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2013 NHL Entry Draft: Buffalo Sabres Select...

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Jones or MacKinnon  

127 members have voted

  1. 1. Which would you draft given the 1st overall pick?

    • Seth Jones
      18
    • Nathan MacKinnon
      68
    • Jonathan Drouin
      22

  2. 2. Who do you think the Sabres should draft at #8 overall?

    • Sean Monahan
      10
    • Elias Lindholm
      7
    • Valeri Nichushkin
      10
    • Ristolainen/Nurse/Zadarov/Other defender
      0
    • Zach Fucale
      2
    • Other, please post name
      5

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LaLaLaFontaine Fourth Liner

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More like insanity. Screw that. Number 8 and 16 it is IMO. Three picks in the first round and they turn it down? Bs

 

But they have not turned down our offer yet. It seems so that we are bidding more.

 

Hopefully not too much in the end.

Sabres Fan in NS Hall of Famer

Sabres Fan in NS

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Did a profile on Drouin http://sabresoftomor...ospect-profile/

 

 

 

Tough to write about these guys we likely won't have a crack at :'(

 

 

It's especially said thinking about how there's a strong chance that both Drouin and MacKinnon will be in our division.

 

Another good job ... :thumbsup:

 

Drouin was also named CHL Player of the Year at the end of last season.

 

And, if I am not mistaken, he was MVP of the Q playoffs last season.

 

I want DR to figure out a way to draft both MacKinnon and Drouin. Then trade Miller to Detroit for Marty Frk. The Sabres would have the CHL top line from last year.

 

Draft Fucale ( ;) ) and the rebuild will be complete.

TrueBlueGED Hall of Famer

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Flames offered 6, 22 & 28th overall for Avs #1 pick.

 

I wonder how much of that rejection was "yea that's not even close to what we're looking for" versus "hey Feaster remember when you gave O'Reilly an offer sheet with a year 2 salary of $6.5MM? Well we do."

 

I'd guess it's much more the former, but interesting to think about.

LabattBlue All Star

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But they have not turned down our offer yet. It seems so that we are bidding more.

Who said the Sabres have made an offer? All we have heard is that the Sabres have had "discussions" with the Avs. I'm not even sure it was reported that the discussions were in regards to the #1 overall pick.

dudacek Hall of Famer

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With all the talk of blowing up the organization to move up, it interesting to see how little it took in the past.

Vogl has an article on the front page of the site- basically a second rounder can get it done if your first is high enough to start with. The key is how closely teams have players ranked.

Looks like if we could get to 4, than we should have what it takes to get to 2, based on how Tallon seems to stack the board.

TrueBlueGED Hall of Famer

TrueBlueGED

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With all the talk of blowing up the organization to move up, it interesting to see how little it took in the past.

Vogl has an article on the front page of the site- basically a second rounder can get it done if your first is high enough to start with. The key is how closely teams have players ranked.

Looks like if we could get to 4, than we should have what it takes to get to 2, based on how Tallon seems to stack the board.

 

IMO the previous light cost reflects two things. One, the difference in value of cheap high performance assets pre-cap versus post-cap. Two, how much more certain the development has been for recent top picks compared to 10+ years ago.

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IMO the previous light cost reflects two things. One, the difference in value of cheap high performance assets pre-cap versus post-cap. Two, how much more certain the development has been for recent top picks compared to 10+ years ago.

 

I'd say the first part is probably true. That said, the value of a lower first-rounder has also probably risen accordingly.

As for the second part, I'm not sure that's true overall, but it was probably true the years those trades were made.

I look at it this way: if you rate Barkov, MacKinnon and Drouin as relatively equal, of course you'd take a second rounder to drop a spot or two. Why wouldn't you? But you'd also be pushing hard to see how much more than that teams would be willing to pay.

deluca67 All Star

deluca67

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Flames offered 6, 22 & 28th overall for Avs #1 pick.

More like insanity. Screw that. Number 8 and 16 it is IMO. Three picks in the first round and they turn it down? Bs

I'd give Calgary the 8th pick for their 22nd, 28th and a second (if the Flames could pick one up in the top ten.). 6 picks between #16 and #52 can bring in some serious talent. Calgary can use the #6 & #8 to move.

HopefulFuture Third Liner

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I'd give Calgary the 8th pick for their 22nd, 28th and a second (if the Flames could pick one up in the top ten.). 6 picks between #16 and #52 can bring in some serious talent. Calgary can use the #6 & #8 to move.

 

This makes very little sense given the overwhelming analysis from hockey guru's across all spectrum's (coaches, GM's, scouts, pundits) completely agree that outside of the 5 to 15 range the "potential" in talent drops off very significantly. Quantity does not equal quality.

deluca67 All Star

deluca67

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This makes very little sense given the overwhelming analysis from hockey guru's across all spectrum's (coaches, GM's, scouts, pundits) completely agree that outside of the 5 to 15 range the "potential" in talent drops off very significantly. Quantity does not equal quality.

I've been looking at many different mock drafts and there will be talent to be had at #16, #22 and #28. Add that to the possibility of having three 2nd round picks? You get quantity and quality. Potentially the Sabres could come out of the 1st round with Erne, Gauthier and Rychel, that's a pretty solid get for a franchise looking to rebuild. With some luck Fucale falls a bit to the second round. It's about building a foundation.

HopefulFuture Third Liner

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I've been looking at many different mock drafts and there will be talent to be had at #16, #22 and #28. Add that to the possibility of having three 2nd round picks? You get quantity and quality. Potentially the Sabres could come out of the 1st round with Erne, Gauthier and Rychel, that's a pretty solid get for a franchise looking to rebuild. With some luck Fucale falls a bit to the second round. It's about building a foundation.

