deluca67 Posted May 11, 2013 Report Posted May 11, 2013 I can't agrue that point. But if I was so motivated, which I'm not, I'm sure I could find a huge list of successful NHL coaches who never had NHL experience before their first gig, starting with Scotty Bowman. Bowman started off as an assistant coach and had actually played pro-hockey.
Weave Posted May 11, 2013 Report Posted May 11, 2013 "Outside" of the Sabres organization is one thing, "outside" of the NHL all together is another. The sum of his NHL experience is watching his brother play. Playing pro hockey isn't a requirement to be a good pro hockey coach. Mike Keenan, Paul Maurice, Ken Hitchcock, Barry Trotz, Tom Renney, Bruce Boudreau all never played pro hockey. John tortorella never got any higher than ACHL. Having said that, I would like to see two experienced NHL assistant coaches hired on. If for no other reason than to bring in different perspecvtives and ways of doing things that have worked for other NHL teams.
Grumpy Posted May 11, 2013 Report Posted May 11, 2013 Bowman started off as an assistant coach and had actually played pro-hockey. Granted he was an assistant for a few months(his first pro coaching experience) and the head coach was fired and he took over, leading the expansion Blues to the playoffs their first three years. That entire division was all expansion teams.
Stoner Posted May 11, 2013 Report Posted May 11, 2013 Having said that, I would like to see two experienced NHL assistant coaches hired on. If for no other reason than to bring in different perspecvtives and ways of doing things that have worked for other NHL teams. And just where is your empirical data that experienced NHL assistant coaches with different perspectives and ways of doing things that have worked for other NHL teams make a difference? Why would such a coach (if he indeed does exist in the nether world outside of Buffalo) be better than Kevyn Adams? Please feel free to use the back of your paper. And show your work.
deluca67 Posted May 11, 2013 Report Posted May 11, 2013 Playing pro hockey isn't a requirement to be a good pro hockey coach. Mike Keenan, Paul Maurice, Ken Hitchcock, Barry Trotz, Tom Renney, Bruce Boudreau all never played pro hockey. John tortorella never got any higher than ACHL. Having said that, I would like to see two experienced NHL assistant coaches hired on. If for no other reason than to bring in different perspecvtives and ways of doing things that have worked for other NHL teams. Of the Coaches you mentioned, two have won a Stanley Cup, Hitchcock and Tortarella. They also happen to be the only two that had spent time as an assistant coach in the NHL prior to becoming a head coach. Now that can just be a coincidence, or it could mean something.
Grumpy Posted May 11, 2013 Report Posted May 11, 2013 Playing pro hockey isn't a requirement to be a good pro hockey coach. Mike Keenan, Paul Maurice, Ken Hitchcock, Barry Trotz, Tom Renney, Bruce Boudreau all never played pro hockey. John tortorella never got any higher than ACHL. Having said that, I would like to see two experienced NHL assistant coaches hired on. If for no other reason than to bring in different perspecvtives and ways of doing things that have worked for other NHL teams. I would agree. Having debated all this, I've still never seen a "good" coach without talented players and that will be the rub for any new hires.
deluca67 Posted May 11, 2013 Report Posted May 11, 2013 And just where is your empirical data that experienced NHL assistant coaches with different perspectives and ways of doing things that have worked for other NHL teams make a difference? Why would such a coach (if he indeed does exist in the nether world outside of Buffalo) be better than Kevyn Adams? Please feel free to use the back of your paper. And show your work. No offense PA, I would rather see you behind the Sabres bench as an assistant than Kevyn Adams. If he wasn't from Clarence he would have never gotten a sniff at the job to begin with. We have been subjected to some of the worst hockey in franchise history over the past few seasons, everyone on the bench and those behind the bench are all partly responsible.
Stoner Posted May 11, 2013 Report Posted May 11, 2013 No offense PA, I would rather see you behind the Sabres bench as an assistant than Kevyn Adams. If he wasn't from Clarence he would have never gotten a sniff at the job to begin with. We have been subjected to some of the worst hockey in franchise history over the past few seasons, everyone on the bench and those behind the bench are all partly responsible. Time to take you sarcasm meter in for new johnson rods!
