nfreeman Posted August 6, 2013 Report Posted August 6, 2013 Well he weighs 180 but that is neither here nor there. To me the main thing Flynn has is creativity and speed. Tropp has a little less speed and is heavier. Both are RW and both are interesting going forward. you must be thinking of gerbe. or leino. ennis? EDIT: in all seriousness, flynn's signing was announced as the arrival of another young center. EDIT2: hamilton blogged on WGR's website that pominville's departure was made possible, in part, by the fact that flynn ... flynn ... was already able (or soon would be able) to do much of what pominville could do. i can't find the link. Perhaps I blinked once or twice during the games last season, but I didn't see Flynn do a single GD thing that remotely resembled offensive playmaking ability, let alone indicate that he could be one-tenth the player that Pommer was.
deluca67 Posted August 6, 2013 Report Posted August 6, 2013 So does the WGR article have any merit, will Hodgson be a problem signing? If so, another center walkingoff with no plan for it from Darcy. He better get off his backside and do somthing, or not, Sabres could end up with the number 1 draft pick next year because they have no number 1 or 2 centers. If so, next season should be really painful. Really what is Darcy's problem finding good centers? I don't get it? The cycle of bad contracts needs to end. Maybe it ends with Hodgson. It would be an epic fail on a cataclysmic level if the Sabres added another contract on the level of those given to Stafford and Leino. The priority should be to sign contracts that are a value to the Sabres. They have more than their share of contracts that players are not living up to.
inkman Posted August 7, 2013 Report Posted August 7, 2013 The cycle of bad contracts needs to end. Maybe it ends with Hodgson. It would be an epic fail on a cataclysmic level if the Sabres added another contract on the level of those given to Stafford and Leino. The priority should be to sign contracts that are a value to the Sabres. They have more than their share of contracts that players are not living up to. So they should start with the best young center they've had in a decade or two?
deluca67 Posted August 7, 2013 Report Posted August 7, 2013 So they should start with the best young center they've had in a decade or two? Hodgson isn't the "best" anything. He is an extremely limited player with offensive talent. Anointments like "best young center they've had in a decade or two" is the thinking that traps bad teams into bad contracts. Hodgson hasn't shown anything over his first 139 games in the NHL to justify anything more than a modest raise for a short term.
BuffaloSoldier2010 Posted August 7, 2013 Report Posted August 7, 2013 So does the WGR article have any merit, will Hodgson be a problem signing? If so, another center walkingoff with no plan for it from Darcy. He better get off his backside and do somthing, or not, Sabres could end up with the number 1 draft pick next year because they have no number 1 or 2 centers. If so, next season should be really painful. Really what is Darcy's problem finding good centers? I don't get it? Honestly it seems more like a hype article to draw some views during an otherwise dead time of year for the NHL. Is it possible? yeah, likely? not in my opinion. Henrique hasnt signed yet either. Im not worried. Not yet.
darksabre Posted August 7, 2013 Report Posted August 7, 2013 Hodgson isn't the "best" anything. He is an extremely limited player with offensive talent. Anointments like "best young center they've had in a decade or two" is the thinking that traps bad teams into bad contracts. Hodgson hasn't shown anything over his first 139 games in the NHL to justify anything more than a modest raise for a short term. Except glimpses of elite talent in a very young player. But whatever you say.
beerme1 Posted August 7, 2013 Report Posted August 7, 2013 I miss the days where we had to wait until a kid was at least 25-30 before starting to say these kind of things. Now with the cap and the requirement for young talent to contribute almost immediately, we've now lowered the bar to 19. It's crazy how this league has changed. The veterans basically shot themselves in the foot with the last two cba's and I'm afraid what you have now is the way forward.
qwksndmonster Posted August 7, 2013 Author Report Posted August 7, 2013 Except glimpses of elite talent in a very young player. But whatever you say. If Hodgson had Staffords contract, I'd cream my pants.
deluca67 Posted August 7, 2013 Report Posted August 7, 2013 Except glimpses of elite talent in a very young player. But whatever you say. It's been so long I guess posters are lowering the requirements for what qualifies as "elite." That is to be expected from a desperate fan base.
