2013 NHL Entry Draft: Buffalo Sabres Select...

[Chief Enabler]

OK, in acceptance of Darcy's mind and the historical revelance of the most recent Grigorenko experience this year it was a disappointment to say the least. This franchise unfortunetley is in the worst state of almost ever to put politely IMO.

 

Darcy perpetually lives in the future (as he should) at the potential; when it doesnt materialize, you blame the coach for execution.

 

Now your liquidating your franchise goalie and first round franchise (Vanek). You pickup a goalie from minnesota hackett to backup Enroth. no goalie drafted in the near future.

 

Sabres need top three talent now to compete, going into 2013 season. Dump Vanek and what do you have?

 

As of free agent talent floating around, no sign of anyone who wants or can be signed in Buff.

 

Exit strategy is Sabres draft Center foremost; wing secondary, then defense..

 

Personal opinion, Sabres pair historical talent being Russian or Finnish youth moving forward for better or worse under Darcy regime (i.e Armia/Grigenko)

 

As a fan; high risk on youth; no free agent leadership besides Ott (vote for captain) on roster.

[Huckleberry]

OK, in acceptance of Darcy's mind and the historical revelance of the most recent Grigorenko experience this year it was a disappointment to say the least. This franchise unfortunetley is in the worst state of almost ever to put politely IMO.

 

Darcy perpetually lives in the future (as he should) at the potential; when it doesnt materialize, you blame the coach for execution.

 

Now your liquidating your franchise goalie and first round franchise (Vanek). You pickup a goalie from minnesota hackett to backup Enroth. no goalie drafted in the near future.

 

Sabres need top three talent now to compete, going into 2013 season. Dump Vanek and what do you have?

 

As of free agent talent floating around, no sign of anyone who wants or can be signed in Buff.

 

Exit strategy is Sabres draft Center foremost; wing secondary, then defense..

 

Personal opinion, Sabres pair historical talent being Russian or Finnish youth moving forward for better or worse under Darcy regime (i.e Armia/Grigenko)

 

As a fan; high risk on youth; no free agent leadership besides Ott (vote for captain) on roster.

 

 

Seems a bit doom and gloom, and anyone putting up nationality to compare with skills.... This post just became void to me

 

Edit: maybe not so much skill as possible outcome of any drafted player. Thx :D

[LGR4GM]

Sorry if someone posted this already, but Kris Baker published his 2013 Buffalo Sabres draft preview today:

http://www.sabrespro...ft-preview.html

 

A really interesting read, as usual. It's still completely insane to me that he called the Linus Ullmark pick in the 6th round last year.

I found this quite interesting...

"The last four years have seen the Sabres use seven of their 10 picks in the final two rounds (rounds six and seven) on players previously passed over at the draft."

 

Seems that we are targeting guys that got passed on. Not sure how this will pan out but it is clearly a strategy for them.

 

All he discusses how Calgary wants a GT and will take one most likely with 1 of their 1st round picks (Fucale at 22?) if the sabres start talking about GT at 16 maybe they can spoke Calgary and we can get 22 and 28 from them. Food for thought.

[North Buffalo]

The link I provided has a quote about where the Stafford to Edmonton trade talks have come from which have sparked talk about the Sabres potentially acquiring 7 to select a player in the draft. Your quote pertains to two teams not named the Sabres and would've been fitting in maybe the Playoffs thread or just around the NHL.

 

I was just making a note that it's off topic.

 

If no one has told you the link goes to another story...

 

I.e, check your links to make sure you aren't mssing... :P

 

I found this quite interesting...

"The last four years have seen the Sabres use seven of their 10 picks in the final two rounds (rounds six and seven) on players previously passed over at the draft."

 

Seems that we are targeting guys that got passed on. Not sure how this will pan out but it is clearly a strategy for them.

 

All he discusses how Calgary wants a GT and will take one most likely with 1 of their 1st round picks (Fucale at 22?) if the sabres start talking about GT at 16 maybe they can spoke Calgary and we can get 22 and 28 from them. Food for thought.

 

Late bloomers?

[Robviously]

Lazar will almost definitely be there at #16 if the Sabres want him.

 

If the Sabres are never going to be able to land a generational talent like Sydney Crosby, I don't think it'd be a bad strategy to build an entire team of super gritty, hard-working guys like Girgensons and then sprinkle in some skill like Grigorenko and Armia. That's basically what we did in the late 90s and early 2000s, and what Boston is doing now. Maybe Lazar fits that mold?

I was probably optimistic when I said this yesterday. There are a few mock drafts (or prospect rankings) that have Lazar listed higher than #16. So while there's a pretty good chance he'll be there for us at #16, I don't think he "definitely" will be.

 

WGR is talking about Carolina wanting to trade out of the #5 spot for a "top four defenseman." They also brought up how the Hurricanes really liked Grigorenko last year. If we're talking about a trade for #5 with Grigorenko as the centerpiece of the deal, I'm definitely interested.

[LGR4GM]

Late bloomers?

