone know if the Sharks did all the sneak peak twitter nonsense or did they just announce a date for the unveiling? Tweeted on Sunday and Monday, then announced on Tuesday. Wasn't even 48 hours between the first tweet and the actual reveal. Now, that is something that the Sharks got right.
LGR4GM Posted August 21, 2013 Report Posted August 21, 2013 My guess is that we see a variation of these practice jerseys as the 3rd jerseys.
IKnowPhysics Posted August 21, 2013 Report Posted August 21, 2013 Just noticed that the Tampa Bay jersey, which was unveiled in early 2011, has the similar design elements, plus waist stripe: And Vancouver's been using their single tone jersey's, with waist stripe, since 2007. Several other teams have this approximate no-shoulders style. So what is the kvetching about? The waist stripe being gone? People were bitching that the waist stripe made the silly bottom cut of the new Reebok away jerseys look like diapers anyways.
carpandean Posted August 21, 2013 Report Posted August 21, 2013 My guess is that we see a variation of these practice jerseys as the 3rd jerseys. Well, it will be primarily gold and will have the classic logo, so yeah. However, with the details that we've seen, I'm going to guess that they would really stretch the definition of "a variation of ..." Heck, you could argue that their home jerseys are a variation of the blue practice jerseys. :P So what is the kvetching about? The waist stripe being gone? Since that is the only thing separating those jerseys from practice jerseys ... yes. People were bitching that the waist stripe made the silly bottom cut of the new Reebok away jerseys look like diapers anyways. That's more a complaint about the Reebok Edge cut than about waist stripes. It still looks better with one. Toronto went sans-waste-stripe on a monochromatic (non-yoke) jersey set from 2008-10, but then added it back on due to fan complaints.
TrueBlueGED Posted August 21, 2013 Report Posted August 21, 2013 Really people? ###### really? We are back to "If the Marketing department is meh than obviously the team will be meh. They are spending to much time on this jersey thing and not enough time on building a team!!!" That is like saying "Toyota spends to much on marketing but my last Toyota had engine issues, the marketing department sucks and should build better cars!" A bunch of Franchises have some just god awful jerseys but that has nothing to do with the product they put on the ice. Stop making this connection like someone is just all kinds of disorganized. They picked a marketing strategy for the jersey which most find annoying but they already started it and picked it so what are you going to do? Worst part is we don't even know what they actually look like yet. Thank you. Especially since a great jersey is pretty damn subjective.
Robviously Posted August 21, 2013 Report Posted August 21, 2013 Really people? ###### really? We are back to "If the Marketing department is meh than obviously the team will be meh. They are spending to much time on this jersey thing and not enough time on building a team!!!" That is like saying "Toyota spends to much on marketing but my last Toyota had engine issues, the marketing department sucks and should build better cars!" A bunch of Franchises have some just god awful jerseys but that has nothing to do with the product they put on the ice. Stop making this connection like someone is just all kinds of disorganized. They picked a marketing strategy for the jersey which most find annoying but they already started it and picked it so what are you going to do? Worst part is we don't even know what they actually look like yet. Quick: Name all the consistently great franchises in the four major sports that have horrible uniforms. Name every dynasty that happened while a team had horrible uniforms. Most of the time, when a team is constantly changing its look and getting it wrong, it's a dysfunctional franchise. Do dysfunctional franchises win a lot of championships? Again, if they can't get the easy stuff right, why do you think they're going to get the difficult things right? I remember taking some crap on TSW back in 2006 when the Buffaslug leaked and I said (paraphrase) "If the people running the team think these [the slugs] are what fans want, I'm worried about all the other decisions they have to make." Black Sunday was less than a year later. How about the Bills new uniforms in 2002? Did the Donahoe leadership get those completely wrong and everything else right? Sometimes you really can judge a book by its cover. Also, you're confusing "Marketing" with "Advertising." The marketing department at Toyota would be heavily involved in consumer research and if they make all the wrong conclusions, then yes, a bad marketing department will result in a bad product. And, actually, a bad marketing department would probably bleed into poor advertising too since they'd be responsible for working with Toyota's creative agency. Most bad products don't have great advertising. This is all tied together.