LGR4GM Posted August 7, 2013 Report Posted August 7, 2013 Flynn... A 24/25 year old late bloomer is going to do what Pommer did? Hahahahaha I wish. Flynn isn't really a late bloomer though. He went to the University of Maine for 4 years, signed with us and has only been in the system for a little over a year... He signed his deal with Buffalo in march 2012. So does the WGR article have any merit, will Hodgson be a problem signing? If so, another center walkingoff with no plan for it from Darcy. He better get off his backside and do somthing, or not, Sabres could end up with the number 1 draft pick next year because they have no number 1 or 2 centers. If so, next season should be really painful. Really what is Darcy's problem finding good centers? I don't get it? We qualified Hodgson, unless he wants to sit out the entire season he will resign so no the article has no merit. It's been so long I guess posters are lowering the requirements for what qualifies as "elite." That is to be expected from a desperate fan base. He isn't elite but he is very good at playmaking and offensive zone stuff (passing, shooting, control) if he had a better defensive game than he would be edging closer to elite. You resign Hodgson for something in the 3mil ish range. Probably 3mil X 3 years. Some here assume it is a money thing but I guarantee it is a length of contract issue. Cody is what 24? So the Sabres probably want a 2 or 4 year deal and Cody wants 3 years so he is ready for that first year of UFA status. This will get worked out. Perhaps I blinked once or twice during the games last season, but I didn't see Flynn do a single GD thing that remotely resembled offensive playmaking ability, let alone indicate that he could be one-tenth the player that Pommer was. Okay well I saw some stuff. As for the pommers things, I don't think Flynn will be Pominville.
darksabre Posted August 7, 2013 Report Posted August 7, 2013 It's been so long I guess posters are lowering the requirements for what qualifies as "elite." That is to be expected from a desperate fan base. It's just my personal opinion from watching a lot of hockey. There are things about his game that catch my eye that make me sure he's got a touch of special in him. Not a lot of players can get the puck on net like he does without getting good wood on it. In just that one highlight video there are several goals that come off his stick from the most unusual shots and somehow end up as goals. That's having "the touch".
Eleven Posted August 7, 2013 Report Posted August 7, 2013 Hodgson isn't the "best" anything. He is an extremely limited player with offensive talent. Anointments like "best young center they've had in a decade or two" is the thinking that traps bad teams into bad contracts. Hodgson hasn't shown anything over his first 139 games in the NHL to justify anything more than a modest raise for a short term. Don't let your dismay at the Kassian trade cloud your judgment of Hodgson. He's a heck of a young player. I don't yet know if he's the best young center in a decade or two, but he sure has the potential to be.
LGR4GM Posted August 7, 2013 Report Posted August 7, 2013 Don't let your dismay at the Kassian trade cloud your judgment of Hodgson. He's a heck of a young player. I don't yet know if he's the best young center in a decade or two, but he sure has the potential to be. ...exactly, very promising young man who has shown more than Kassian at this point.
Eleven Posted August 7, 2013 Report Posted August 7, 2013 ...exactly, very promising young man who has shown more than Kassian at this point. Hodgson stands on his own merit without the comparison.
... Posted August 8, 2013 Report Posted August 8, 2013 Stafford showed lots of promise, too, within the parameters thrown about in this thread. Gerbe was supposed to be an offensive talent. Myers won some prestigious trophy early in his career. Deluca is correct; that kind of "could be, should be" thinking needs to be trashed. The Sabres need to revise whatever they use to assess the progress of a player and inject some accuracy and realism into it. If they're going to make the fans suffer for a few seasons, they better come out the other side ready to eat the Stanley Cup for breakfast and sh*t out nails. That said, I don't disagree that Hodgson seems to have some special offensive qualities and I think the Sabres need to keep him around another season to see what he can bring. LGR is probably dead on with his assessment of the contract situation; I can't imagine money being primary here.
deluca67 Posted August 8, 2013 Report Posted August 8, 2013 Stafford showed lots of promise, too, within the parameters thrown about in this thread. Gerbe was supposed to be an offensive talent. Myers won some prestigious trophy early in his career. Deluca is correct; that kind of "could be, should be" thinking needs to be trashed. The Sabres need to revise whatever they use to assess the progress of a player and inject some accuracy and realism into it. If they're going to make the fans suffer for a few seasons, they better come out the other side ready to eat the Stanley Cup for breakfast and sh*t out nails. That said, I don't disagree that Hodgson seems to have some special offensive qualities and I think the Sabres need to keep him around another season to see what he can bring. LGR is probably dead on with his assessment of the contract situation; I can't imagine money being primary here. That's a great point. It's never going to happen if the Sabres go about things business as usual. Center maybe the primary roster need, it is not the primary issue as to why the Sabres are in the position they are in.
