nfreeman Posted April 13, 2013 Report Posted April 13, 2013 I'm sorry, GCOE, but I must point out that since the trade, Minny is 1-3, with all 3 losses coming via shutout. Minny has slipped to #7 in the WC, and they are only 3 points ahead of the 3 teams in a 3-way tie for #9. They're playing one of those teams tonight (Columbus). Go BJs! (heh.) Unfortunately for the Sabres, Minny has a pretty easy remaining schedule: 2 games left against each of Calgary and Edmonton, plus 1 against Colorado.
LastPommerFan Posted April 13, 2013 Report Posted April 13, 2013 I'm sorry, GCOE, but I must point out that since the trade, Minny is 1-3, with all 3 losses coming via shutout. Minny has slipped to #7 in the WC, and they are only 3 points ahead of the 3 teams in a 3-way tie for #9. They're playing one of those teams tonight (Columbus). Go BJs! (heh.) Unfortunately for the Sabres, Minny has a pretty easy remaining schedule: 2 games left against each of Calgary and Edmonton, plus 1 against Colorado. Pommer is still a Sabre at heart. He's getting usa another lottery pick. Spiking the entire team's water bottles with coffee!
nfreeman Posted April 14, 2013 Report Posted April 14, 2013 ...and it must be noted that Pommer tied the game for Minny with 2 minutes left in regulation. D'oh!!!
Taro T Posted April 14, 2013 Report Posted April 14, 2013 Pommer is still a Sabre at heart. He's getting usa another lottery pick. Spiking the entire team's water bottles with coffee! ...and it must be noted that Pommer tied the game for Minny with 2 minutes left in regulation. D'oh!!! LBF, we are not amused. ;)
LastPommerFan Posted April 14, 2013 Report Posted April 14, 2013 ...and it must be noted that Pommer tied the game for Minny with 2 minutes left in regulation. D'oh!!! He was unaware that Power Play goals count on the scoreboard. It's an understandable error. He was prepared to put the SO attempt in his own net as penance, but put was not necessary.
Marvelo Posted April 15, 2013 Report Posted April 15, 2013 The Wild should learn to put Pomer first in the shootout. But I think he's lost a step in his game, especially since that gruesome laceration injury. Miss Jason and the population of Pominville but I think the Sabres are doing better without him.
Iron Crotch Posted April 15, 2013 Report Posted April 15, 2013 Wild vs. Flames tomorrow night. Go Flames!
Robviously Posted April 16, 2013 Report Posted April 16, 2013 Poms with another goal for the Wild tonight.
Two or less Posted April 16, 2013 Report Posted April 16, 2013 Poms with another goal for the Wild tonight. Derek Roy also scored tonight, his first goal for Vancouver.
Iron Crotch Posted April 16, 2013 Report Posted April 16, 2013 Poms with another goal for the Wild tonight. 2 goals now. Nice shot on the last goal. The first one was flukey.
Jsixspd Posted April 16, 2013 Report Posted April 16, 2013 Derek Roy also scored tonight, his first goal for Vancouver. As much as I dislike Roy, if we had to keep either Roy or Stafford, I would have rather gotten rid of Stafford.
darksabre Posted April 16, 2013 Report Posted April 16, 2013 2 goals now. Nice shot on the last goal. The first one was flukey. Is this the game where he tricks Minny fans into thinking he doesn't actually just shoot it into the goalie's chest all the time?
Iron Crotch Posted April 16, 2013 Report Posted April 16, 2013 Is this the game where he tricks Minny fans into thinking he doesn't actually just shoot it into the goalie's chest all the time? I think he is up to 4 goals now in Minnesota. So their fans probably think he was a great pickup. But, the Flames have been awful in this one. No goaltending.
