2013 NHL Entry Draft: Buffalo Sabres Select...

[That Aud Smell]

You are right. I hope you know I meant " with all due respect."

 

:lol:

 

Here is my question to add to the "trade up" conversation. If we could take 8 and 16 and get to say 5 (Carolina), in which spot we draft Monahan/Lindholm/Nichuskin ....

 

which would [you] rather have?

 

#5 overall = Monahan/Lindholm/Nichushkin

OR

#8 + #16 = Ristolainen/Nurse + Alexander Wennberg

 

i appreciate this very much. i think it may be close to what the team would need to do to move up a few spots and, on that predicate, crystallizes the choice to be made very neatly.

 

EDIT: and in light of today's write-up in TBN, it sounds like the team could be aspiring to take Barkov (a Finn and a centreman).

[X. Benedict]

:lol:

 

 

 

i appreciate this very much. i think it may be close to what the team would need to do to move up a few spots and, on that predicate, crystallizes the choice to be made very neatly.

 

EDIT: and in light of today's write-up in TBN, it sounds like the team could be aspiring to take Barkov (a Finn and a centreman).

 

If they can land Barkov that would be a coup. Ristolainen might be more realistic.

 

Ristolainen at 8. Erne at 16 would be more realistic if the team can't move up.

[TrueBlueGED]

Here is my question to add to the "trade up" conversation. If we could take 8 and 16 and get to say 5 (Carolina), in which spot we draft Monahan/Lindholm/Nichuskin whichever one the Sabres believe to be the best, is that better at this moment in time than taking Nurse/Ristolainen at 8 and then say Wennberg at 16. If those were the outcomes (both very plausible) which would rather have?

 

#5 overall = Monahan/Lindholm/Nichushkin

OR

#8 + #16 = Ristolainen/Nurse + Alexander Wennberg

 

I did the research for 8/16 to #3, you can go ahead and do it for #5 ;)

 

Without seeing a single name drafted #5 overall, I do that deal without hesitation every single time.

 

If they can land Barkov that would be a coup. Ristolainen might be more realistic.

 

Ristolainen at 8. Erne at 16 would be more realistic if the team can't move up.

 

If they are able to move up for Barkov, or if Lindolm simply falls in their lap at 8, I will do cartwheels around my neighborhood.

[That Aud Smell]

I did the research for 8/16 to #3, you can go ahead and do it for #5 ;)

 

[Weave]

Also I should add all it takes for Lindholm/Monahan/Nichuskin to fall to us at 8 is this plausible scenario

#5 Carolina - takes Nurse (D)

#6 Calgary - takes Fucale (G)

#7 Edmonton - takes Zadarov (D)

 

a completely plausible scenario considering what those teams lack and that Calgary will need a new franchise GT.

 

If Barkov is available at 5 I think it is worth doing. If he's already gone I'm not sure that Lindholm/Monahan/Nichuskin is better value than Nurse or Zadarov, let alone better *enough* to justify losing a teens pick. 5-8ish seems to be a toss up, no?

 

I'm curious how the Sabres feel about those individual players.

[TrueBlueGED]

If Barkov is available at 5 I think it is worth doing. If he's already gone I'm not sure that Lindholm/Monahan/Nichuskin is better value than Nurse or Zadarov, let alone better *enough* to justify losing a teens pick. 5-8ish seems to be a toss up, no?

 

I'm curious how the Sabres feel about those individual players.

 

Looking at various rankings I see Nurse, Zadarov and Ristolainen in the mid-teens as often as in the top-10, while I never see the forwards outside the top-10. To me that means there's a clear talent gap there, which would justify the move up.

[26CornerBlitz]

Also I should add all it takes for Lindholm/Monahan/Nichuskin to fall to us at 8 is this plausible scenario

#5 Carolina - takes Nurse (D)

#6 Calgary - takes Fucale (G)

#7 Edmonton - takes Zadarov (D)

 

a completely plausible scenario considering what those teams lack and that Calgary will need a new franchise GT.

 

This would be a fantastic scenario for the Blue and Gold. However, I think it's unlikely with Calgary more likely to select and 1st line C that is a major need for them. Edmonton has also said that their priority is C although they could easily be posturing. The Oil already have D Oscar Klefbom in their system and just recently signed KHL D Anton Belov. Carolina could go F or D.

 

I hope your scenario comes to fruition.

[LGR4GM]

Hold PHD...

