OT: Explosions at the Boston Marathon

[darksabre]

Investigators may never get a chance to talk with suspect #2.

 

 

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/21/us-usa-explosions-boston-shooting-idUSBRE93I0GQ20130421

 

It would be a shame if they never get a chance to interrogate this kid.

 

His hands still work don't they?

[LastPommerFan]

His hands still work don't they?

 

Seems like a stretch. The only way they "never" interview him is if he remains in a permanent vegetative state or dies. Hundreds of speechless people are interviewed every day by the Police.

[Hank]

 

 

Seems like a stretch. The only way they "never" interview him is if he remains in a permanent vegetative state or dies.

 

This is my hope...

[LastPommerFan]

Here's some speculation:

 

I wonder if they'll check the older brother's brain for CTE. Guy was a boxer for 7 years before he supposedly became "radicalized" he also had a domestic abuse charge against him in 2009. All this is pretty consistent with CTE cases like Chris Benoit. Think about it, you take a young man who has easy contact with violent elements from his homeland, isolate him from society at the age of 16 by moving him to a new country with a different culture and language, and punch him in the brain for half a decade. As he becomes more detached and depressed and angry as a result of concussions...

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

Here's some speculation:

 

I wonder if they'll check the older brother's brain for CTE. Guy was a boxer for 7 years before he supposedly became "radicalized" he also had a domestic abuse charge against him in 2009. All this is pretty consistent with CTE cases like Chris Benoit. Think about it, you take a young man who has easy contact with violent elements from his homeland, isolate him from society at the age of 16 by moving him to a new country with a different culture and language, and punch him in the brain for half a decade. As he becomes more detached and depressed and angry as a result of concussions...

 

I don't know what to do with this....

 

If you are joking......funny.

 

If you are serious, I want to put an oyster schucker through my own temple, because this drips of more feminine sap than a Darcy Regier roster......

[nucci]

Here's some speculation:

 

I wonder if they'll check the older brother's brain for CTE. Guy was a boxer for 7 years before he supposedly became "radicalized" he also had a domestic abuse charge against him in 2009. All this is pretty consistent with CTE cases like Chris Benoit. Think about it, you take a young man who has easy contact with violent elements from his homeland, isolate him from society at the age of 16 by moving him to a new country with a different culture and language, and punch him in the brain for half a decade. As he becomes more detached and depressed and angry as a result of concussions...

I'll reply with a Jack McCoy question from Law & Order. Any other boxers plant bombs near a large gather of people to kill them?

[LastPommerFan]

I don't know what to do with this....

 

If you are joking......funny.

 

If you are serious, I want to put an oyster schucker through my own temple, because this drips of more feminine sap than a Darcy Regier roster......

 

I just got this same reaction from another person.

 

I am serious, and I don't see the problem with my hypothesis. CTE can lead to violent behavior and unchecked anger and aggression. It's not an excuse, the guy is dead, there will be no defense, no case law created. I just want to know if it was a factor in this case.

 

I'll reply with a Jack McCoy question from Law & Order. Any other boxers plant bombs near a large gather of people to kill them?

 

I'm not saying it's a damn legal defense. He's dead. I want to know if we should keep Shawn Thornton away from fertilizer.

[Sabres Fan in NS]

I just got this same reaction from another person.

 

I am serious, and I don't see the problem with my hypothesis. CTE can lead to violent behavior and unchecked anger and aggression. It's not an excuse, the guy is dead, there will be no defense, no case law created. I just want to know if it was a factor in this case.

 

 

 

I'm not saying it's a damn legal defense. He's dead. I want to know if we should keep Shawn Thornton away from fertilizer.

 

For what it's worth.

 

I agree GCOE. It would be worth knowing if it could have had any sort of effect. What would be the harm. It could help try to prevent future such events.

 

IMO, people are reacting the way they are to your thought because of the raw emotions involved, which I completely understand.

 

The goal should be to try to do / learn everything in an effort to try to prevent future events.

 

It's easy to say *another _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ nutbar*. Saying that does not help prevent things like this happening in the future.

[Robviously]

I'm not saying it's a damn legal defense. He's dead. I want to know if we should keep Shawn Thornton away from fertilizer.