Andrew Amerk Posted April 16, 2013 Report Posted April 16, 2013 6 points in 6 games for Pom. Larsson has 4 in 6 for Amerks. Hackett 2-0 with only 4 goals allowed and a .949 sv%
nfreeman Posted April 16, 2013 Report Posted April 16, 2013 6 points in 6 games for Pom. Larsson has 4 in 6 for Amerks. Hackett 2-0 with only 4 goals allowed and a .949 sv% Good info. Thanks.
inkman Posted April 16, 2013 Report Posted April 16, 2013 Is this the game where he tricks Minny fans into thinking he doesn't actually just shoot it into the goalie's chest all the time? I think this is unfair
nfreeman Posted April 16, 2013 Report Posted April 16, 2013 One thing struck me last night about Pommer: he's a good player and the Sabres would unquestionably be a better team if he were still on the team in the right role, which is 2nd-line RW who makes about $3.5MM, gets about the 4th-most ice time among forwards and wears an A in support of the right guys wearing the C and the other As. He'd be one of the best players in the league in that slot and I'd want him as a Sabre for his entire career. I'm not saying that it wasn't the right move to trade him. I think between the C, the contract and the team falling off the table, it probably was the right move to trade him. But the circumstances that combined to require him to be traded were mostly not of his doing, and the net result is that the team has lost a good player. Great work, Darcy.
Trettioåtta Posted April 16, 2013 Report Posted April 16, 2013 One thing struck me last night about Pommer: he's a good player and the Sabres would unquestionably be a better team if he were still on the team in the right role, which is 2nd-line RW who makes about $3.5MM, gets about the 4th-most ice time among forwards and wears an A in support of the right guys wearing the C and the other As. He'd be one of the best players in the league in that slot and I'd want him as a Sabre for his entire career. I'm not saying that it wasn't the right move to trade him. I think between the C, the contract and the team falling off the table, it probably was the right move to trade him. But the circumstances that combined to require him to be traded were mostly not of his doing, and the net result is that the team has lost a good player. Great work, Darcy. Ignoring the captaincy issue. How is Pommers not a top line RW? He is currently tied 13th in the league for RW scoring (tied with Perry), on a down year for him. Last year he finished 8th in RW scoring. If he is not a top line RW are we really saying there are only 5ish top line RW in the league? In which case are we not confusing top line for elite? Vanek and Pommers are top line players. Neither player is elite
nfreeman Posted April 16, 2013 Report Posted April 16, 2013 Ignoring the captaincy issue. How is Pommers not a top line RW? He is currently tied 13th in the league for RW scoring (tied with Perry), on a down year for him. Last year he finished 8th in RW scoring. If he is not a top line RW are we really saying there are only 5ish top line RW in the league? In which case are we not confusing top line for elite? Vanek and Pommers are top line players. Neither player is elite This is a reasonable view and one that many others have taken. I just think that given his size and game, you'd love to have a team with enough good forwards (like, say, the 2005-'07 Sabres) so that Pommer didn't have to be your top line RW.
26CornerBlitz Posted April 16, 2013 Report Posted April 16, 2013 @BNHarrington Pominville on #Wild last night: "It's nice coming into a group that's committed to winning." Uh-huh. #Sabres http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sports/recently-acquired-jason-pominville-scores-twice-in-wilds-4-3-win-over-flames-203134381.html …
Sabres Fan in NS Posted April 16, 2013 Report Posted April 16, 2013 Ignoring the captaincy issue. How is Pommers not a top line RW? He is currently tied 13th in the league for RW scoring (tied with Perry), on a down year for him. Last year he finished 8th in RW scoring. If he is not a top line RW are we really saying there are only 5ish top line RW in the league? In which case are we not confusing top line for elite? Vanek and Pommers are top line players. Neither player is elite There are, obviously, 30 top line RWs in the league. I agree with nfreeman. While Pominville is a very good player and was on the top line in Buffalo recently, it should be noted that he was not always on the top line during his time in Buffalo, his character, more than anything, has him better suited as a second line RW, on a team that would be a challenger for the cup, IMO. Wolly run on sentence. I think the Wild will use him in that role and he will likely do very well at it.