Could be the thinking. Maybe they saw something in these guys. If done right, it could be a clever strategy.

 

 

Interesting in the Sabres Prospect article was this guy: William Carrier. Sounds like he played for a garbage team but also of concern is his clear need for a good center. That being said we have a plethora of potentially good centers right now and if he was available at 52 he might be a good sleeper. From what I have seen in his videos he works hard down low, is physical, skates well, good shot, and perfect size. Also I like his speed and how he uses it.

http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/05/26/william-carrier-2013-nhl-draft-prospect-profile-45/

[Robviously]

I found this quite interesting...

"The last four years have seen the Sabres use seven of their 10 picks in the final two rounds (rounds six and seven) on players previously passed over at the draft."

 

Seems that we are targeting guys that got passed on. Not sure how this will pan out but it is clearly a strategy for them.

 

All he discusses how Calgary wants a GT and will take one most likely with 1 of their 1st round picks (Fucale at 22?) if the sabres start talking about GT at 16 maybe they can spoke Calgary and we can get 22 and 28 from them. Food for thought.

If it's the 6th and 7th rounds, why not? We're basically just looking for grinders at that point anyway.

[dudacek]

I've decided Lindholm's our guy and I would be angling to trade 8 and 16 to Calgary for 6 and 23.

[North Buffalo]

Could be the thinking. Maybe they saw something in these guys. If done right, it could be a clever strategy.

 

 

Interesting in the Sabres Prospect article was this guy: William Carrier. Sounds like he played for a garbage team but also of concern is his clear need for a good center. That being said we have a plethora of potentially good centers right now and if he was available at 52 he might be a good sleeper. From what I have seen in his videos he works hard down low, is physical, skates well, good shot, and perfect size. Also I like his speed and how he uses it.

http://lastwordonspo...ect-profile-45/

Agreed. I read that too and thought poor man's Vanek with a little more toughness. Good idea especially if the Sabres trade Vanek.

 

If it's the 6th and 7th rounds, why not? We're basically just looking for grinders at that point anyway.

 

Or unnoticed talented High Schoolers...

[26CornerBlitz]

I've decided Lindholm's our guy and I would be angling to trade 8 and 16 to Calgary for 6 and 23.

 

Calgary actually has 16 and 22. If the Sabres want Lindholm they better get Carolina's pick at 5, because Calgary will take Lindholm if he's there.

[LGR4GM]

Calgary actually has 16 and 22. If the Sabres want Lindholm they better get Carolina's pick at 5, because Calgary will take Lindholm if he's there.

Unless they are in love with Monahan.

 

If Carolina really wants a top 4 defender, we have a couple we could trade. Sekera is the first name that comes to mind. Either way from what I have read the draft is deep in defense throughout the 1st and 2nd round. We could make a trade and take Lindholm at 5 and another forward at 16 and then restock any defense we loss in that potential trade in round 2. Santini could be there at 38 and I am unfamiliar with the other late defenders outside of a guy like Micro Mueller.

[Robviously]

Unless they are in love with Monahan.

 

If Carolina really wants a top 4 defender, we have a couple we could trade. Sekera is the first name that comes to mind. Either way from what I have read the draft is deep in defense throughout the 1st and 2nd round. We could make a trade and take Lindholm at 5 and another forward at 16 and then restock any defense we loss in that potential trade in round 2. Santini could be there at 38 and I am unfamiliar with the other late defenders outside of a guy like Micro Mueller.

Sekera is the first one that comes to mind, but why not Ehrhoff? He'd be super desirable to the Canes based on his low cost and his small cap hit. He's definitely top four and he'd do a ton for them immediately. It would suck to lose him since we paid him a ton up front and since our defense already sucks now, but we should be willing to go nuts if it's about landing the right guy in the draft this year. This is exactly the right time to be bold.

 

If they want someone younger, we have Pysyk, McCabe, and McNabb. And Myers.

[LGR4GM]

Sekera is the first one that comes to mind, but why not Ehrhoff? He'd be super desirable to the Canes based on his low cost and his small cap hit. He's definitely top four and he'd do a ton for them immediately. It would suck to lose him since we paid him a ton up front and since our defense already sucks now, but we should be willing to go nuts if it's about landing the right guy in the draft this year. This is exactly the right time to be bold.

 

If they want someone younger, we have Pysyk, McCabe, and McNabb. And Myers.

I wouldn't trade McCabe for the 5th overall, something in my gut tells me not to.

 

As for the other stuff, it is possible but usually with these deals they happen and we are shocked by how much or how little it takes. I think that Carolina is hoping Jones drops to 5 which is possible. If he doesn't than they will be willing to trade down if they really want defense. It is an interesting conundrum either way and will be a draft day deal.

[Robviously]

I wouldn't trade McCabe for the 5th overall, something in my gut tells me not to.

 

As for the other stuff, it is possible but usually with these deals they happen and we are shocked by how much or how little it takes. I think that Carolina is hoping Jones drops to 5 which is possible. If he doesn't than they will be willing to trade down if they really want defense. It is an interesting conundrum either way and will be a draft day deal.