We should keep Shawn Thornton away from radical Islam.

 

Actually, we should probably keep everyone away from radical Islam.

[LastPommerFan]

We should keep Shawn Thornton away from radical Islam.

 

Actually, we should probably keep everyone away from radical Islam.

 

Yes, obviously. Why is my hypothesis mutually exclusive from the robvious conclusion that you have drawn?

 

Are you saying that events like this have a single cause? That they are that simple?

[Robviously]

Yes, obviously. Why is my hypothesis mutually exclusive from the robvious conclusion that you have drawn?

 

Are you saying that events like this have a single cause? That they are that simple?

No, just that so far there seems to be only one major cause and that it'd be pretty silly to ignore it. (Not really sure why you're freaking out.)

[LastPommerFan]

No, just that so far there seems to be only one major cause and that it'd be pretty silly to ignore it. (Not really sure why you're freaking out.)

 

(me either)

 

If he had a degenerative brain disease known to cause rage and violence, would that be considered a major or minor factor?

[X. Benedict]

There seems to be a contradiction in the CTE theory. CTE can certainly lead to changes in mood and angry outbursts.

But premeditated and long term planning skills that a bomber employs is probably not one of the skill sets that a CTE patient employs to cope with anger.

[LastPommerFan]

There seems to be a contradiction in the CTE theory. CTE can certainly lead to changes in mood and angry outbursts.

But premeditated and long term planning skills that a bomber employs is probably not one of the skill sets that a CTE patient employs to cope with anger.

 

Is this true? I know the first, but i've not seen the second, it is intuitive, but I've not heard that CTE patients cannot make plans.

[Stoner]

Is this true? I know the first, but i've not seen the second, it is intuitive, but I've not heard that CTE patients cannot make plans.

 

Didn't Junior Seau shoot himself in the chest so that his brain could be studied? One of those guys did, anyway.

 

You've made the mistake of asking a question whose answer might not fit a narrative. Kind of like asking, gee, why would anyone want to attack the United States, when we have hearts of gold. Must be that they hate us for our freedom, and are evil. /ducks

[Weave]

I'm skeptical of a link to CTE but it wouldn't take much effort to include it in any autopsy. The presence of CTE would certainly result in some interesting dialog.

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

(me either)

 

If he had a degenerative brain disease known to cause rage and violence, would that be considered a major or minor factor?

 

I'll be nice, because it is always wise to want to try and understand things........My reaction was not so much just this case, but the fact that in the sports world alone this meme is so overblown that it's currently threatening to ruin leagues that have a century worth of tradition. To throw that on top of what happened and make it seem like a potential excuse was just a little too much.

 

It's a war, plain and simple. People do things during war that they wouldn't dream of under normal circumstances. Now.....it isn't a war to the majority of us in the US....and to the majority of Muslims. But by definition, it is a war. It is fair to ask what drives someone to feel this is a war and go to such lengths. Why do you punch the lights out of someone who grabbed your sister's rear? Why do hackers leak the personal data of politicians or bankers? It is under this umbrealla that people need to see things, and not an individual acting. And in war.....planning is involved, and you wait to take on missions until you have the proper manpower or circumstances.

 

I will not get too in depth, but I have had the pleasure of learning the depths of this inevitable progression from level-headed people that I know and trust. That for as much in depth craziness I have seen in the world and amazing experiences, they have me beat tenfold. When 9/11 went down, I really wanted to understand...much like you do now. I almost wish I never went down that path, because it doesn't do the body good when someone is already a cynic and a critical thinker. I am very happy that in a domestic sense we have not had many major incidents, but much like the financial system, and sadly in sympatico with it.....eventually there is going to be a crossroads. On both I would have thought we would have seen it full force by now, but the longer you hold off, the uglier the solution eventually becomes. That is what scares me so much about what we saw last week.

 

Just look at the reactions on this board when it comes to something as stupid as a hockey team. I see hate bubble through at times. Now translate that on a scale as large as Family, Homeland, and Religion. Verbal warfare is our weapon of choice here......in the real world, with such real things involved......it just goes bigger.

[X. Benedict]

Is this true? I know the first, but i've not seen the second, it is intuitive, but I've not heard that CTE patients cannot make plans.