Iron Crotch Posted April 16, 2013 Report Posted April 16, 2013 Ignoring the captaincy issue. How is Pommers not a top line RW? He is currently tied 13th in the league for RW scoring (tied with Perry), on a down year for him. Last year he finished 8th in RW scoring. If he is not a top line RW are we really saying there are only 5ish top line RW in the league? In which case are we not confusing top line for elite? Vanek and Pommers are top line players. Neither player is elite Fair points. I always had two issues with Pommer: (1) As has been much discussed on this board, that he regularly avoided physical play has always been an issue for me. I don't think every player needs to be physical, nor should that have been his role. But, my opinion is that certain players are built for the regular season and certain guys are built for the playoffs. And, I always viewed Pommer as the former. (2) IMHO, to be considered an elite forward you should have the ability to create scoring chances on your own. When I look at Vanek, he can do so - he can beat guys on the rush. I don't think I've ever seen Pommer create his own chances. He predominantly finds the right spots on the ice and capitalizes on passes from his linemates. The two goals he scored last night were just that - he floated to a spot and capitalized when the puck came to him. On that end, playing on a line with Parise and Koivu certainly benefits Pommer. I think he is a guy who makes the "top line" better, but you don't build around him, which is what Darcy tried to do. A subtle difference IMHO.
LastPommerFan Posted April 16, 2013 Report Posted April 16, 2013 One thing struck me last night about Pommer: he's a good player and the Sabres would unquestionably be a better team if he were still on the team in the right role, which is 2nd-line RW who makes about $3.5MM, gets about the 4th-most ice time among forwards and wears an A in support of the right guys wearing the C and the other As. He'd be one of the best players in the league in that slot and I'd want him as a Sabre for his entire career. I'm not saying that it wasn't the right move to trade him. I think between the C, the contract and the team falling off the table, it probably was the right move to trade him. But the circumstances that combined to require him to be traded were mostly not of his doing, and the net result is that the team has lost a good player. Great work, Darcy. I agree with your assessment that Pommer's game is a little better suited when he's on the 2 line, plus the lower 2 line minutes would allow him to be more fresh for the PK, I really believe that there is a consistent misconception among many on what dollar amounts are the correct pricing for a particular player. Presumably Pommer would still be scoring more than 20 goals a season from the #2 RW position. Basically he'd be in the top 60 wingers as there would be bad teams whos #1 winger wouldn't be as good as he is. For reference, here are some recent wingers between 28 and 32 who signed at about $3.5M: Justin Williams Troy Brouwer Joel Ward Looking at the list at that number, the only winger in that range that stands out as on the same level as pommer is Kunitz. With him, nearly everyone acknowledges that even though his scoring is less than Pommer, despite having a much better centerman, he is a steal at $3.75M, especially for a 2 time SC champ.
Doohicksie Posted April 16, 2013 Report Posted April 16, 2013 (2) IMHO, to be considered an elite forward you should have the ability to create scoring chances on your own. When I look at Vanek, he can do so - he can beat guys on the rush. I don't think I've ever seen Pommer create his own chances. He predominantly finds the right spots on the ice and capitalizes on passes from his linemates. The two goals he scored last night were just that - he floated to a spot and capitalized when the puck came to him. On that end, playing on a line with Parise and Koivu certainly benefits Pommer. I think he is a guy who makes the "top line" better, but you don't build around him, which is what Darcy tried to do. A subtle difference IMHO. I disagree. Brett Hull and Brendan Shanahan were elite, and they did pretty much the same thing. They found the soft spots in the defense so that when the pass came they could get a great shot off without interference. Going back quite a few years, I seem to remember Rick Martin having that same kind of method.
TrueBlueGED Posted April 16, 2013 Report Posted April 16, 2013 I can't believe we're arguing about whether Pominville is a top line player. He's a 1st liner on at least half the teams in the league. Is he an elite player? No. Do you want him to be the best player on your top line (and thus, best forward)? No. Can he be the best RW on a Cup-winning team? Maybe, maybe not. But that doesn't mean he's not a 1st line player. I also agree with LPF (sorry, I refuse to acknowledge the name change :P) that people's expectations about pay/performance are totally out of whack more often than not.
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