2013 NHL Entry Draft: Buffalo Sabres Select...

[inkman]

I am not quoting people but if I had to wager a reasonable guess as to what Roy and Sakic would want to acquire for #1 overall...

Ennis, Armia/Grirgorenko, #8, and McNabb... I think that would start the conversation and lead somewhere. It gives them at least 1 good top 6 winger, either another possible top 6 winger or top center, #8 which could be anything, and a ready top 4 Defender all of whom are under the age of 23 I believe.

 

Colorado's Lineup for 2013

Landeskog - Duchene - Armia?

Ennis - Statsny - Parenteau

McGinn - O'Reilly - Downie

Plus whoever they draft at #8 let us say Nurse/Ristolainen so that Adds McNabb (or maybe someone else) plus there draft pick to the team and like I said everyone is young. If I were Colorado I would take Ennis, Armia, #8 and McNabb for #1

 

If I am Buffalo I think that is too high a price to pay.

I can quickly see where you and I differ. Your value of Ennis is as a top 6 forward. I only see him as that on a bad team. The deal looks significantly different with my value of Ennis. The real question is what do other NHL GM's think of him.

 

 

[TrueBlueGED]

You mean all those games where McNabb was out with a knee injury? Signing Ruhwedel had very little, if anything to do with McNabb.

 

True, but that was only half the point...calling McNabb a top-4 defenseman at this point is more than a bit of a stretch.

[inkman]

Look you can insert another Defender that Colorado likes in McNabb's place but that was my guess at what it would take to get #1. Ennis 1 of our top Prospects (Grigs/Armia), #8 and a defender (whichever one) that probably starts a conversation but I would not be surprised in the least if we had to toss in #16 and honestly I wouldn't do it nor should Darcy

I'd be shocked if any team views Tyler Ennis' value as anything higher than a 2nd round pick. In your scenario, Hodgson or Foligno are the only forwards I'm interested in trading for that are on the roster.

[shrader]

True, but that was only half the point...calling McNabb a top-4 defenseman at this point is more than a bit of a stretch.

 

That I have no problem with, I just don't want to lump Ruhwedel's signing into some sort of "McNabb is a bust" line of thought.

[inkman]

If I'm Roy, I'm taking nothing less than #8, Hodgson and Armia.

[Derrico]

Look you can insert another Defender that Colorado likes in McNabb's place but that was my guess at what it would take to get #1. Ennis 1 of our top Prospects (Grigs/Armia), #8 and a defender (whichever one) that probably starts a conversation but I would not be surprised in the least if we had to toss in #16 and honestly I wouldn't do it nor should Darcy

 

I go ahead and make that trade. I would be very hesitant to toss in the 16 pick as well though as I think we can still pick up another decent player at that spot. We haven't had a legit #1 centre in years. That's what we're always clamoring for on here. Get that #1 C! Well if that's what it takes to do it than although it hurts, I would be all in.

 

I'd be shocked if any team views Tyler Ennis' value as anything higher than a 2nd round pick. In your scenario, Hodgson or Foligno are the only forwards I'm interested in trading for that are on the roster.

 

One of the only guys I really don't want traded from this roster is Hodgson. I think he will be a very good #2 centre behind MacKinnon.

[LabattBlue]

True, but that was only half the point...calling McNabb a top-4 defenseman at this point is more than a bit of a stretch.

I think the most telling thing about McNabb is that Pysyk got the call to the big club over McNabb(who was healthy at the time). I honestly did not think McNabb was all that impressive during his stint in the NHL in 11-12. He had a hit or two, and he was being called McNasty, and he is going to be great blah blah blah. Okay for his first time with the big club, but no WOW factor to the point where I'd be calling him a top 4 NHL blueliner.

[TrueBlueGED]

I think the most telling thing about McNabb is that Pysyk got the call to the big club over McNabb(who was healthy at the time). I honestly did not think McNabb was all that impressive during his stint in the NHL in 11-12. He had a hit or two, and he was being called McNasty, and he is going to be great blah blah blah. Okay for his first time with the big club, but no WOW factor to the point where I'd be calling him a top 4 NHL blueliner.

 

I think it was another example where people are so hungry for some strong physical play that they let that disproportionately influence their opinion of some players. That's my take on it anyway. I liked what I saw from McNabb, but it was a small sample, and certainly nothing so incredible as I feel comfortable assuming he's a top-4 Dman on a good team.

[X. Benedict]

If I'm Roy, I'm taking nothing less than #8, Hodgson and Armia.

 

Colorado should take nothing but a ridiculously good offer - one presumes there are all the conditions of a bidding war - take what is fair value to get a deal done, and then they should ask for more by half.

[LGR4GM]

Colorado should take nothing but a ridiculously good offer - one presumes there are all the conditions of a bidding war - take what is fair value to get a deal done, and then they should ask for more by half.

Then Hodgson, Vanek, Armia, Top Defensive Prospect and #8

[X. Benedict]

Then Hodgson, Vanek, Armia, Top Defensive Prospect and #8

That would get their attention. They aren't going to give up number one cheap.

 

That doesn't make much sense for Buffalo - but that is probably why it doesn't happen.

[LGR4GM]

That would get their attention. They aren't going to give up number one cheap.

 

That doesn't make much sense for Buffalo - but that is probably why it doesn't happen.

exactly.

