2013 NHL Entry Draft: Buffalo Sabres Select...

[TrueBlueGED]

A team that believes it is on the verge of a cup would. If Chicago for instance were eliminated by Detroit than they would be a team that could possible do more than kick the tires. It is hard to say at this point but Miller is worth more than a late 1st rounder and a 3rd line guy. Try 1st and a teams 2/3rd prospect in the system plus a rostered guy. Also what we think he is worth and what DR does are probably different things and DR sets the price so he can set it as high or low as he wants.

 

I think you are significantly overestimating what we're going to get in any Miller deal. You basically just described the return for a first-line scorer (Nash, Gaborik, Pominville--he got slightly less, but still); I just don't think you get that return for a goaltender, even if a team thinks it needs one. If we assume Miller and Vanek follow Pommer out the door, I expect the return will look like this: Vanek > Pommer > Miller. BTW I think it's asinine if Pommer gets a better return than Miller, but given the league market, it's what I expect.

[sicknfla]

I hope you are right about Miller and we get a great return for him. It will have to be the perfect situation where a team - like Chicago - decides to go all in. If that perfect situation does not pop up then we will get what he is worth. A first, maybe 2, a 2nd, and a prospect type player.

 

He is what he is. A goalie who has not seen the playoffs in 2 years with 1 year left on his contract. Not to mention a reputation as being a crybaby sulker.

 

Darcy is not in the position of power in this deal. The market will not be huge for him and every GM knows that Darcy needs to move him.

[LGR4GM]

I think a 1st round pick, a teams 2 or 3 best prospect and a rostered player is less than what we got for Pominville...

Pommers we got a 1st, 2nd, 3rd best prospect and top goalie prospect in the system. Miller should net us less perhaps but not significantly.

 

Ben Bishop was traded for Cory Conacher (Rookie points leader) and a 4th and he is just a kid who does not have the proven body of work that Miller does. Either way you slice it (second time used that today, wtf?) DR has the final say and he doesn't have to move Miller, he should but he doesn't have to. Teams who take him also get an entire year to negotiate with him if they so choose. Just something else to keep in mind.

 

In conclusion I believe that any Miller deal will be a shock to us no matter how that cookie crumbles

[TrueBlueGED]

I think a 1st round pick, a teams 2 or 3 best prospect and a rostered player is less than what we got for Pominville...

Pommers we got a 1st, 2nd, 3rd best prospect and top goalie prospect in the system. Miller should net us less perhaps but not significantly.

 

Larsson was Minnesota's 5th best prospect, behind: Granlund, Coyle, Brodin, Dumba. Hackett had also been passed in their system by Kuemper. So a couple of mid-level prospects, and a couple of picks which will turn into mid-level prospects--absolutely nothing high-end. That's not to say it was a bad return, just that it was a quantity-for-quality deal.

[26CornerBlitz]

Lightning director of amateur scouting Al Murray optimistic about 2013 NHL Draft Class: http://lightning.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=669501

[IKnowPhysics]

Nishcushushkininin says he'll go the NHL:

 

http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=17826&navid=nhl:topheads

[Derrico]

Lightning director of amateur scouting Al Murray optimistic about 2013 NHL Draft Class: http://lightning.nhl...s.htm?id=669501

 

Interesting, thanks for the post. Maybe I've rushed to judgement on Nichushkin. It's obviously difficult to judge these players ourselves as we've seen only limited highlights of them. Although the risk of him never playing over here is very real, I've read many reports now on his skill sets being elite. I think our re-build will take atleast 2 years so him playing out the rest of his contract in the KHL doesn't overly bother me. It's whether he's willing to come over here after.

 

Nishcushushkininin says he'll go the NHL:

 

http://www.nhl.com/i...id=nhl:topheads

 

Well that changes everything. Now I really do think Carolina takes him 5th overall which gives us a much better shot at Monaghan or Lindholm. If Edmonton doesn't trade out of their current spot, I think we do get one.

[Robviously]

Nishcushushkininin says he'll go the NHL:

 

http://www.nhl.com/i...id=nhl:topheads

This is a pretty big deal.

Valeri Nichushkin, NHL Central Scouting's second-rated European skater in its final rankings of prospects for the 2013 NHL Draft, told a Russian newspaper that he plans on playing hockey in North America next season.

"I have already decided I will go to the NHL," Nichushkin told R-Sport news agency in Russia. "Dynamo [Moscow] has accepted this calmly and I was told that I can leave if I want to. There are no legal problems. My deal with Dynamo is terminated and I am leaving a free agent."

[IKnowPhysics]

"Holy mackerel, it's Russia time."

[Derrico]

If anyone is interested, here is a post by an Oilers blogger breaking down the draft. In summary, the top 4 go to the top 4 teams. Nich now goes to Carolina and Calgary (who needs a centre) will choose between Lindholm or Monaghan. This writer feels like Calgary will take Monaghan. If that's the case, he thinks Edmonton should trade out of their pick down a few spots as a good Dman will still be there. I am afraid NJ may swap with Edmonton. The other thing he implies is if Lindholm goes to Calgary, Edmonton could take Monaghan. Intersting.

