2013 NHL Entry Draft: Buffalo Sabres Select...

[Trettioåtta]

Personally, it would NOT shock me to see TB take Barkov over Drouin at 3.

 

Drouin is Marty St Louis - he would be the perfect partner for Stamkos

[spndnchz]

Its interesting and a bit perplexing that Devine would openly admit that they've had talks. I'd prefer in a situation like this to keeps your cards facedown on the table. I haven't heard a peep from the Avs about openly shopping the pick. Suppose its in their best interest to listen to proposals.

 

Wah said in his presser they would be shopping the pick. That's pretty much "openly".

[26CornerBlitz]

Drouin is Marty St Louis - he would be the perfect partner for Stamkos

 

For me it comes down to C > W

[TrueBlueGED]

Not sure if I missed someone mentioning this or not, but I'd be surprised if no one has.

 

Barkov.

 

Nashville taking Vanek, the 16th and a prospect/pick for that 4th overall.

 

The reason I'm keen on the Sabres interest in him is the comments on Buffalo looking for Fin's to pair with Armia.

 

Barkov centering and Armia on the RW appears to be a very good fit for this scenario, no?

 

Devine came right out and said the teams at the top are looking for young players & prospects in trade talks, not our vets.

 

Who on the whole are equally ridiculous and uninformed in their opinions about what constitutes and reasonable trade scenario.

 

Thing is, I don't think they're being unreasonable...I think the demands for those top picks really are that high, which is why we haven't seen a trade made involving them in ages.

[inkman]

Who on the whole are equally ridiculous and uninformed in their opinions about what constitutes and reasonable trade scenario.

Agreed although I think their proposals are a lot closer than the garbage I see floating around here.

[HopefulFuture]

Devine came right out and said the teams at the top are looking for young players & prospects in trade talks, not our vets..

 

Yes I know, as was stated in a follow up post, I was merely spiffballing on the offer and that others on the board were surely more versed on approx. what it would take to get it done. You missed the opportunity however to comment on Barkov as a potential target given the info on the Sabres looking for Finns to pair with Armia. Thoughts on that?

 

Agreed although I think their proposals are a lot closer than the garbage I see floating around here.

 

I've noticed in recent days your criticism of fellow posters to be more non-constructive and with a "hint" of hostility. Does this project from a sense of frustration with the organization or the fan base?

After all, the organization deals in realities while a fan base has the ability to dream in their visions. Just curious.

[LGR4GM]

For me it comes down to C > W

But when you have Stamkos and Lecavalier (signed to forever) and an aging St Louis it makes sense to take a kid who can feed pucks to Stamkos for the next 10yrs or more. Drouin is better than Barkov IMPO.

[26CornerBlitz]

But when you have Stamkos and Lecavalier (signed to forever) and an aging St Louis it makes sense to take a kid who can feed pucks to Stamkos for the next 10yrs or more. Drouin is better than Barkov IMPO.

 

Vinny is no long term solution to consider regardless of remaining contract term (Buyout Candidate?) I'd rather have two young, upper echelon Centers to build my team around.

[LGR4GM]

Vinny is no long term solution to consider regardless of remaining contract term (Buyout Candidate?) I'd rather have two young, upper echelon Centers to build my team around.

Fair enough. I'd rather have a playmaker LW to feed Stamkos. Just a difference of opinion ;) .

 

That is what will make the draft interesting is NHL GM's are similar in regards to thinking of different things. A lot of what I have read indicates that Nurse and Ristolainen are being discussed in the same breath as Monahan/Lindholm but here we are so in favor of a forward we have blinders on that other teams may not be the same way. Teams like Edmonton and possibly Carolina.

[shrader]

Its interesting and a bit perplexing that Devine would openly admit that they've had talks. I'd prefer in a situation like this to keeps your cards facedown on the table. I haven't heard a peep from the Avs about openly shopping the pick. Suppose its in their best interest to listen to proposals.

 

They've mentioned just about every single possibility at this point. If you throw out a hundred different scenarios, obviously you're not saying what your actual plans are. Devine has basically turned the entire deck face up and said our card is one of those 52.

 

Just like with every other sport come draft time, its all just one big smoke screen after another.

[LGR4GM]

This is by far the WORST mock draft I have yet to see and deserves ridicule...

http://senshot.com/2013/06/11/senshot-nhl-mock-draft-pick-11-philadelphia-flyers/

Summary: We pick Max Domi at #8... at #9 NJD take Sasha Barkov... also available at #8 Elias Lindholm, Rasmus Ristolainen, and Bo Horvat.

 

It was written by some Hack for SI.com who is a flyers fan/reporter.

[LTS]

They've mentioned just about every single possibility at this point. If you throw out a hundred different scenarios, obviously you're not saying what your actual plans are. Devine has basically turned the entire deck face up and said our card is one of those 52.

 

Just like with every other sport come draft time, its all just one big smoke screen after another.