waldo Posted August 8, 2013 Report Posted August 8, 2013 So they should start with the best young center they've had in a decade or two? They traded Roy lol and let Chris and Danny walk ...remember?...... all within the decade..... all were better than what we have, as was the timmy when he arrived , before he got wrecked.. That's a great point. It's never going to happen if the Sabres go about things business as usual. Center maybe the primary roster need, it is not the primary issue as to why the Sabres are in the position they are in. Actually.... i would put it in the top three
Marvelo Posted August 8, 2013 Report Posted August 8, 2013 Talk about suffering...the 20 types of depressed sports fans. http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/62564/the-20-types-of-depressed-sports-fans
LGR4GM Posted August 8, 2013 Report Posted August 8, 2013 That's a great point. It's never going to happen if the Sabres go about things business as usual. Center maybe the primary roster need, it is not the primary issue as to why the Sabres are in the position they are in. No but it contributed. I think we can agree the reason they have failed is some combination of work ethic/grit... that never say die attitude. That eat kittens and ###### grenades mentality.
Huckleberry Posted August 9, 2013 Report Posted August 9, 2013 1st line *vanek - hodgon - Leino/Armia/Tropp Leino will start out the season here, but gets reinjured, Armia will get a shot but will prove to green and gets send back to AHL. Tropp will finally snag the spot come december and won't leave. Vanek will get injured in february, coming back to health just before the deadline but regier won't find any takers. 2nd line Ennis - Grigorenko - Stafford With these two feeding him , stafford will have a blowout 30 goal season again, gets traded to a contender for a 1st round pick at the deadline. 3rd line Ott - Girgensons - Tropp/Leino 4th line Kaleta - Flynn - Porter /scott defense *Myers - tallinder Erhoff - Ristolainen pysik - weber Myers gets traded in the offseason after another dissapointing campaign. Goalies *Miller - Enroth - hackett Gets traded at the deadline to a contender in need of a goalie for a 2nd round pick + a prospect.
waldo Posted August 9, 2013 Report Posted August 9, 2013 1st line *vanek - hodgon - Leino/Armia/Tropp Leino will start out the season here, but gets reinjured, Armia will get a shot but will prove to green and gets send back to AHL. Tropp will finally snag the spot come december and won't leave. Vanek will get injured in february, coming back to health just before the deadline but regier won't find any takers. 2nd line Ennis - Grigorenko - Stafford With these two feeding him , stafford will have a blowout 30 goal season again, gets traded to a contender for a 1st round pick at the deadline. 3rd line Ott - Girgensons - Tropp/Leino 4th line Kaleta - Flynn - Porter /scott defense *Myers - tallinder Erhoff - Ristolainen pysik - weber Myers gets traded in the offseason after another dissapointing campaign. Goalies *Miller - Enroth - hackett Gets traded at the deadline to a contender in need of a goalie for a 2nd round pick + a prospect. good post....
tom webster Posted August 9, 2013 Report Posted August 9, 2013 good post.... Except Foligno is missing and will be integral to the rebuild and Flynn isn't a fourth line center
TrueBlueGED Posted August 9, 2013 Report Posted August 9, 2013 Except Foligno is missing and will be integral to the rebuild and Flynn isn't a fourth line center And there will be a trade partner for Vanek unless he suffers a season ending injury.
tom webster Posted August 9, 2013 Report Posted August 9, 2013 And there will be a trade partner for Vanek unless he suffers a season ending injury. I think there are trade partners but not sure there is a trade. Still think they think they are closer to good and they will be able to convince Vanek to stay.
TrueBlueGED Posted August 9, 2013 Report Posted August 9, 2013 I think there are trade partners but not sure there is a trade. Still think they think they are closer to good and they will be able to convince Vanek to stay. If they manage to stay in playoff position most of the year you may be right. But if they're heading towards another deadline sell off I can't picture Vanek being convinced nor Regier losing him for nothing 2 months later.
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