2013 NHL Entry Draft: Buffalo Sabres Select...

[darksabre]

 

 

I can't do it. From where I sit, Myers is not tradable,

He just has too much upside to give up for anything other than a young impact player.

And he has too many question marks for another team to pay that price.

 

That's what is so intriguing! On one hand we shouldn't trade him because of his potential. But on the other hand maybe he doesn't pan out but another team thinks he will and offers a really good deal for him? It's a straight coin flip for both parties right now! Which could lead to interesting outcomes.

[Koomkie]

 

 

I can't do it. From where I sit, Myers is not tradable,

He just has too much upside to give up for anything other than a young impact player.

And he has too many question marks for another team to pay that price.

i agree. And as someone had said on the other page, I am just as hesitant to trade sekera but if I had to choose I keep Myers. He is just still so young and awkward... Another reason why I don't take jones with the first overall pick. D men just take so long. Plus I don't think we would trade up to take him with a RHD in ristolainen ( sp) could easy fall into our lap at 8. We are gunning for NM.

 

 

 

That's what is so intriguing! On one hand we shouldn't trade him because of his potential. But on the other hand maybe he doesn't pan out but another team thinks he will and offers a really good deal for him? It's a straight coin flip for both parties right now! Which could lead to interesting outcomes.

i think they have invested so much time and money into Myers that they would not trade him. I feel like he should not be thrust into top line minutes to give him a chance to calm down in his own end. Set him up for a win and I feel he will succeed.

 

The only way he is traded is for another player as mentioned above. Trading him for a pick would be a horrible idea

[...]

What are we basing Myers' projected ceiling on, again? I've heard and read that so much, that whenever anyone says a player has an "upside" or a "high ceiling" I shut down when it comes up. That's right, Myers took away my prospect optimism. That Calder Trophy season seems so far away, I don't even remember his play during that season.

[Hoss]

What are we basing Myers' projected ceiling on, again? I've heard and read that so much, that whenever anyone says a player has an "upside" or a "high ceiling" I shut down when it comes up. That's right, Myers took away my prospect optimism. That Calder Trophy season seems so far away, I don't even remember his play during that season.

 

My thoughts exactly. While I do get excited about a lot of young guys, Myers has tempered my expectations everywhere. I also have about zero optimism on Myers ever becoming worth that contract.

[...]

 

 

My thoughts exactly. While I do get excited about a lot of young guys, Myers has tempered my expectations everywhere. I also have about zero optimism on Myers ever becoming worth that contract.

 

See! We can play nice together.

 

Myers may be the number one reason - well, let's say the straw that broke the camel's back - on why this draft doesn't have me rapt with excitement, as others seem to be. Regier has, in my opinion, more failures than successes with the draft over the years. I would proceed with extreme caution this year and not sell the farm to move up.

 

If they had just replaced Regier, it could be very exciting.

[TrueBlueGED]

See! We can play nice together.

 

Myers may be the number one reason - well, let's say the straw that broke the camel's back - on why this draft doesn't have me rapt with excitement, as others seem to be. Regier has, in my opinion, more failures than successes with the draft over the years. I would proceed with extreme caution this year and not sell the farm to move up.

 

If they had just replaced Regier, it could be very exciting.

 

Well, from that perspective, why are you so concerned about selling the farm, since you obviously don't think they're worth much anyway? If anything your lack of faith in his drafting should make you support a move up, since the types of players at the top tend to pan out regardless of who drafts them.

[X. Benedict]

What are we basing Myers' projected ceiling on, again? I've heard and read that so much, that whenever anyone says a player has an "upside" or a "high ceiling" I shut down when it comes up. That's right, Myers took away my prospect optimism. That Calder Trophy season seems so far away, I don't even remember his play during that season.

 

Myers had a bad season. He had an ankle injury during the lockout, and came to Buffalo in poor physical condition.

As tall as he is, his game is based on skating and he wasn't skating. Once it looked like he started skating Subban broke his leg.

 

Myers is still a baby in this league - especially for defense - just 23.

(He's just 3 months older than Chad Ruhedal )

 

Myers took a big lanky stride backward this season - that however doesn't change his upside.