 

2011: Ryan Strome V. S. Couturier V. J. Armia

 

2010: Nino Niederreitter V. A. Burmistrov + V. Tarasenko

 

2009: Brayden Schenn V. S. Glennie + N. Leddie

 

2008: Luke Schenn V. M Boedker + J. Colborne

 

2007: Karl Alzner V. Z. Hamill + C. Gillies

 

2006: Phil Kessel V. P. Mueller + Ty Wishart

 

2005: Carey Price V. Setoguchi + R. O'Marra

 

2004: Blake Wheeler V. A.Picard + P. Nokilanien

 

2003: Thomas Vanek V. B. Coburn + S. Bernier

 

2002: Ryan Whitney V. P. Marc-Bouchard + Jacob Klepus

 

This would be a fantastic scenario for the Blue and Gold. However, I think it's unlikely with Calgary more likely to select and 1st line C that is a major need for them. Edmonton has also said that their priority is C although they could easily be posturing. The Oil already have D Oscar Klefbom in their system and just recently signed KHL D Anton Belov. Carolina could go F or D.

 

I hope your scenario comes to fruition.

Which I noted earlier. Edmonton getting Belov makes it less likely they draft a defender. I think if Nichushkin is available that may change things but I bet money if Monahan is there they take him. It all comes down to what Calgary does and what Carolina does. If Carolina takes Defense and Calgary does take Fucale... it is a lot of ???? I can't predict it. Someone will fall I doubt that the draft goes exactly like the most used rankings which is

Jones, Mackinnon, Drouin, Barkov, Nichushkin, Monahan, Lindholm... I don't see that top 7 being a variation of those players. It never works that clean.

[sicknfla]

IF Calgary was to take Fucale then 8 and a 2nd gets you to 5. Fucale would still be there at 8. Calgary is NOT using the 5th pick on Fucale.

[LGR4GM]

IF Calgary was to take Fucale then 8 and a 2nd gets you to 5. Fucale would still be there at 8. Calgary is NOT using the 5th pick on Fucale.

good thing Calgary isn't drafting at #5 then... they can use the #6 pick on him instead.

 

 

As for that scenario we have no idea what Calgary will do because calgary has no idea what they will do. Personally I think they take a center by the name of Monahan and then Edmonton drafts defense regardless of their latest move.

[sicknfla]

Lol. To many damn numbers and scenarios. That is what I get for not looking at the draft order for the 500 time.

[LGR4GM]

Lol. To many damn numbers and scenarios. That is what I get for not looking at the draft order for the 500 time.

lol ;)

 

Anyways... My original point was if just 1 of the teams in front of us draft outside the mythical top 7 than one of those players falls to us. Usually that does indeed occur. We have just under month to wait but it should be good!

[TrueBlueGED]

Hold PHD...

 

2011: Ryan Strome V. S. Couturier V. J. Armia

 

2010: Nino Niederreitter V. A. Burmistrov + V. Tarasenko

 

2009: Brayden Schenn V. S. Glennie + N. Leddie

 

2008: Luke Schenn V. M Boedker + J. Colborne

 

2007: Karl Alzner V. Z. Hamill + C. Gillies

 

2006: Phil Kessel V. P. Mueller + Ty Wishart

 

2005: Carey Price V. Setoguchi + R. O'Marra

 

2004: Blake Wheeler V. A.Picard + P. Nokilanien

 

2003: Thomas Vanek V. B. Coburn + S. Bernier

 

2002: Ryan Whitney V. P. Marc-Bouchard + Jacob Klepus

 

Nice, thanks. So yes, historically it is a very smart decision to trade 8/16 to get to 5.

[LaFontaineToMogilny]

Nice, thanks. So yes, historically it is a very smart decision to trade 8/16 to get to 5.

 

I say that depends on what you need to do. There are some very nice 1/2 combos in that list. As for the Sabres, they have identified that they need top end talent, not restocking with several good players, so yes, we would almost be guaranteed to be better off by trading both 1st rounders to move up into the top 5.

 

That said, if this draft turns out to be like the 2003 draft, you want to pick twice in the first round ;)

[dudacek]

Is it just me, or is the buzz faded on Drouin?

Big, talented centres are the prototype, with big talented defencemen right behind, not small wingers.

Does a scenario exist where he drops to sixth behind Barkov, Nichushkin and Nurse?

[rakish]

this will let you do trade valuations faster, or maybe it's such a mess, it's useless, I don't know

[TrueBlueGED]

I say that depends on what you need to do. There are some very nice 1/2 combos in that list. As for the Sabres, they have identified that they need top end talent, not restocking with several good players, so yes, we would almost be guaranteed to be better off by trading both 1st rounders to move up into the top 5.

 

That said, if this draft turns out to be like the 2003 draft, you want to pick twice in the first round ;)

 

I honestly don't see them...in fact, I barely see any individual players in the 8/16 slots I'd be excited to have on the Sabres.

 

Is it just me, or is the buzz faded on Drouin?

Big, talented centres are the prototype, with big talented defencemen right behind, not small wingers.

Does a scenario exist where he drops to sixth behind Barkov, Nichushkin and Nurse?

 

I dunno, he's not smaller than Yakupov, who went #1 last year. I know this is supposed to be a better draft, but still, it's not like Drouin is a smurf. He's a hair under 5'11 and weighs as much as the taller MacKinnon.