 

Exactly. Colorado is living large. They own everyone. They could afford to move back in the draft. It all depends on what people are willing to give up. If Florida has their sights on a particular player then they are going to be listening to any trade offer that comes out about Colorado. If they think a team is going to move up and take their player they need to do something about it.

 

I think this year, more than any other it might be a situation where one GM flinches and is fooled into overpaying to get into a draft spot and the owners of that draft position are going to benefit greatly.

[inkman]

I've noticed in recent days your criticism of fellow posters to be more non-constructive and with a "hint" of hostility. Does this project from a sense of frustration with the organization or the fan base?

After all, the organization deals in realities while a fan base has the ability to dream in their visions. Just curious.

Holy passive-aggressive shot across the bow batman. I feel like I've been as level headed as I've ever been but perception is reality. Any perceived frustration comes from the endless unrealistic trade proposals that are posted here hourly.

 

Did everyone see what Minnesota gave up for 1.25 seasons of Jason freaking Pominville? Two NHL ready propects with #2 center and starting goalie ceilings AND the number 16 pick plus another pick.

 

Everyone saw that right? So wouldn't it be fair to say that acquiring 8+ seasons of a guy RJ said could be the next Crosby (MacKinnen) would be significantly more than what Minny paid for Pominville? Yet everyday I see Vanek plus 16 for the first overall pick or Milller, Luke Adam, Sekera and a 2nd rounder to move into top 5. I just want a touch or reality here. You make it sound as if posters can dream up any scenario they want without other posters questioning the thinking behind it.

 

Maybe someone should start a rainbows and kittens draft thread, then all the jackholes can pontificate about their lovely draft day scenarios.

[CallawaySabres]

Bottom line is, as soon as you think it might not be a good deal for the Sabres - THAT'S where Colorado starts the talks. Grigs, Myers and #8 MIGHT get them to pick up the phone.....

[inkman]

Bottom line is, as soon as you think it might not be a good deal for the Sabres - THAT'S where Colorado starts the talks. Grigs, Myers and #8 MIGHT get them to pick up the phone.....

You mean the complete bust from last years draft and the Sabres worst defenseman plus 8? I'm only half kidding but a lot of people feel that way.

[HopefulFuture]

Holy passive-aggressive shot across the bow batman. I feel like I've been as level headed as I've ever been but perception is reality. Any perceived frustration comes from the endless unrealistic trade proposals that are posted here hourly.

 

Did everyone see what Minnesota gave up for 1.25 seasons of Jason freaking Pominville? Two NHL ready propects with #2 center and starting goalie ceilings AND the number 16 pick plus another pick.

 

Everyone saw that right? So wouldn't it be fair to say that acquiring 8+ seasons of a guy RJ said could be the next Crosby (MacKinnen) would be significantly more than what Minny paid for Pominville? Yet everyday I see Vanek plus 16 for the first overall pick or Milller, Luke Adam, Sekera and a 2nd rounder to move into top 5. I just want a touch or reality here. You make it sound as if posters can dream up any scenario they want without other posters questioning the thinking behind it.

 

Maybe someone should start a rainbows and kittens draft thread, then all the jackholes can pontificate about their lovely draft day scenarios.

No aggression was meant, I follow your posts and a few others closely as that small group appears to have some good insight is all and in recent days I've noticed your frustration in some posts.

And yes, I agree some proposals are outlandish.

[X. Benedict]

They've mentioned just about every single possibility at this point. If you throw out a hundred different scenarios, obviously you're not saying what your actual plans are. Devine has basically turned the entire deck face up and said our card is one of those 52.

 

Just like with every other sport come draft time, its all just one big smoke screen after another.

 

Beautiful analogy. :lol:

[TrueBlueGED]

Yes I know, as was stated in a follow up post, I was merely spiffballing on the offer and that others on the board were surely more versed on approx. what it would take to get it done. You missed the opportunity however to comment on Barkov as a potential target given the info on the Sabres looking for Finns to pair with Armia. Thoughts on that?

 

Barkov could be from New Zealand and I'd still want to find a way to draft him based on his abilities. I honestly don't put anything into the countrymen and chemistry aspect. I might care about past chemistry between players if Armia were a proven NHL player, but he's still just a prospect, so it really wouldn't influence my judgment.

 

Bottom line is, as soon as you think it might not be a good deal for the Sabres - THAT'S where Colorado starts the talks. Grigs, Myers and #8 MIGHT get them to pick up the phone.....

 

This is basically where I'm at. Too many people put together something and say "I'd do that" with seemingly little or no thought into why the other team would do it. If some of these proposals we've seen were realistic, I'd imagine we'd have seen similar trades more than zero times in the past decade. I firmly believe no team would move out of the top-3 for anything short of "significant overpayment", and simultaneously, no GM is willing to significantly overpay for one player. Hence, never see it happen. IMO there are no "reasonable" trades to get to #1, because the price of getting there is inherently unreasonable.