In some senses, I think he needed a rough season. Tyler's got to become a better professional, that starts off ice and

he has to rebuild his game from the net out. Flaws in his game are evident but fixable - teams know to close on him

when he has the puck in his skates or close to his body - he's uncomfortable there - and the whole league knows it.

 

Regier has, in my opinion, more failures than successes with the draft over the years. I would proceed with extreme caution this year and not sell the farm to move up.

 

Probably no team finds more NHL players in the draft than the Buffalo Sabres. That is what the draft is about. They draft successfully - they draft very well.

 

Having said that.....that really hasn't translated into on ice success. (trades...cough...free agency cough...waiver wire..cough cough....)

[X. Benedict]

Value of draft picks.....here's one relative worth table......

 

Pick Value

1 1000.0

2 944.4

3 894.7

4 850.0

5 809.5

6 772.7

7 739.1

8 708.3

9 680.0

10 653.8

11 629.6

12 607.1

13 586.2

14 566.7

15 548.4

16 531.3

17 515.2

18 500.0

19 485.7

20 472.2

21 459.5

22 447.4

23 435.9

24 425.0

25 414.6

26 404.8

27 395.3

28 386.4

29 377.8

30 369.6

31 361.7

32 354.2

33 346.9

34 340.0

35 333.3

36 326.9

37 320.8

38 314.8

39 309.1

40 303.6

41 298.2

42 293.1

43 288.1

44 283.3

45 278.7

46 274.2

47 269.8

48 265.6

49 261.5

50 257.6

51 253.7

52 250.0

53 246.4

54 242.9

55 239.4

56 236.1

57 232.9

58 229.7

59 226.7

60 223.7

61 220.8

62 217.9

63 215.2

64 212.5

65 209.9

66 207.3

67 204.8

68 202.4

69 200.0

70 197.7

71 195.4

72 193.2

73 191.0

74 188.9

75 186.8

76 184.8

77 182.8

78 180.9

79 178.9

80 177.1

81 175.3

82 173.5

83 171.7

84 170.0

85 168.3

86 166.7

87 165.0

88 163.5

89 161.9

90 160.4

91 158.9

92 157.4

93 156.0

94 154.5

95 153.2

96 151.8

97 150.4

98 149.1

99 147.8

100 146.6

101 145.3

102 144.1

103 142.9

104 141.7

105 140.5

106 139.3

107 138.2

108 137.1

109 136.0

110 134.9

111 133.9

112 132.8

113 131.8

114 130.8

115 129.8

116 128.8

117 127.8

118 126.9

119 125.9

120 125.0

121 124.1

122 123.2

123 122.3

124 121.4

125 120.6

126 119.7

127 118.9

128 118.1

129 117.2

130 116.4

131 115.6

132 114.9

133 114.1

134 113.3

135 112.6

136 111.8

137 111.1

138 110.4

139 109.7

140 109.0

141 108.3

142 107.6

143 106.9

144 106.3

145 105.6

146 104.9

147 104.3

148 103.7

149 103.0

150 102.4

151 101.8

152 101.2

153 100.6

154 100.0

155 99.4

156 98.8

157 98.3

158 97.7

159 97.1

160 96.6

161 96.0

162 95.5

163 95.0

164 94.4

165 93.9

166 93.4

167 92.9

168 92.4

169 91.9

170 91.4

171 90.9

172 90.4

173 89.9

174 89.5

175 89.0

176 88.5

177 88.1

178 87.6

179 87.2

180 86.7

181 86.3

182 85.9

183 85.4

184 85.0

185 84.6

186 84.2

187 83.7

188 83.3

189 82.9

190 82.5

191 82.1

192 81.7

193 81.3

194 81.0

195 80.6

196 80.2

197 79.8

198 79.4

199 79.1

200 78.7

201 78.3

202 78.0

203 77.6

204 77.3

205 76.9

206 76.6

207 76.2

208 75.9

209 75.6

210 75.2

[sicknfla]

Ok, some of you are starting to worry me. Golfing, fishing, bbq'ing, watching porn -yes. Mowing the yard, washing the car - maybe, listing all 210 picks and their value - absolutely not!!! What are some of you going to do July 1!!