[LaFontaineToMogilny]

Is it just me, or is the buzz faded on Drouin?

Big, talented centres are the prototype, with big talented defencemen right behind, not small wingers.

Does a scenario exist where he drops to sixth behind Barkov, Nichushkin and Nurse?

 

I guess it's possible, but if he did, I don't know why Calgary would trade out of their spot. I've been looking at pulling of the same kind of swap deal with Calgary as we did last year to get Zemgus, but not sure if they'd make the deal if Drouin falls to them?

[dudacek]

I think he's too talented to go past third.

But I have been wondering if the big three is as cut and dried as people have been making it out to be.

[LaFontaineToMogilny]

I think he's too talented to go past third.

But I have been wondering if the big three is as cut and dried as people have been making it out to be.

 

Going by the assumption that the scouts know what they are talking about, he seems like he is a can't miss talent and almost a lock as a future all star type player. I am not sure any other GM than DeLuca would pass that up for a few inches more.

[TrueBlueGED]

I think he's too talented to go past third.

But I have been wondering if the big three is as cut and dried as people have been making it out to be.

 

Depending who you want to listen to, you could easily make a case where there's a big-4 with Nichushkin or a big 4.5 with him and Barkov (who, from what I understand, is *that* close to being in the top group). I'm with you though, I can't picture Drouin dropping outside the top-3.

[26CornerBlitz]

Going by the assumption that the scouts know what they are talking about, he seems like he is a can't miss talent and almost a lock as a future all star type player. I am not sure any other GM than DeLuca would pass that up for a few inches more.

Depending who you want to listen to, you could easily make a case where there's a big-4 with Nichushkin or a big 4.5 with him and Barkov (who, from what I understand, is *that* close to being in the top group). I'm with you though, I can't picture Drouin dropping outside the top-3.

 

Could be the size factor that would push Barkov and Nichushkin ahead of Drouin. Drouin's lowest possible spot would be 5 IMO.

[LGR4GM]

Nice, thanks. So yes, historically it is a very smart decision to trade 8/16 to get to 5.

You need to remember that in some of those drafts really really good players were taken 9/10 or 17/18 so its still a crap shoot. I mean if I manipulate those results a tad it changes everything... like I make it do things like

Vanek V. Dion Phaneuf + Zack Parise for example.

Schenn V. Josh Bailey + Eric Karlsson for example (Karlsson was 15th)

 

My point being there is some truth the theory 5 is better than 8/16 but if you tweak those picks ever so slightly and that theory comes crashing down. I would say that you have a 50/50 shot of getting a better player @ 5 than 1 at 8/16... I mean I cherry picked to prove the point but still in deep drafts you can do it rather successfully. Look at 2003 which this draft is compared too. Would you rather have Vanek or Phaneuf (9) and Parise (17)

 

Is it just me, or is the buzz faded on Drouin?

Big, talented centres are the prototype, with big talented defencemen right behind, not small wingers.

Does a scenario exist where he drops to sixth behind Barkov, Nichushkin and Nurse?

I'd take Drouin all day every day and he is better than Barkov and Nichushkin. He will get taken by TB. A dynamic playmaker that can feed Stamkos... yes.

[X. Benedict]

If the draft was tomorrow without trades - I think it would play out like this:

 

Colorado takes Seth Jones

Florida takes Nathan MacKinnon

Tampa Bay takes Jonathan Drouin

Nashville takes Valery Nichushkin

Carolina takes Sasha Alexsander Barkov

Calgary takes Sean Monahan

Edmonton takes Elias Lindholm

Buffalo takes Rasmus Ristolainen

New Jersey takes Nikita Zadorov

Dallas takes Darnell Nurse

Philadelphia takes Bo Horvat

Phoenix takes Ryan Pulock

Winnipeg takes Hunter Shinkaruk

Columbus takes Alexander Wennberg

NY Islanders takes Max Domi

Buffalo takes Adam Erne

[LGR4GM]

If the draft was tomorrow without trades - I think it would play out like this:

 

Colorado takes Seth Jones

Florida takes Nathan MacKinnon

Tampa Bay takes Jonathan Drouin

Nashville takes Valery Nichushkin

Carolina takes Sasha Alexsander Barkov

Calgary takes Sean Monahan

Edmonton takes Elias Lindholm

Buffalo takes Rasmus Ristolainen

New Jersey takes Nikita Zadorov

Dallas takes Darnell Nurse

Philadelphia takes Bo Horvat

Phoenix takes Ryan Pulock

Winnipeg takes Hunter Shinkaruk

Columbus takes Alexander Wennberg

NY Islanders takes Max Domi

Buffalo takes Adam Erne

Interesting... here is another Mock that I found interesting.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1658761-nhl-mock-draft-2013-post-combine-predictions-for-1st-round-picks/

 

It has Monahan falling to us at 8 and then we take Zadarov at 16... that draft would be orgasmic.