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  1. 1. Which would you draft given the 1st overall pick?

    • Seth Jones
      18
    • Nathan MacKinnon
      68
    • Jonathan Drouin
      22

  2. 2. Who do you think the Sabres should draft at #8 overall?

    • Sean Monahan
      10
    • Elias Lindholm
      7
    • Valeri Nichushkin
      10
    • Ristolainen/Nurse/Zadarov/Other defender
      0
    • Zach Fucale
      2
    • Other, please post name
      5

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TrueBlueGED Hall of Famer

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Sekera is the first one that comes to mind, but why not Ehrhoff? He'd be super desirable to the Canes based on his low cost and his small cap hit. He's definitely top four and he'd do a ton for them immediately. It would suck to lose him since we paid him a ton up front and since our defense already sucks now, but we should be willing to go nuts if it's about landing the right guy in the draft this year. This is exactly the right time to be bold.

 

If they want someone younger, we have Pysyk, McCabe, and McNabb. And Myers.

 

Are you envisioning Ehrhoff straight up for #5? I'm not sure what else I'd be willing to add in, but I do know if Ehrhoff goes there's no way I put #8 into the mix too.

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My brain tells me that one of Vanek and Miller will be traded at the draft or leading up to the draft.

 

But my gut tells me that both of them will (unhappily) be on the roster to start the season and the only real deals we'll see are Stafford heading elsewhere and a move up in the draft somewhere.

 

Miller is gone this weekend I would guess. Vanek maybe as well. There are too many juicy trade partners out there and with the depth of the draft from 6-20.....I would think the Sabres would like to get 1 more pick in there.

 

Tampa, Edmonton, Philly, Anaheim, Washington and Calgary all make sense in some regard. Winnipeg and Columbus as well. If the Sabres are going to try and convince Vanek to stay, they will have to take a 2 prong attack.....get a legit center with #1 capabilities, (Couturier, LeCavalier).....and probably make a move for another top line RW (Iginla/FA, Bobby Ryan).

 

If Vanek really wants out, then you will probably see him shipped for a 6-15 pick in some sort of package. I see no reason not to think big and package Vanek and Miller to Philly for #11 and Couturier even if Vanek leaves. This makes the most sense to me.

 

There is a way for the Sabres to "soften" the suffering of a rebuild. If the Sabres have word that Iginla would think about coming here for a payday if he knew they weren't going to total rebuild, you get him for free. You could then use Miller to acquire you center. Vinny's contract is hefty, but he still has value. There is nothing stopping the Sabres from going into the season with a top 6 of (Vanek, LeCavalier, Iginla, Ott, Hodgson, Ennis), and still having 3 picks from 8-22 if you say package you 2nds to Calgary. Heck, even if you keep Stafford and Lieno, a bottom 6 of (Lieno, Grigorenko, Stafford, Foligno, Girgensons, Larsson) is solid. Buy out Leino or Stafford and let Flynn play if you need to make the cap. You have a fairly young and affordable D in (Ehrhoff, Weber, Sekera, Myers, (2 of the young guys), and let Enroth platoon 50/30 with someone. Draft 3 hard workers with talent and grit, and in 2-3 years...they young kids learn under Iggy, Ott and Vinny with Vanek and Ott still having something in the tank, and now a cavalry at forward of young and talented leaders who had a good example to show them the way.

 

Granted I don't think Darcy can think this big, but we can't half-ass this. Either clean house and move Miller.Vanek/Stafford for as many picks as possible.....or keep Vanek and go get a couple vets that can keep our heads above water.

 

I think one way or the other......we may see some actual fireworks this weekend. I'm excited about it.

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Miller is gone this weekend I would guess. Vanek maybe as well. There are too many juicy trade partners out there and with the depth of the draft from 6-20.....I would think the Sabres would like to get 1 more pick in there.

 

From a macro perspective, I think this post is exactly right. The actual details could differ, but the moving parts themselves -- spot on.

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Ehrhoff straight up for 5 seems fair. Great contract, money up front already paid, legit top pairing 2 way guy.

 

Sorry i think this is a very bad deal. We should not give away our assets for too less.

 

In my opinion Ehrhoff is a top 20, maybe a top 10 defender in the NHL, especially for his really low cap hit.

 

I do not believe if number 5 in the draft will bring you someone like him with guarantee. I know that Vanek was our #5, but not every number 5 is such a good player.

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From a macro perspective, I think this post is exactly right. The actual details could differ, but the moving parts themselves -- spot on.

 

Very possible. I haven't seen much on the boards in the way of possible player for player trades recently, anyone come to mind around the league as opposed to just picks alone?

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The answer to these 3 questions will have to get answered at the draft before we select

1) Will Carolina take Nichushkin like everyone predicts?

2) Will Calgary take Monahan because they don't want to wait another year for Lindholm to come to N.A.?

3) Will Edmonton draft the much needed defender of their future in Nurse?