 

We have a foundation already place.

Players that are only now reaching the NHL or about to plus the youth in place from the past 2 to 3 seasons or so.

I'll amiably agree to disagree with you on this one, now is the time to grab a couple of franchise players, and we have the ammunition to do it.

TrueBlueGED Hall of Famer

TrueBlueGED

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I've been looking at many different mock drafts and there will be talent to be had at #16, #22 and #28. Add that to the possibility of having three 2nd round picks? You get quantity and quality. Potentially the Sabres could come out of the 1st round with Erne, Gauthier and Rychel, that's a pretty solid get for a franchise looking to rebuild. With some luck Fucale falls a bit to the second round. It's about building a foundation.

 

If we go from the potential to land one of Lindolm/Monahan/Ristolainen and walk away with any of those three you mentioned, that would be an absolute travesty and do nothing but prolong the rebuild.

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I've been looking at many different mock drafts and there will be talent to be had at #16, #22 and #28. Add that to the possibility of having three 2nd round picks? You get quantity and quality. Potentially the Sabres could come out of the 1st round with Erne, Gauthier and Rychel, that's a pretty solid get for a franchise looking to rebuild. With some luck Fucale falls a bit to the second round. It's about building a foundation.

Good Lord. Erne and Gauthier are Quebec League stars. Since Pierre Turgeon, the Sabres have drafted exactly ONE good player from that league -- and it was Jason Pominville, the guy a lot of our fans hated for not throwing hits or leading us anywhere after Black Sunday. I'm not sure I want to build our franchise around the second tier prospects from a league that, at best, our scouts don't understand.

 

As for Rychel, it's unclear if his skating will ever be NHL quality. Not a bad late first rounder but not someone you want to build your franchise around.

If we go from the potential to land one of Lindolm/Monahan/Ristolainen and walk away with any of those three you mentioned, that would be an absolute travesty and do nothing but prolong the rebuild.

Agreed.

deluca67 All Star

deluca67

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We have a foundation already place.

Players that are only now reaching the NHL or about to plus the youth in place from the past 2 to 3 seasons or so.

I'll amiably agree to disagree with you on this one, now is the time to grab a couple of franchise players, and we have the ammunition to do it.

If we go from the potential to land one of Lindolm/Monahan/Ristolainen and walk away with any of those three you mentioned, that would be an absolute travesty and do nothing but prolong the rebuild.

It's too soon to swing for the fences. There is not one silver bullet among the three players mentioned. We're not talking Sidney Crosby level talent being available to the Sabres. If the Sabres stay at #8 and pick Monahan, I'd be happy with that.

 

You don't rush a rebuild. Somethings things fall in your favor and expedite the process, if that happens, Great for all of us! Otherwise stick to the old adage, measure twice and saw once. Do it right, if it takes time than it takes time. F'k it up and you just end up rebuilding again.

TrueBlueGED Hall of Famer

TrueBlueGED

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It's too soon to swing for the fences. There is not one silver bullet among the three players mentioned. We're not talking Sidney Crosby level talent being available to the Sabres. If the Sabres stay at #8 and pick Monahan, I'd be happy with that.

 

You don't rush a rebuild. Somethings things fall in your favor and expedite the process, if that happens, Great for all of us! Otherwise stick to the old adage, measure twice and saw once. Do it right, if it takes time than it takes time. F'k it up and you just end up rebuilding again.

 

As you just said, staying at #8 isn't swinging for the fences. Not wanting to put together a huge package to move up is a defensible position (one I disagree with, but I digress). Wanting to move down from #8 just to acquire a couple of mid-level prospects as opposed to one high-end prospect, on the other hand, is simply not a position which can reasonably be defended IMO. I'll say this one last time: the Sabres' problem for ages hasn't been good players...we've had plenty of good players, and we will continue to have good players. The problem has been the lack of great players, and your chance of getting a great player at #8 is significantly higher than the combined chance that one of the two in the 15-20 range end up being great players.

LGR4GM Hall of Famer

LGR4GM

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As you just said, staying at #8 isn't swinging for the fences. Not wanting to put together a huge package to move up is a defensible position (one I disagree with, but I digress). Wanting to move down from #8 just to acquire a couple of mid-level prospects as opposed to one high-end prospect, on the other hand, is simply not a position which can reasonably be defended IMO. I'll say this one last time: the Sabres' problem for ages hasn't been good players...we've had plenty of good players, and we will continue to have good players. The problem has been the lack of great players, and your chance of getting a great player at #8 is significantly higher than the combined chance that one of the two in the 15-20 range end up being great players.

Agreed on all counts. Moving down to get a couple extra picks is stupid. This team has lacked high end talent and continues to do so and getting another couple staffords isn't going to help us. If Darcy trades down he should be fired.

26CornerBlitz First Liner

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Agreed on all counts. Moving down to get a couple extra picks is stupid. This team has lacked high end talent and continues to do so and getting another couple staffords isn't going to help us. If Darcy trades down he should be fired.

 

This scenario is not under consideration. No worries.

rakish Third Liner

rakish

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I finished a few blog posts

 

Part 2 - A little more on December/January

Part 3 - Drafted From - The takeaway, US college picks heavily undervalued, OHL undervalued, US high school picks good in the first round, terrible after. WHL overvalued, US juniors overvalued, Q - overvalued.

Part 4- Centers and height. - The takeaway, the bigger the center, the less likely you find him in later rounds.

Part 5- Comparables - The takeaway - Like what everyone else says, there are 6 forwards as legitimate top 5 picks

Part 6 - Plus/Minus - Does it matter? yes, it does.

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