 

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Richard-Cloutier/Oilers-at-the-DraftA-Response/131/51704

[26CornerBlitz]

ESPN Insider Craig Custance has a blog on the increasing importance of player size: http://insider.espn.go.com/nhl/blog/_/name/custance_craig/id/9281321/2013-nhl-playoffs-size-growing-importance-nhl-teams

 

Excerpted from the blog post

 

"Many teams have had or are having their amateur scouting meetings right now, and the best way to transform a team is through the draft. The problem is, many of the highly skilled forwards in this year's crop aren't necessarily big. Nathan MacKinnon is 6-foot, Jonathan Drouin is 5-10, Hunter Shinkaruk is 5-10 and Elias Lindholm is 6-foot.

 

It makes 6-3 Russian winger Valeri Nichushkin more intriguing than ever. One scout said he'd be the No. 1 pick if it weren't for his passport. Any team that drafts him will have competition from the KHL for his services, which makes him a risk. Teams will be eager to hear what he has to say during interviews at the upcoming draft combine in Toronto.

 

But his rare combo of size and skill in this draft means anyone picking in the top five has to give him a good, hard look.

 

"When you look at the players that make this draft so exciting, I don't think it's necessarily the size or the physicality of the players," said one team's director of amateur scouting. "That is something you have to work into your draft if you're going to try and change the makeup of your team."

He said his team has multiple lists when getting ready to draft -- a big board with overall rankings, along with a chart of players listed by their characteristics. So as the draft progresses and you want to add size and physicality, you might have to pass on someone ranked higher to complement your current core."

 

Nichushkin and Barkov may both go higher than many think based on the size factor.

[X. Benedict]

This is a pretty big deal.

 

Rats. He probably won't last to 8 now.

[26CornerBlitz]

Rats. He probably definitely won't last to 8 now.

 

Fixed.

[X. Benedict]

Fixed.

 

I have been looking at the boards and hoping he'd fall to 8 for about a year now.

[26CornerBlitz]

I have been looking at the boards and hoping he'd fall to 8 for about a year now.

 

With the "Russian" factor eliminated, we can kiss that idea goodbye.

[X. Benedict]

With the "Russian" factor eliminated, we can kiss that idea goodbye.

 

I'm not so certain. That has to be coming from somebody. I can't imagine his KHL club would let him walk without some type of compensation.

 

That might exclude a few markets with tight bottom lines.

[TrueBlueGED]

ESPN Insider Craig Custance has a blog on the increasing importance of player size: http://insider.espn....tance-nhl-teams

 

Excerpted from the blog post

 

"Many teams have had or are having their amateur scouting meetings right now, and the best way to transform a team is through the draft. The problem is, many of the highly skilled forwards in this year's crop aren't necessarily big. Nathan MacKinnon is 6-foot, Jonathan Drouin is 5-10, Hunter Shinkaruk is 5-10 and Elias Lindholm is 6-foot.

 

It makes 6-3 Russian winger Valeri Nichushkin more intriguing than ever. One scout said he'd be the No. 1 pick if it weren't for his passport. Any team that drafts him will have competition from the KHL for his services, which makes him a risk. Teams will be eager to hear what he has to say during interviews at the upcoming draft combine in Toronto.

 

But his rare combo of size and skill in this draft means anyone picking in the top five has to give him a good, hard look.

 

"When you look at the players that make this draft so exciting, I don't think it's necessarily the size or the physicality of the players," said one team's director of amateur scouting. "That is something you have to work into your draft if you're going to try and change the makeup of your team."

He said his team has multiple lists when getting ready to draft -- a big board with overall rankings, along with a chart of players listed by their characteristics. So as the draft progresses and you want to add size and physicality, you might have to pass on someone ranked higher to complement your current core."

 

Nichushkin and Barkov may both go higher than many think based on the size factor.

 

Before St. Louis got eliminated, Ken Hitchcock had a quote to the effect of: "Big players who can't skate don't really have a place anymore. Smaller players who are skilled and can skate are OK, but what you really want are the big ones who can skate." That's what makes Nichushkin so enticing: he's got great size and is a great skater (both in acceleration and speed).

 

I'm not so certain. That has to be coming from somebody. I can't imagine his KHL club would let him walk without some type of compensation.

 

That might exclude a few markets with tight bottom lines.

 

At one point I'd say it precludes Carolina. But with the money they just handed out to Skinner, Staal and Semin, apparently they're not so frugal.

[LGR4GM]

ESPN Insider Craig Custance has a blog on the increasing importance of player size: http://insider.espn....tance-nhl-teams

 

Excerpted from the blog post

 

"Many teams have had or are having their amateur scouting meetings right now, and the best way to transform a team is through the draft. The problem is, many of the highly skilled forwards in this year's crop aren't necessarily big. Nathan MacKinnon is 6-foot, Jonathan Drouin is 5-10, Hunter Shinkaruk is 5-10 and Elias Lindholm is 6-foot.