 

Depending on the level of dysfunction, but normally one would suspect executive functions would be compromised rather than enhanced.

 

The bombing in Boston didn't seem to be a rash act, but a premeditated plan that was thought through.

[MattPie]

You are right. The ideology itself will not be destroyed by force alone. I think the destructive effects of the ideology can and mostly (but not entirely) are stopped by force, and that force is a sin qua non of stopping those effects. I also think the number of new bulls who want to enter the ring in reaction to forcible measures is much smaller than the number who are dissuaded or prevented.

 

This is always an interesting concept for me. The "enemy" will always be beaten into submission, whereas "our guys" will always fight adversity and come thru in the end. I don't have any references, but from what I can tell every side of every conflict thinks the same thing.

 

Now, I'm certainly not saying we should apply force when required, and force *can* be a deterrent. But, the over-use of force seems to be pretty good at creating new enemies and conflicts.

[Sabres Fan in NS]

No, just that so far there seems to be only one major cause and that it'd be pretty silly to ignore it. (Not really sure why you're freaking out.)

 

I have an inclination as too why. Guys, as I said it's all good.

 

We should keep Shawn Thornton away from radical Islam.

 

Actually, we should probably keep everyone away from radical Islam.

 

So, long as we keep everyone away from every other form of radicalism.

 

As stated before, there is no such thing as radical Islam. Just misguided people that use religion to misguide other people into doing unspeakably horrible things. No different than "born again Christians" sighting scripture to justify destruction of doctors offices and the murder of said doctors. You all know what I mean, right?

 

Didn't Junior Seau shoot himself in the chest so that his brain could be studied? One of those guys did, anyway.

 

You've made the mistake of asking a question whose answer might not fit a narrative. Kind of like asking, gee, why would anyone want to attack the United States, when we have hearts of gold. Must be that they hate us for our freedom, and are evil. /ducks

 

The International policies of the US, down through the ages has played no small role, in any of these peoples actions, IMO. That's not to say that I in any way agree with those actions against the US, but one really needs to look at the root causes.

[shrader]

So driving through Watertown today, there were no signs that anything happened at all. I saw one street blocked off which was right in the area of the boat, but otherwise nothing. It's hard to believe all that happened here. Of course, if you actually went down that street, I'm sure you'd see far more disruption.

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

The big thing going forward here is if you think this is just 2 kids that went off the straight path and it's over, then rest easy. If you see Boston as an urban structure with the highest per capita of college students anywhere, a large liberal infrastucture which invites loose ends, and plenty of high value targets, then you might step back for a moment.

 

I have been pretty impressed though that we went 11 years without such a visable public act. There's something to be said for that.

[Robviously]

So, long as we keep everyone away from every other form of radicalism.

 

As stated before, there is no such thing as radical Islam.

This is a fairly amazing statement.

 

Just misguided people that use religion to misguide other people into doing unspeakably horrible things. No different than "born again Christians" sighting scripture to justify destruction of doctors offices and the murder of said doctors. You all know what I mean, right?

Nope. I know the politically correct thing to do every time radical Islam comes up is to pretend that every culture and every religion on earth is exactly the same. That doesn't mean it's true.

 

The big thing going forward here is if you think this is just 2 kids that went off the straight path and it's over, then rest easy. If you see Boston as an urban structure with the highest per capita of college students anywhere, a large liberal infrastucture which invites loose ends, and plenty of high value targets, then you might step back for a moment.

 

I have been pretty impressed though that we went 11 years without such a visable public act. There's something to be said for that.

Without a successful one. The Times Square Bomber, Shoe Bomber, and Underwear Bomber all failed.

[LGR4GM]

I keep wanting to make a comment but when you argue Politics and Religion on the internet... nobody wins.

[Sabres Fan in NS]

This is a fairly amazing statement.

 

 

Nope. I know the politically correct thing to do every time radical Islam comes up is to pretend that every culture and every religion on earth is exactly the same. That doesn't mean it's true.

 

Being a Muslim that was raised Christian, I am confident and comfortable with the statements I have made concerning Islam and other religions. It has nothing to do with being *PC*.

 

I don't want to go further on the public forum. I am more then willing to discuss further in private. PM me if you like. If not, that's OK too.