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2013 NHL Entry Draft: Buffalo Sabres Select...

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Jones or MacKinnon  

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  1. 1. Which would you draft given the 1st overall pick?

    • Seth Jones
      18
    • Nathan MacKinnon
      68
    • Jonathan Drouin
      22

  2. 2. Who do you think the Sabres should draft at #8 overall?

    • Sean Monahan
      10
    • Elias Lindholm
      7
    • Valeri Nichushkin
      10
    • Ristolainen/Nurse/Zadarov/Other defender
      0
    • Zach Fucale
      2
    • Other, please post name
      5

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Question for you guys following these players for the draft.

Would u want Darcy to trade picks 8 and 16 plus whoever to try to move up into the top 1-4?

 

For me I see way too many good young players with potential then to trade the 8th and 16th to move up. I would really love to see both 2nd rounders into a deal for another first!

If I could use 8 and 16 plus something reasonable (aka not vanek) to move up to and get MacKinnon than yes. He is the only guy I personally would want to move up far to take.

 

I'm all for staying at 8 and 16. This franchise needs to load up on as many prospects as possible. I wouldn't mind if they even moved down and picked up additional picks (trading #8 to Columbus for #14 & #19 for example). That being said, if they were able to move Vanek and/or Miller and pick up additional 1st rounders I wouldn't mind seeing them move up. The guys rated at the top of this draft surely are talented, I just am not sure about burning multiple assets to acquire one on the players.

I have no desire to move out of the top ten. At all.

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Question for you guys following these players for the draft.

Would u want Darcy to trade picks 8 and 16 plus whoever to try to move up into the top 1-4?

 

For me I see way too many good young players with potential then to trade the 8th and 16th to move up. I would really love to see both 2nd rounders into a deal for another first!

 

I've got the talent drop-off lines at six and 14, so while I think we get two good ones standing pat, we are better off moving.

I agree with those who say moving into the top group is a long shot.

I think moving 8 and 16 to get into 4-7 is overpaying, unless we get something to sweeten the deal.

I'd have no problem with moving 16 or 8 in a deal that gets us 10-12 because I see 8-14 as very close group.

And if we could parlay ourselves into a third pick in the top 16, I would be very excited.

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And if we could parlay ourselves into a third pick in the top 16, I would be very excited.

 

In hoping they move both seconds and maybe one of next years seconds to move up for another first rounder preferably in the top 16.

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I've got the talent drop-off lines at six and 14, so while I think we get two good ones standing pat, we are better off moving.

I agree with those who say moving into the top group is a long shot.

I think moving 8 and 16 to get into 4-7 is overpaying, unless we get something to sweeten the deal.

I'd have no problem with moving 16 or 8 in a deal that gets us 10-12 because I see 8-14 as very close group.

And if we could parlay ourselves into a third pick in the top 16, I would be very excited.

 

So you think talent drops off at 6 and 14, while we have picks 8 and 16, and using those to move up into the top tier is overpaying? Under your evaluation we'd be moving a 2nd and 3rd tier pick for a 1st tier pick. That doesn't seem like overpaying to me. The Sabres problem for years hasn't been finding secondary players, it's been finding top tier players.

 

 

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So you think talent drops off at 6 and 14, while we have picks 8 and 16, and using those to move up into the top tier is overpaying? Under your evaluation we'd be moving a 2nd and 3rd tier pick for a 1st tier pick. That doesn't seem like overpaying to me. The Sabres problem for years hasn't been finding secondary players, it's been finding top tier players.

 

I agree that losing the 8 to move up is over-paying, but perhaps not the 16. The problem with the 8 is that there is about equal chance of that pick turning into a star or another third liner.

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Best in the Windgate bike test are Samuel Morin, Shea Theodore, Oliver Bjorkstrand & Ryan Pulock.

 

Best in pushups: Tyler Lewington (42), Jan Kostalek (37), John Hayden (36) & Nicolas Petan (36).

 

Bench press: Tyler Lewington (16), Kerby Rychel (15) & Dylan Labbe (15).

 

VO2 bike test longest times: Mirco Mueller and Chris Bigras (14:30).

 

Best eye/hand coordination: Santini, Saros, Comrie, Mueller, and De La Rose.

 

Lowest body fat: Tambellini (5%) Drouin 2nd (5.4)

 

MacKinnon / De La Rose tie for 7th (7.6)

 

Wingspan leaders: Seth Jones & Diaby tie with 81" (Tyler Myers was 81" too)

 

Fasching and Pulock with best hand grip.

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So you think talent drops off at 6 and 14, while we have picks 8 and 16, and using those to move up into the top tier is overpaying? Under your evaluation we'd be moving a 2nd and 3rd tier pick for a 1st tier pick. That doesn't seem like overpaying to me. The Sabres problem for years hasn't been finding secondary players, it's been finding top tier players.

 

Good point. I think it depends on how the picks fall. And there are pecking orders within the tiers.

If Barkov somehow slipped to five, I would probably trade our two picks for him.

But I would rather use 16 and eight to leverage Horvat and Domi, or Ristolainen and Shinkaruk, than just Monahan.

Or, another way of saying it is I would rather have two from the upper second tier than one from the lower top tier.