[rakish]

Myers had a bad season. He had an ankle injury during the lockout, and came to Buffalo in poor physical condition.

As tall as he is, his game is based on skating and he wasn't skating. Once it looked like he started skating Subban broke his leg.

 

Myers is still a baby in this league - especially for defense - just 23.

(He's just 3 months older than Chad Ruhedal )

 

Myers took a big lanky stride backward this season - that however doesn't change his upside.

In some senses, I think he needed a rough season. Tyler's got to become a better professional, that starts off ice and

he has to rebuild his game from the net out. Flaws in his game are evident but fixable - teams know to close on him

when he has the puck in his skates or close to his body - he's uncomfortable there - and the whole league knows it.

 

 

Probably no team finds more NHL players in the draft than the Buffalo Sabres. That is what the draft is about. They draft successfully - they draft very well.

 

Having said that.....that really hasn't translated into on ice success. (trades...cough...free agency cough...waiver wire..cough cough....)

 

One of my complaints is that the Sabres play Myers when he's not ready to play. The two charts attached are his plus/minus on a game by game basis (the green line) vs the Sabres team points - games played (blue line). Looking at the 2011-2012 chart, it looks to me like Myers has hurt game 12, played really poorly for 8 games, sat out 20 games, played really poorly for 10 more games, then played really well. This season, as X says, most of his bad play was the first couple weeks, when he was out of shape after the injury in Europe.

 

Some players graphs match the team line, the Sabres play very well when Myers plays very well. Vanek's chart doesn't line up so much.

[...]

 

 

Well, from that perspective, why are you so concerned about selling the farm, since you obviously don't think they're worth much anyway? If anything your lack of faith in his drafting should make you support a move up, since the types of players at the top tend to pan out regardless of who drafts them.

 

Because selling the farm would mean having no assets left to help manage the mistakes. I mean, I would still like a somewhat capable team on the ice next season.

 

Also, I don't buy into the idea that the top 3 or 4 are sure-shot game-changers for the Sabres. Any one (or more) of them could easily perform under expectations. It only makes sense to spread out your opportunities among the pool of potential rather than making a big gamble on one pick.

 

This stuff has been hashed out multiple times this thread in different terms and language...at least after the first we'll have some new data to toss around.

 

[LGR4GM]

Because selling the farm would mean having no assets left to help manage the mistakes. I mean, I would still like a somewhat capable team on the ice next season.

 

Also, I don't buy into the idea that the top 3 or 4 are sure-shot game-changers for the Sabres. Any one (or more) of them could easily perform under expectations. It only makes sense to spread out your opportunities among the pool of potential rather than making a big gamble on one pick.

SO then we should trade back from 8 with someone like Columbus and get more first round picks then right? That seems to be the gist of what you are saying.

[That Aud Smell]

Value of draft picks.....here's one relative worth table......

 

Pick Value

1 1000.0

 

Maybe you posted it elsewhere, but that broadstreet blog one that you posted in another thread was, to me, a

really good one.

 

Pick Value

1 100

2 69.9

3 59.4

4 53.4

5 49.2

6 45.9

7 43.1

8 40.6

9 38.5

10 36.5

12 32.9

14 29.8

16 27.1

18 24.6

20 22.4

23 19.5

26 17.0

30 14.2

35 11.3

40 9.0

45 7.2

50 5.8

55 4.7

60 3.8

70 2.5

80 1.6

90 1.1

105 0.64

120 0.40

135 0.27

150 0.19

165 0.15

180 0.13

195 0.11

210 0.10

 

 

What I think that table rightly reflects is that you might not get the #1 overall, in most years (this year may be an exception), by offering up #5 and #6.