[HopefulFuture]

Barkov could be from New Zealand and I'd still want to find a way to draft him based on his abilities. I honestly don't put anything into the countrymen and chemistry aspect. I might care about past chemistry between players if Armia were a proven NHL player, but he's still just a prospect, so it really wouldn't influence my judgment.

 

Well said.

Considering what is in the current Sabres pipeline to replenish the ranks I find myself truly believing Armia will be in the line up next season here in Buffalo. With that opinion given combined with the "looking for Finns to pair with Armia" comment, it just naturally seemed a plausible idea come this draft is all given Barkov's Finnish background and talent level.

[dudacek]

 

Maybe someone should start a rainbows and kittens draft thread, then all the jackholes can pontificate about their lovely draft day scenarios.

 

That's what I thought this thread was for ;-)

 

There will always be the ridiculous Stafford and a 2nd proposals, but a lot of the other trades come across as ridiculous simply because of perception of the player involved.

 

It's well-established on here that Ryan Miller is somewhere between an aging, overpaid average goalie who had one good season, and one of just a handful of proven elite goalies in the world. Is Tyler Myers a franchise defenceman who had a bad year, or one of the leagues worst contracts? Is Drew Stafford a potential 30-goal scorer, or on his way out of hockey?

 

Then there is the changing landscape of the league.

I remember when we traded Mogilny and I was furious with the return - a 50 goal scorer for three unproven kids? WTF?

Yet that became something of a standard in the haves and have-nots salary dump era.

 

Fact is, we don't know what GMs are thinking. We don't know what value they put on particular players and what pressures they face to balance their budgets. The only insight we get comes from comparable trades. And there have yet to be many trades in this two-free buyout, reduced-cap era.

 

And some of us find it fun to speculate.

[LGR4GM]

I am not quoting people but if I had to wager a reasonable guess as to what Roy and Sakic would want to acquire for #1 overall...

Ennis, Armia/Grirgorenko, #8, and McNabb... I think that would start the conversation and lead somewhere. It gives them at least 1 good top 6 winger, either another possible top 6 winger or top center, #8 which could be anything, and a ready top 4 Defender all of whom are under the age of 23 I believe.

 

Colorado's Lineup for 2013

Landeskog - Duchene - Armia?

Ennis - Statsny - Parenteau

McGinn - O'Reilly - Downie

Plus whoever they draft at #8 let us say Nurse/Ristolainen so that Adds McNabb (or maybe someone else) plus there draft pick to the team and like I said everyone is young. If I were Colorado I would take Ennis, Armia, #8 and McNabb for #1

 

If I am Buffalo I think that is too high a price to pay.

[drnkirishone]

I am not quoting people but if I had to wager a reasonable guess as to what Roy and Sakic would want to acquire for #1 overall...

Ennis, Armia/Grirgorenko, #8, and McNabb... I think that would start the conversation and lead somewhere. It gives them at least 1 good top 6 winger, either another possible top 6 winger or top center, #8 which could be anything, and a ready top 4 Defender all of whom are under the age of 23 I believe.

 

Colorado's Lineup for 2013

Landeskog - Duchene - Armia?

Ennis - Statsny - Parenteau

McGinn - O'Reilly - Downie

Plus whoever they draft at #8 let us say Nurse/Ristolainen so that Adds McNabb (or maybe someone else) plus there draft pick to the team and like I said everyone is young. If I were Colorado I would take Ennis, Armia, #8 and McNabb for #1

 

If I am Buffalo I think that is too high a price to pay.

to say mcnabb is a top 4 nhl D is almost equal to saying stafford is a allstar. Mcnabb is so good we signed a college graduate to play games instead of him. Thats not to say mcnabb wont be on the opening roster. But my guess is he is 6 or 7 on the depth chart and thats on a team that is gonna "suffer" this coming season

[shrader]

to say mcnabb is a top 4 nhl D is almost equal to saying stafford is a allstar. Mcnabb is so good we signed a college graduate to play games instead of him. Thats not to say mcnabb wont be on the opening roster. But my guess is he is 6 or 7 on the depth chart and thats on a team that is gonna "suffer" this coming season

 

You mean all those games where McNabb was out with a knee injury? Signing Ruhwedel had very little, if anything to do with McNabb.

[Claude_Verret]

to say mcnabb is a top 4 nhl D is almost equal to saying stafford is a allstar. Mcnabb is so good we signed a college graduate to play games instead of him. Thats not to say mcnabb wont be on the opening roster. But my guess is he is 6 or 7 on the depth chart and thats on a team that is gonna "suffer" this coming season

 

If I recall that's exactly how we lured Ruhwedel here, by promising him playing time right away in the NHL. Other teams that were in contention were not offering that.

[LGR4GM]

Look you can insert another Defender that Colorado likes in McNabb's place but that was my guess at what it would take to get #1. Ennis 1 of our top Prospects (Grigs/Armia), #8 and a defender (whichever one) that probably starts a conversation but I would not be surprised in the least if we had to toss in #16 and honestly I wouldn't do it nor should Darcy