Hoss Hall of Famer

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Miller is gone this weekend I would guess. Vanek maybe as well. There are too many juicy trade partners out there and with the depth of the draft from 6-20.....I would think the Sabres would like to get 1 more pick in there.

 

Tampa, Edmonton, Philly, Anaheim, Washington and Calgary all make sense in some regard. Winnipeg and Columbus as well. If the Sabres are going to try and convince Vanek to stay, they will have to take a 2 prong attack.....get a legit center with #1 capabilities, (Couturier, LeCavalier).....and probably make a move for another top line RW (Iginla/FA, Bobby Ryan).

 

If Vanek really wants out, then you will probably see him shipped for a 6-15 pick in some sort of package. I see no reason not to think big and package Vanek and Miller to Philly for #11 and Couturier even if Vanek leaves. This makes the most sense to me.

 

There is a way for the Sabres to "soften" the suffering of a rebuild. If the Sabres have word that Iginla would think about coming here for a payday if he knew they weren't going to total rebuild, you get him for free. You could then use Miller to acquire you center. Vinny's contract is hefty, but he still has value. There is nothing stopping the Sabres from going into the season with a top 6 of (Vanek, LeCavalier, Iginla, Ott, Hodgson, Ennis), and still having 3 picks from 8-22 if you say package you 2nds to Calgary. Heck, even if you keep Stafford and Lieno, a bottom 6 of (Lieno, Grigorenko, Stafford, Foligno, Girgensons, Larsson) is solid. Buy out Leino or Stafford and let Flynn play if you need to make the cap. You have a fairly young and affordable D in (Ehrhoff, Weber, Sekera, Myers, (2 of the young guys), and let Enroth platoon 50/30 with someone. Draft 3 hard workers with talent and grit, and in 2-3 years...they young kids learn under Iggy, Ott and Vinny with Vanek and Ott still having something in the tank, and now a cavalry at forward of young and talented leaders who had a good example to show them the way.

 

Granted I don't think Darcy can think this big, but we can't half-ass this. Either clean house and move Miller.Vanek/Stafford for as many picks as possible.....or keep Vanek and go get a couple vets that can keep our heads above water.

 

I think one way or the other......we may see some actual fireworks this weekend. I'm excited about it.

 

The problem is, I don't think any team will deal a first round pick in this year's draft for an expiring goaltender.

 

And that deal with Philly isn't enough in my opinion. You'd get FAR more trading both of them separately. But maybe not with what I pointed out above.

 

Dealing them separate we could probably land two firsts (MAYBE one of them being in the middle of this year's first round) and two solid prospects. That's the TOTAL package, not what you'd get for each.

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I'm hoping the Flames want Fucale and he's still on the board when the Sabres are up at 16. I'd offer the Flames 16 and 38 for 22 and 28 with the hope that Feaster would accept. Thoughts?

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I'm hoping the Flames want Fucale and he's still on the board when the Sabres are up at 16. I'd offer the Flames 16 and 38 for 22 and 28 with the hope that Feaster would accept. Thoughts?

 

If Anthony Mantha is gone/nobody else falls I'd do that in a heartbeat.

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I'm hoping the Flames want Fucale and he's still on the board when the Sabres are up at 16. I'd offer the Flames 16 and 38 for 22 and 28 with the hope that Feaster would accept. Thoughts?

 

My thoughts! You really want my thoughts!?!

 

That plan of yours stinks!!

 

;)

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Miller is gone this weekend I would guess. Vanek maybe as well. There are too many juicy trade partners out there and with the depth of the draft from 6-20.....I would think the Sabres would like to get 1 more pick in there.

 

Tampa, Edmonton, Philly, Anaheim, Washington and Calgary all make sense in some regard. Winnipeg and Columbus as well. If the Sabres are going to try and convince Vanek to stay, they will have to take a 2 prong attack.....get a legit center with #1 capabilities, (Couturier, LeCavalier).....and probably make a move for another top line RW (Iginla/FA, Bobby Ryan).

 

If Vanek really wants out, then you will probably see him shipped for a 6-15 pick in some sort of package. I see no reason not to think big and package Vanek and Miller to Philly for #11 and Couturier even if Vanek leaves. This makes the most sense to me.

 

There is a way for the Sabres to "soften" the suffering of a rebuild. If the Sabres have word that Iginla would think about coming here for a payday if he knew they weren't going to total rebuild, you get him for free. You could then use Miller to acquire you center. Vinny's contract is hefty, but he still has value. There is nothing stopping the Sabres from going into the season with a top 6 of (Vanek, LeCavalier, Iginla, Ott, Hodgson, Ennis), and still having 3 picks from 8-22 if you say package you 2nds to Calgary. Heck, even if you keep Stafford and Lieno, a bottom 6 of (Lieno, Grigorenko, Stafford, Foligno, Girgensons, Larsson) is solid. Buy out Leino or Stafford and let Flynn play if you need to make the cap. You have a fairly young and affordable D in (Ehrhoff, Weber, Sekera, Myers, (2 of the young guys), and let Enroth platoon 50/30 with someone. Draft 3 hard workers with talent and grit, and in 2-3 years...they young kids learn under Iggy, Ott and Vinny with Vanek and Ott still having something in the tank, and now a cavalry at forward of young and talented leaders who had a good example to show them the way.