[SabresBillsFan]

Well Pegula stating he wants to keep Miller and Vanek. This should be interesting. I say still move Miller get what you can for him. You have a few goalie's already in the pipeline. One thing I can't understand with people is if this is such a deep draft like 2003 you would want to keep all your picks or move vet's to acquire more. Plus why spend all this extra money on scouting and doubling the scouting department only to throw all these picks away for one or two players. I just don't see us moving up from 8 to 1 without way overpaying. If MacKinnon or Barkov are your targets I think Barkov might be the easier one to acquire without having to trade up to number 1 or 2. I would love to see Buffalo move both seconds and one of next years second rounders to acquire another 1st rounder this year. Why not restock the pipeline this year is this is a deep draft. 3 1st rounders would be a great start to retooling/rebuilding or whatever they want to call it. I would love to see Buffalo move Miller and someone try to acquire Philly's 1st rounder or Phoenix's 1st rounder. That way they have pick 8, 11 or 12 and 16. That would be huge to have 3 players in the top 16.

I still think MacKinnon gets picked 1st overall and possibly Drouin 2nd to Florida. I don't believe Seth Jones get's picked 1st overall. I would rather take a scoring forward over a defenseman any day. Not saying Jones is bad but most teams need offense and to me it seems that defenseman are easier to acquire than drafting a defenseman so high.

[26CornerBlitz]

Well Pegula stating he wants to keep Miller and Vanek. This should be interesting. I say still move Miller get what you can for him. You have a few goalie's already in the pipeline. One thing I can't understand with people is if this is such a deep draft like 2003 you would want to keep all your picks or move vet's to acquire more. Plus why spend all this extra money on scouting and doubling the scouting department only to throw all these picks away for one or two players. I just don't see us moving up from 8 to 1 without way overpaying. If MacKinnon or Barkov are your targets I think Barkov might be the easier one to acquire without having to trade up to number 1 or 2. I would love to see Buffalo move both seconds and one of next years second rounders to acquire another 1st rounder this year. Why not restock the pipeline this year is this is a deep draft. 3 1st rounders would be a great start to retooling/rebuilding or whatever they want to call it. I would love to see Buffalo move Miller and someone try to acquire Philly's 1st rounder or Phoenix's 1st rounder. That way they have pick 8, 11 or 12 and 16. That would be huge to have 3 players in the top 16.

I still think MacKinnon gets picked 1st overall and possibly Drouin 2nd to Florida. I don't believe Seth Jones get's picked 1st overall. I would rather take a scoring forward over a defenseman any day. Not saying Jones is bad but most teams need offense and to me it seems that defenseman are easier to acquire than drafting a defenseman so high.

 

What about the Bruins model with the D and two-way Forwards as the core of the team?

[SabresBillsFan]

What about the Bruins model with the D and two-way Forwards as the core of the team?

 

Boston's model is a darn good one as well. But if you look at those d-man I don't think most of the them were drafted high. Plus alot of those forwards are solid two way players. It's going to be an interesting draft. If Calgary offered all 3 first rounders for 1st overall and Colorado declined that's a pretty big offer. I think Colorado might have pulled the trigger if they Calgary didn't have 2 1st rounders in the mid 20's.

[LabattBlue]

Boston's model is a darn good one as well. But if you look at those d-man I don't think most of the them were drafted high. Plus alot of those forwards are solid two way players. It's going to be an interesting draft. If Calgary offered all 3 first rounders for 1st overall and Colorado declined that's a pretty big offer. I think Colorado might have pulled the trigger if they Calgary didn't have 2 1st rounders in the mid 20's.

Does Boston even have a player who would be consister a 1st line forward. I have been thinking about the Sabres staying with the picks they have, and just building around guys you would consider top 6. If they end up with 6 "2nd line forwards" is that really that bad. Who cares if they don't have the next superstar as a number #1 center as long as they have 6 solid guys in the top 6 forwards.

[26CornerBlitz]

Does Boston even have a player who would be consister a 1st line forward. I have been thinking about the Sabres staying with the picks they have, and just building around guys you would consider top 6. If they end up with 6 "2nd line forwards" is that really that bad. Who cares if they don't have the next superstar as a number #1 center as long as they have 6 solid guys in the top 6 forwards.

 

Exactly to the point of being overly enamored with the latest shiny new toys on the market.