IKnowPhysics Posted August 21, 2013 Report Posted August 21, 2013 This is subjective as ######, but I'll bite. There's only been six different teams that have enjoyed true dynasties in the NHL, and none since 1990, making each jersey classic enough before the jersey meddling to disqualify it from competition. So I'll roll it ALLL the way back to the first NHL dyansty, the 1927 Ottawa Senators. I don't care what speakeasy you listen to your Gershwin phonograph's in, these were more putrid than Ernest Hemingway's 28 year old liver.
shrader Posted August 22, 2013 Report Posted August 22, 2013 Constant uniform juggling is mostly a creation of the last 15-20 years or so. That dynasty comment has very little to do with anything.
Robviously Posted August 22, 2013 Report Posted August 22, 2013 This is subjective as ######, but I'll bite. There's only been six different teams that have enjoyed true dynasties in the NHL, and none since 1990, making each jersey classic enough before the jersey meddling to disqualify it from competition. So I'll roll it ALLL the way back to the first NHL dyansty, the 1927 Ottawa Senators. I don't care what speakeasy you listen to your Gershwin phonograph's in, these were more putrid than Ernest Hemingway's 28 year old liver. 1. If this is the best example of a horrible jersey dynasty anyone can find, I'll go ahead and say my point has been proven. 2. This is still basically the Ottawa 67s home jersey now: http://content.sportslogos.net/logos/3/372/full/kjy0pqmkf5z51ffyyo0eoh1mu.gif And the "barber pole" is considered a classic by many.
IKnowPhysics Posted August 22, 2013 Report Posted August 22, 2013 Correlation does not imply causation. Point not proven.
Stoner Posted August 22, 2013 Report Posted August 22, 2013 Terry didn't care about making money. Terry allows ANOTHER tweaking of the uniform. Terry guides a rebuild that has the Sabres near the bottom in cap hit. Funny.
IKnowPhysics Posted August 22, 2013 Report Posted August 22, 2013 None of those dynasty teams had cup holders on their pissers. Can't win the cup with cup holders. Terry allowed those too. This team surely is ###### doomed.
Robviously Posted August 22, 2013 Report Posted August 22, 2013 Correlation does not imply causation. Point not proven. I was only trying to prove correlation. The nice uniforms themselves would not cause you to be a better team. It's a really simple point. Prove that you can get the really easy stuff right and I'll feel better about your chances of getting the difficult stuff right.
IKnowPhysics Posted August 22, 2013 Report Posted August 22, 2013 I understand your point, but by positing 'how could they get (insert hockey stuff) right if they can't first get (insert marketing stuff) right' you imply that success with (marketing stuff) is a requisite for success of (hockey stuff). But we both know that's not true. So if you illustrate that your point is merely correlation and there's no causal connection between (marketing stuff) and (hockey stuff), why even make an argument? There's a correlation between teams that wear red and winning percentage. (And I'm pretty sure no causal link has been established yet...?) I could make some argument that if we changed back to red jerseys that I would feel better about our chances of winning. But I wouldn't do that because that's stupid. Y'all sound like idiots. Just stop. Haha. Troof.
Robviously Posted August 22, 2013 Report Posted August 22, 2013 I understand your point, but by positing 'how could they get (insert hockey stuff) right if they can't first get (insert marketing stuff) right' you imply that success with (marketing stuff) is a requisite for success of (hockey stuff). But we both know that's not true. So if you illustrate that your point is merely correlation and there's no causal connection between (marketing stuff) and (hockey stuff), why even make an argument? There's a correlation between teams that wear red and winning percentage. (And I'm pretty sure no causal link has been established yet...?) I could make some argument that if we changed back to red jerseys that I would feel better about our chances of winning. But I wouldn't do that because that's stupid. Because correlation itself is important. You look at one thing to get a feel for how other things will turn out. You can look at a student's high school grades to get an idea of how they'll do in college. Correlation, not causation, but still relevant information. This is why we should take notice if the Sabres are about to crap out another uniform debacle. You get some insight into the team's other bad decisions like, say, the GM who apparently has never done anything wrong in his time here. Maybe the guys running this team are a little bit out of it.
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