Weave Posted May 11, 2013 Report Posted May 11, 2013 Of the Coaches you mentioned, two have won a Stanley Cup, Hitchcock and Tortarella. They also happen to be the only two that had spent time as an assistant coach in the NHL prior to becoming a head coach. Now that can just be a coincidence, or it could mean something. but... but... Patrick Roy! You move the goalposts to fit your complaint of the moment. It really is OK to simply state that you don't like the choice because you don't trust the GM that is making the choice. There is no need to fabricate an outrage of the moment to back it up. Not trusting the GM doing the evaluating is enough.
deluca67 Posted May 11, 2013 Report Posted May 11, 2013 but... but... Patrick Roy! You move the goalposts to fit your complaint of the moment. It really is OK to simply state that you don't like the choice because you don't trust the GM that is making the choice. There is no need to fabricate an outrage of the moment to back it up. Not trusting the GM doing the evaluating is enough. You usually don't have this much trouble following along. How exactly is me pointing out that of the list of NHL coaches you listed that never played in the NHL the two most success had NHL experience as assistant coaches "moving the goal posts" as you say. The "complaint" is about the lack of NHL experience of the Sabres current head coach. Patrick Roy has NHL experience as a player, actually Hall of Fame level experience. Either as a player or as an assistant coach, I prefer the Sabres head coach have some level of NHL experience other than watching his brother play the game. The "goal posts" haven't moved, they are solidly in the ground and I just nailed a 60 yarder right through the uprights.
dudacek Posted May 11, 2013 Report Posted May 11, 2013 Playing pro hockey isn't a requirement to be a good pro hockey coach. Mike Keenan, Paul Maurice, Ken Hitchcock, Barry Trotz, Tom Renney, Bruce Boudreau all never played pro hockey. John tortorella never got any higher than ACHL. Having said that, I would like to see two experienced NHL assistant coaches hired on. If for no other reason than to bring in different perspecvtives and ways of doing things that have worked for other NHL teams. I know it's hard to believe looking at him, but Boudreau played — minor league star with a few cups of coffee with the Leafs. But that doesn't change your excellent point.
tom webster Posted May 11, 2013 Report Posted May 11, 2013 Bowman started off as an assistant coach and had actually played pro-hockey. First off, is being an assistant coach in a 6 team league much different then being head of a National Program? Second, its not like the guy never played hockey at a high level. Lastly, Weave answered better although I am surprised he included Boudreau in his example.
Rox11 Posted May 11, 2013 Report Posted May 11, 2013 Your a grammer nazi...... You're a grammar nazi ... sorry, couldn't help it.
deluca67 Posted May 12, 2013 Report Posted May 12, 2013 First off, is being an assistant coach in a 6 team league much different then being head of a National Program? Second, its not like the guy never played hockey at a high level. Lastly, Weave answered better although I am surprised he included Boudreau in his example. He played three seasons at Michigan Technological University, I've found no record of Rolston playing any professional hockey.
drnkirishone Posted May 12, 2013 Report Posted May 12, 2013 You're a grammar nazi ... sorry, couldn't help it. maybe i meant he possesses the spirit of a grammer nazi
G-Daddy Posted May 14, 2013 Report Posted May 14, 2013 Rumor: Jim Roque is leaving Lake Superior to join the Buffalo Sabres as an assistant. He worked with Rolston at Clarkson from 96-99. Dave Davis though states that this is not true. http://kuklaskorner.com/tso/comments/report-of-roque-to-buffalo-as-assistant-is-false
CallawaySabres Posted May 14, 2013 Report Posted May 14, 2013 maybe i meant he possesses the spirit of a grammer nazi :doh:
26CornerBlitz Posted May 14, 2013 Report Posted May 14, 2013 maybe i meant he possesses the spirit of a grammer nazi :doh: :lol:
Weave Posted May 15, 2013 Report Posted May 15, 2013 Darcy brings in Bob Corkum again as his big playoff bolster? :P John Vogl @BuffNewsVogl11h Bob Corkum is a coach in USA Hockey. Wouldn't that be something if Ron Rolston hired him as an assistant? #circleoflife
TrueBlueGED Posted May 15, 2013 Report Posted May 15, 2013 Darcy brings in Bob Corkum again as his big playoff bolster? :P The joke potential alone sorta makes me hope it happens.
shrader Posted May 15, 2013 Report Posted May 15, 2013 Darcy brings in Bob Corkum again as his big playoff bolster? :P He's currently the interim head coach in Maine and will probably get that job. He's not going anywhere.
Doohicksie Posted May 15, 2013 Report Posted May 15, 2013 A rogue Roque report? He's gonna stay at Lake Superior; it's his Roque fort.
MattPie Posted May 15, 2013 Report Posted May 15, 2013 He's gonna stay at Lake Superior; it's his Roque fort. Well done!
Stoner Posted May 15, 2013 Report Posted May 15, 2013 He's gonna stay at Lake Superior; it's his Roque fort. Nice.
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