 

Very interesting TSN Draft related Videos: http://video.tsn.ca/...948846/clip/228

 

http://video.tsn.ca/...0/948880/clip/0

[That Aud Smell]

Does Boston even have a player who would be consister a 1st line forward.

 

a good question. going purely off of basic stats (G+A=P), the answer is "no." looks like they have a bunch of guys who are top-6 forwards who play well together and play hard both ways. they don't have anyone who topped 70 points last year or this year (with this year's numbers adjusted to 82 games) -- no one who placed in the top-40 in scoring this year and only one player who did so last year (seguin who tallied 67 points (the top-40 cut off at 65 points)).

[LGR4GM]

1. 
    
    
   Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 8m
   Battle for Knight's rights came down to CGY and EDM. The High River, Alta., native opted for the Flames over the Oilers. Plays centre.
    
   Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 12m
   
2. 
    
    
   Not clear yet whether Corban Knight becomes UFA on July 1st or 5th but won't matter - agreed to terms on 2-yr entry level deal with CGY.
   

In short the Calgary Flames have acquired a decent young center who should be somewhere btw a 2/3 guy may become a strong 2. Not sure if this changes their plans much going into 2013 draft but something to consider. They still need a host of players.

[TrueBlueGED]

Does Boston even have a player who would be consister a 1st line forward. I have been thinking about the Sabres staying with the picks they have, and just building around guys you would consider top 6. If they end up with 6 "2nd line forwards" is that really that bad. Who cares if they don't have the next superstar as a number #1 center as long as they have 6 solid guys in the top 6 forwards.

 

I think the key is if you're going with the "depth" top-6 strategy, you have to have a group of players who are anywhere from defensively responsible to elite. The Sabres problem currently, if they were to go this route, is all of their current top-6 players are offensive specialists and defensive liabilities. You can't have a bunch of one-dimensional players controlling your top-6 if they aren't of the star variety.

[LabattBlue]

I think the key is if you're going with the "depth" top-6 strategy, you have to have a group of players who are anywhere from defensively responsible to elite. The Sabres problem currently, if they were to go this route, is all of their current top-6 players are offensive specialists and defensive liabilities. You can't have a bunch of one-dimensional players controlling your top-6 if they aren't of the star variety.

Agree completely. When I used the term "solid" top 6 players, I meant good two way players.

[TrueBlueGED]

Agree completely. When I used the term "solid" top 6 players, I meant good two way players.

 

Yea, that was probably more obvious that I made it out to be when I read it. In any event, the ayes have it!

[DHawerchuk10]

What are we basing Myers' projected ceiling on, again? I've heard and read that so much, that whenever anyone says a player has an "upside" or a "high ceiling" I shut down when it comes up. That's right, Myers took away my prospect optimism. That Calder Trophy season seems so far away, I don't even remember his play during that season.

 

I am more curious as to what people think Myers "upside" or "ceiling" is actually. After his Calder season, my thoughts on him were that he would add more "grit" and defensive acumen to his game inline with somebody of his size and girth, while not loosing his offensive skills/skating ability (i.e. Shea Weber). Not only has he lost his much heralded skating skills for a big man, he has shown evidence that he will never develop into a physical force as he often loses one on one battles. This tempers his ceiling greatly in my opinion. I would put his ceiling inline with a Richard Smehlik or Henrik Tallinder quite honestly. Not bad defensemen at all, but not ones befitting his contract or perceived potential.

 

All these excuses I see thrown about, while containing a modicum of truth, are ignoring simple observation and trends. Again, I think people get excited over his size, and confuse this with some sort of "potential". I also see many folks stating he has only had one bad season, while facts dictate he has had some horrendous stretches for the greater part of 3 years.

 

He might be untradeable as others have suggested. I certainly wouldn't want to unload him for nothing, yet I am not certain a team would give us much (the ultimate sell low situation) But if a team liked him enough where we could get a high first rounder this year without coughing up our other picks, I make that trade in heart beat.

[26CornerBlitz]

Hockey’s Future 2013 Staff Mock Draft: http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/91941/hockeys-future-2013-staff-mock-draft/

 

They have the Sabres selecting Lindholm at 8 and Zadorv at 16. I personally would love that.