If we're talking about a straight up trade, there isn't one player in our organization that I wouldn't trade for the 5th overall pick this year. The only one I'd hesitate to deal is Girgensons based on the strong early returns and the fact that we really haven't had a guy like that in a long time.

[LGR4GM]

If we're talking about a straight up trade, there isn't one player in our organization that I wouldn't trade for the 5th overall pick this year. The only one I'd hesitate to deal is Girgensons based on the strong early returns and the fact that we really haven't had a guy like that in a long time.

O no if it was straight up McCabe for 5th I would but I meant in a package with other picks/players

[LaFontaineToMogilny]

 

No, because it would be one of the worst blunders in Sabres history and something that IMPO would put darcy in the "FIRE NOW" category permanently. You dont draft a ###### goaltender in the top 10. If the Sabres are that stupid considering how many goalie propsects they have not to mention Miller still on the team and under contract than dear god we will never win a cup, ever.

 

FUCALE @ 8 IS THE WORST POSSIBLE IDEA AND SCENARIO.

 

 

I think you will find if you go back that my post was a direct reply to someone saying they found it hard to imagine how someone could be disappointed if we picked guy A and not guy B, then I suggested a possible scenario that should make it easy to imagine how picking a certain player could indeed be very disappointing.

 

I know it's almost in necrobumping territory to bring this back up days later, but I don't want it stuck to my name that I somehow have advocated drafting Zachary Fucale 8th overall.

[DHawerchuk10]

I found this quite interesting...

"The last four years have seen the Sabres use seven of their 10 picks in the final two rounds (rounds six and seven) on players previously passed over at the draft."

 

Seems that we are targeting guys that got passed on. Not sure how this will pan out but it is clearly a strategy for them.

 

All he discusses how Calgary wants a GT and will take one most likely with 1 of their 1st round picks (Fucale at 22?) if the sabres start talking about GT at 16 maybe they can spoke Calgary and we can get 22 and 28 from them. Food for thought.

 

The whole Calgary trade thing is very interesting. Gives us a better chance to select Lindholm, and doesn't compromise our mid range pick that much. One would think Calgary wants Monahan though, and not sure they risk losing him, especially to Edmonton. Mind reading and conjecture at its finest.

 

I wouldn't trade McCabe for the 5th overall, something in my gut tells me not to.

 

As for the other stuff, it is possible but usually with these deals they happen and we are shocked by how much or how little it takes. I think that Carolina is hoping Jones drops to 5 which is possible. If he doesn't than they will be willing to trade down if they really want defense. It is an interesting conundrum either way and will be a draft day deal.

 

How about, if by some miracle, Barkov fell to 5? I think Carolina could select anybody on our roster, plus our 8th if that happened.

[Derrico]

Unless they are in love with Monahan.

 

If Carolina really wants a top 4 defender, we have a couple we could trade. Sekera is the first name that comes to mind. Either way from what I have read the draft is deep in defense throughout the 1st and 2nd round. We could make a trade and take Lindholm at 5 and another forward at 16 and then restock any defense we loss in that potential trade in round 2. Santini could be there at 38 and I am unfamiliar with the other late defenders outside of a guy like Micro Mueller.

 

Santini will not be there at 38. I agree with the rest.

[rakish]

Regarding statements upthread. Yes, the overage player is a good pick. High Schoolers outside the first round are not.

[Hoss]

Calgary actually has 16 and 22. If the Sabres want Lindholm they better get Carolina's pick at 5, because Calgary will take Lindholm if he's there.

 

6 + 22 you mean, I assume?

[26CornerBlitz]

6 + 22 you mean, I assume?

 

Yep...exactly what I meant. :oops:

[Hoss]

Yep...exactly what I meant. :oops:

 

Trade of 8 + 16 for 6 + could be something that works for sure. But we'd probably have to give something a little extra. Maybe 8 + 16 and a mid-level prospect (Adam, Leduc, Tropp, Nelson).

[26CornerBlitz]

Trade of 8 + 16 for 6 + could be something that works for sure. But we'd probably have to give something a little extra. Maybe 8 + 16 and a mid-level prospect (Adam, Leduc, Tropp, Nelson).

 

My point was that if the player the Flames want is there at 6, there is no deal to be made. That's why I said they may have to get ahead of Calgary at 5.

[Hoss]

My brain tells me that one of Vanek and Miller will be traded at the draft or leading up to the draft.

 

But my gut tells me that both of them will (unhappily) be on the roster to start the season and the only real deals we'll see are Stafford heading elsewhere and a move up in the draft somewhere.

[HopefulFuture]

My brain tells me that one of Vanek and Miller will be traded at the draft or leading up to the draft.

 

But my gut tells me that both of them will (unhappily) be on the roster to start the season and the only real deals we'll see are Stafford heading elsewhere and a move up in the draft somewhere.

 

(Time for a quick DR bashing)

 

No trades for the draft since DR is still on post season holiday..............