[Sabres Fan in NS]

Then Hodgson, Vanek, Armia, Top Defensive Prospect and #8

 

I would trade any Sabre roster player, prospect and draft pick to get to #1, except Hodgson. He will be a great #2 behind MacKinnon at #1. I would find a way to draft Drouin, as well.

 

I know, I know ... Halifax homer.

[TrueBlueGED]

I would trade any Sabre roster player, prospect and draft pick to get to #1, except Hodgson. He will be a great #2 behind MacKinnon at #1. I would find a way to draft Drouin, as well.

 

I know, I know ... Halifax homer.

 

Well, at least you didn't mention Fucale this time :P

[Sabres Fan in NS]

Well, at least you didn't mention Fucale this time :P

 

Damn!! You're right.

 

Change my post above to read "blah, blah, blah ... and keep #8 in order to draft Fucale ... blah, blah, blah".

 

Is that better?

 

;)

[Hoss]

Here's a prospect rankings in which I gave each player an NHL comparison, and I made a line or two for each player about how they would fit in the future of the Sabres.

[TrueBlueGED]

Damn!! You're right.

 

Change my post above to read "blah, blah, blah ... and keep #8 in order to draft Fucale ... blah, blah, blah".

 

Is that better?

 

;)

 

:thumbsup:

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

So.....say the DO trade up and bring in the kid...

 

Who is left here to teach him how to be a pro? Who do you put him with to excel and not get frustrated?

 

I'd much rather they target teams like Philly at 11, or Columbus at 14....and have the 2nd teir of potential stars fall to them. If it is a no-brainer 1-2...then a jumble from 3-7, then another jumble from 8-15.....sit back and let those guys come to you.

 

Miller/Mcnabb to Philly for #11 and a 2nd?

 

Vanek to Columbus for #14?

 

At 8 there is a 80% chance you get one of the top 7 on your board.....at 11,14,16....you could very easily be taking the 8,9,10 guys on your board.

 

I'd rather bring in a crew of really good players to grow together than gamble on 1 superstar and gut some of the pipeline while having nobody to nurture the kid.

[TrueBlueGED]

So.....say the DO trade up and bring in the kid...

 

Who is left here to teach him how to be a pro? Who do you put him with to excel and not get frustrated?

 

The same guys you have to teach prospects you take at 8, 11, 14, 16 or whatever else you want to acquire. A package to get to #1 isn't using any of our vets.

 

[nobody]

Can't we get the #1 pick for Stafford? Would the Avs have to throw in a 3rd rounder also?

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

The same guys you have to teach prospects you take at 8, 11, 14, 16 or whatever else you want to acquire. A package to get to #1 isn't using any of our vets.

 

I'd much rather go the value route, keep the other young guys, then bring in a few grizzled mid-teir vets these next few years and let a "pack" develop.

 

It just seems as if you have to overpay like crazy. It's like hanging the Mona Lisa in a trailer park.

[dudacek]

Mario and Sid survived it, but I'm more inclined to go GoDD's route if moving up means gutting our prospect list.

Three or four likely first-line guys plus our current prospects, is better than one franchise player.

 

Miller and cap space for Couturier or 11 would be great in my world, if we can add something and make it Couturier and 11, so much the better.

[Sabres Fan in NS]

Mario and Sid survived it, but I'm more inclined to go GoDD's route if moving up means gutting our prospect list.

Three or four likely first-line guys plus our current prospects, is better than one franchise player.

 

Miller and cap space for Couturier or 11 would be great in my world, if we can add something and make it Couturier and 11, so much the better.

 

The Sabres have tried that route year after year and it has resulted in no cups.

 

The only time the Sabres drafted a franchise player was their first ever pick.

 

I want a chance to get another. Break the bank, I say. Get to #1 and then restock and build the team around that franchise guy.

[26CornerBlitz]

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[TrueBlueGED]

I'd much rather go the value route, keep the other young guys, then bring in a few grizzled mid-teir vets these next few years and let a "pack" develop.

 

It just seems as if you have to overpay like crazy. It's like hanging the Mona Lisa in a trailer park.

 

That's certainly one way to do it, and I'm not saying it's inherently incorrect, I'd just take a different approach. Here's my argument in a nutshell: it's easier to replenish those value players/selections than to get an elite talent in here. Let's say the hypothetical deal is Hodgson, Sekera, 8, 16. That's undoubtedly a lot to give up, so I understand the hesitation. But I think you can replenish the majority of that almost instantaneously by dealing Vanek and Miller. If Vanek returns the equivalent of what Gaborik did, and Miller can net a 1st and decent prospect, the restock of the system is almost complete PLUS you have an elite franchise cornerstone to build around.

 

Mario and Sid survived it, but I'm more inclined to go GoDD's route if moving up means gutting our prospect list.

Three or four likely first-line guys plus our current prospects, is better than one franchise player.

 

Miller and cap space for Couturier or 11 would be great in my world, if we can add something and make it Couturier and 11, so much the better.

 

Where do you get 3-4 likely first line guys? If we stand pat at 8 and 16, then proceed to add another 10-15 pick, we'll be fortunate if one of those guys turns into a legit top line player on a good team. Also, I don't think Couturier is likely to be a top line center, I just haven't seen or read about the requisite offensive skill being there.