 

It makes 6-3 Russian winger Valeri Nichushkin more intriguing than ever. One scout said he'd be the No. 1 pick if it weren't for his passport. Any team that drafts him will have competition from the KHL for his services, which makes him a risk. Teams will be eager to hear what he has to say during interviews at the upcoming draft combine in Toronto.

 

But his rare combo of size and skill in this draft means anyone picking in the top five has to give him a good, hard look.

 

"When you look at the players that make this draft so exciting, I don't think it's necessarily the size or the physicality of the players," said one team's director of amateur scouting. "That is something you have to work into your draft if you're going to try and change the makeup of your team."

He said his team has multiple lists when getting ready to draft -- a big board with overall rankings, along with a chart of players listed by their characteristics. So as the draft progresses and you want to add size and physicality, you might have to pass on someone ranked higher to complement your current core."

 

Nichushkin and Barkov may both go higher than many think based on the size factor.

so basically this http://forums.sabres...920#entry483005 which I said last week.

 

I understand why people aren't certain about Nichushkin and Carolina but considering they will give him an entry deal for 3yrs before he gets more cash (or post Ruutu) I think Nichuskin makes even more sense for Carolina if he falls. My guess would be if they take defense that Calgary would also take him. Edmonton and Buffalo, I am not so sure.

[X. Benedict]

so basically this http://forums.sabres...920#entry483005 which I said last week.

 

I understand why people aren't certain about Nichushkin and Carolina but considering they will give him an entry deal for 3yrs before he gets more cash (or post Ruutu) I think Nichuskin makes even more sense for Carolina if he falls. My guess would be if they take defense that Calgary would also take him. Edmonton and Buffalo, I am not so sure.

 

The problem is when you want him. It costs nothing for NKSHKIN to say he's ready for the NHL.

Carolina isn't likely to buy-out the KHL contract. So if they draft him, they will have to wait.

[LGR4GM]

Nishcushushkininin says he'll go the NHL:

 

http://www.nhl.com/i...id=nhl:topheads

The problem is when you want him. It costs nothing for NKSHKIN to say he's ready for the NHL.

Carolina isn't likely to buy-out the KHL contract. So if they draft him, they will have to wait.

Not according to the above article...

"I have already decided I will go to the NHL," Nichushkin told R-Sport news agency in Russia. "Dynamo [Moscow] has accepted this calmly and I was told that I can leave if I want to. There are no legal problems. My deal with Dynamo is terminated and I am leaving a free agent."

[X. Benedict]

Not according to the above article...

"I have already decided I will go to the NHL," Nichushkin told R-Sport news agency in Russia. "Dynamo [Moscow] has accepted this calmly and I was told that I can leave if I want to. There are no legal problems. My deal with Dynamo is terminated and I am leaving a free agent."

So Dynamo paid $10 million to acquire Nichushkin and are now letting him walk free and clear? That just sounds unlikely.

 

Methinks there is something that Valerie is not getting here.

[LGR4GM]

So Dynamo paid $10 million to acquire Nichushkin and are now letting him walk free and clear? That just sounds unlikely.

 

Methinks there is something that Valerie is not getting here.

yea 10million I would guess

 

Took me awhile but I tracked it down for peeps. http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/05/22/hot-shot-russian-prospect-nicushkin-says-he-will-come-to-nhl-after-hes-drafted/

 

Dmitry Chesnokov of Puck Daddy adds: “His godfather (no kidding) said TBL and CAR and that he is not aware of the NSH interest. Nichushkin himself did mention NSH. … The interesting part is what happens to the 10m rubles Dynamo paid Traktor for the transfer? … The whisper was he’d play at least one more year in Russia…”

 

[26CornerBlitz]

So Dynamo paid $10 million to acquire Nichushkin and are now letting him walk free and clear? That just sounds unlikely.

 

Methinks there is something that Valerie is not getting here.

 

I know that the contract extension was signed with his original KHL team Traktor Chelyabinsk and with the trade to Moscow Dynamo Nichushkin now had the option of going elsewhere. I believe that I heard that on TSN on the night of the draft lottery.

 

Looks like to me he is exercising his right to ply his trade elsewhere with no buyout necessary.

[spndnchz]

I know that the contract extension was signed with his original KHL team Traktor Chelyabinsk and with the trade to Moscow Dynamo Nichushkin now had the option of going elsewhere. I believe that I heard that on TSN on the night of the draft lottery.

 

Looks like to me he is exercising his right to ply his trade elsewhere with no buyout necessary.

 

Dynamo confirmed today that he's good to go.

[LGR4GM]

Dynamo confirmed today that he's good to go.

well then if Nichushkin is available at 8 and the other guys are gone, I think he is who we should take. My main concern outside of the Russian thing would be his conditioning for a 82 game season. I could see this kid starting strong next year than tailing off as the season grinds on. Hard to predict this guy, he looks good but sometimes looks are deceiving

 

I think I should add something doesn't feel right for me with Nichushkin and I would rather we draft 1 of the other players.