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Best in the Windgate bike test are Samuel Morin, Shea Theodore, Oliver Bjorkstrand & Ryan Pulock.

 

Best in pushups: Tyler Lewington (42), Jan Kostalek (37), John Hayden (36) & Nicolas Petan (36).

 

Bench press: Tyler Lewington (16), Kerby Rychel (15) & Dylan Labbe (15).

 

VO2 bike test longest times: Mirco Mueller and Chris Bigras (14:30).

 

Best eye/hand coordination: Santini, Saros, Comrie, Mueller, and De La Rose.

 

Lowest body fat: Tambellini (5%) Drouin 2nd (5.4)

 

MacKinnon / De La Rose tie for 7th (7.6)

 

Wingspan leaders: Seth Jones & Diaby tie with 81" (Tyler Myers was 81" too)

 

Fasching and Pulock with best hand grip.

 

Pulock is said to have an Al MacInnis-like shot. It'll be interesting to see where he's drafted.

Santini has been creeping up draft boards too.

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I see no good argument whatsoever in moving away from the #8 slot. The further you get away from 1, the less control you have in your choices. Moving backwards to get an extra pick at diminishing resources with lower upside makes no sense to me. We aren't short of players with 3rd line, 2 way upside. We are short of impact players. You rarely get those when you are picking in the teens +. You can get them more reliably at #8 however.

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Does anyone in this organization have a clue? Just when you think you have heard it all. Maybe that was the we are drafting Fucale smokescreen. These guys are pretty sharp.

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I agree that losing the 8 to move up is over-paying, but perhaps not the 16. The problem with the 8 is that there is about equal chance of that pick turning into a star or another third liner.

 

In which case, if you were GM, we'd never have a chance of moving up :P

 

Seriously though, how much #8 is worth I think all depends on who ends up being there, which of course we don't know in advance. If Monahan were available at 8, is it worth trading that pick to secure Lindolm? Maybe not (although depending on which scout you pay attention to, it would be worth it). On the other hand, if you're staring at a defenseman versus one of the top forwards, I think it's absolutely worth trading up. I'd just hate to see us lose out on a top-end forward because of adhering to some on-paper value chart.

 

Good point. I think it depends on how the picks fall. And there are pecking orders within the tiers.

If Barkov somehow slipped to five, I would probably trade our two picks for him.

But I would rather use 16 and eight to leverage Horvat and Domi, or Ristolainen and Shinkaruk, than just Monahan.

Or, another way of saying it is I would rather have two from the upper second tier than one from the lower top tier.

 

That's fair. I disagree, but it's a reasonable position.

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I think if they take a defenseman at 8 they should be getting a top tier d-man. If they can find a way to parlay both seconds and another pick and move into the 10-20 range I think they can get two top second tier forwards. I think 3 players in the top 20 would be a huge step forward on building this team for the future!

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Seriously though, how much #8 is worth I think all depends on who ends up being there, which of course we don't know in advance. If Monahan were available at 8, is it worth trading that pick to secure Lindolm? Maybe not (although depending on which scout you pay attention to, it would be worth it). On the other hand, if you're staring at a defenseman versus one of the top forwards, I think it's absolutely worth trading up. I'd just hate to see us lose out on a top-end forward because of adhering to some on-paper value.

 

Well, this pretty much the crux of the second part of my post. As far as I can tell, the consensus seems to be that there are the top three who are nearly guaranteed to be elite, and that hasn't changed over the past month and a half.

 

Okay, so I don't think the Sabres can get one of those picks. Is four worth the eight plus assets? I see no evidence that it is...the second tier, while seemingly strong, is not as solid and you could wind up with a third or fourth liner rather than a game-changing forward. The Sabres are pretty good at picking THAT player.

 

 

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Well, this pretty much the crux of the second part of my post. As far as I can tell, the consensus seems to be that there are the top three who are nearly guaranteed to be elite, and that hasn't changed over the past month and a half.

 

Okay, so I don't think the Sabres can get one of those picks. Is four worth the eight plus assets? I see no evidence that it is...the second tier, while seemingly strong, is not as solid and you could wind up with a third or fourth liner rather than a game-changing forward. The Sabres are pretty good at picking THAT player.

I think trading 8 plus assets for 4th would heavily depend on those assets. If it is something like 8 + 38 for 4 than yea it worth it. If it 8 + Ennis, now we are having issues.

 

Personally I like sitting at 8th but ideally want to move up to 5 or 7. I am not sure that is possible.

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I think trading 8 plus assets for 4th would heavily depend on those assets. If it is something like 8 + 38 for 4 than yea it worth it. If it 8 + Ennis, now we are having issues.

 

Personally I like sitting at 8th but ideally want to move up to 5 or 7. I am not sure that is possible.

 

Myers, Ennis and #8 for #4 and Shea Weber.

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Myers, Ennis and #8 for #4 and Shea Weber.

 

Can Nashville make that trade?

Don't they have to wait until the anniversary of the offer sheet?

Nashville might consider it, but only if they can't afford Weber.

There were whispers that they only matched to protect the asset and would be trading Weber in the future.

They aren't likely to get a Myers (Myers haters jump in here) in other packages.

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