 

Granted I don't think Darcy can think this big, but we can't half-ass this. Either clean house and move Miller.Vanek/Stafford for as many picks as possible.....or keep Vanek and go get a couple vets that can keep our heads above water.

 

I think one way or the other......we may see some actual fireworks this weekend. I'm excited about it.

 

Not sure I agree with your trade targets for Miller. Take Tampa (they are going with Bishop and Lindback as long as Stevie Y is in charge), Anaheim (they possess two goalies of equal ability to Miller, arguably better), and Calgary (in a rebuild of their own) out of that equation right off the bat. Dubnyk isn't as bad as people on these message boards think, so not sure if Edmonton is really that interested. Washington and Philly are interesting cases, but both are struggling with cap issues, so any deals would have to be clever. I think the Isles make the perfect trading partner assuming they aren't on Miller's list. They have tons of prospects that could fit in quite nicely with our stable.

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Sorry i think this is a very bad deal. We should not give away our assets for too less.

 

In my opinion Ehrhoff is a top 20, maybe a top 10 defender in the NHL, especially for his really low cap hit.

 

I do not believe if number 5 in the draft will bring you someone like him with guarantee. I know that Vanek was our #5, but not every number 5 is such a good player.

5 will be either Barkov, Nichushkin, Lindholm, or Drouin. I don't think you'd get much more than the #5 for Ehrhoff.

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Miller is gone this weekend I would guess. Vanek maybe as well. There are too many juicy trade partners out there and with the depth of the draft from 6-20.....I would think the Sabres would like to get 1 more pick in there.

 

 

I think moving Miller this offseason makes sense even if we weren't lining up for a season of suffering. The backup is ready for a promotion and the team could use the salary cap space AND the return from the deal to solidify other areas of need.

 

Moving Miller this offseason just seems like a no-brainer to me.

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I'm hoping the Flames want Fucale and he's still on the board when the Sabres are up at 16. I'd offer the Flames 16 and 38 for 22 and 28 with the hope that Feaster would accept. Thoughts?

If Anthony Mantha is gone/nobody else falls I'd do that in a heartbeat.

I'd offer Feaster 16+52 for 22+28 otherwise we are moving back 6 to move up 10. Calgary is moving up 6 to move back 10. It is in their favor by a lot. Last year we traded 21+42 to get to 14. That doesn't include Calgary trading us anything other than the 1 pick.

 

Oddly if you look at the 2012 Draft we got Zemgus Girgensons and Jake McCabe via Calgary trades. Calgary got Patrik Sieloff and Mark Jankowski... lets see how that all works out.

 

As far as Mantha, if he is there I would like him but I think if we did trade 16/52 for 22/28, then at 22 we take Ryan Hartman and at 28 Santini.

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Yeah....I hate getting specific, but just need to sort out relative value.

 

The only way Vanek stays is if Darcy tells him he has a plan to get him some help. You can't mortgage the future knowing you aren't a top condender for a few years, but the likes of Iginla and LaCavalier would come for pretty much free, except the cap hit. If it is a true suffer situation....just deal them for picks, and I agree, between the 2 of them you probably net 2 mid 1sts and a prospect or so. But in case Vanek does stay, just maybe we can ice a team that can make the playoffs....still use all the picks in a deep draft if not add 1 more, and give the kids some guidance for when they are ready to take over 3-4 years down the line.

 

That was the problem in '06.....Darcy had the same plan, except the torch was passed to Roy, Connolly, Stafford and Pominville........here you could have guys like Iginla, Ott, Vinny and Vanek prepare guys like Girgensons, Foligno, Horvat and Lazar......that is a HUGE difference. Hopefully after 7 years, Darcy has learned his lesson. The plan itself was fine...you just can't hand over the torch to a bunch of nincompoops.

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I'd offer Feaster 16+52 for 22+28 otherwise we are moving back 6 to move up 10. Calgary is moving up 6 to move back 10. It is in their favor by a lot. Last year we traded 21+42 to get to 14. That doesn't include Calgary trading us anything other than the 1 pick.

 

Oddly if you look at the 2012 Draft we got Zemgus Girgensons and Jake McCabe via Calgary trades. Calgary got Patrik Sieloff and Mark Jankowski... lets see how that all works out.

 

As far as Mantha, if he is there I would like him but I think if we did trade 16/52 for 22/28, then at 22 we take Ryan Hartman and at 28 Santini.

 

I disagree with the part about 16 + 52. Maybe we'd do like 16 + 52 and Adam for 22/28. And I would also LOVE Hartman. Not a big fan of Santini.

 

I'd give Vanek and 52 to Washington for Tom Wilson, Marcus Johansson and 23.

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