2013 NHL Entry Draft: Buffalo Sabres Select...

[X. Benedict]

Hartman?

 

As in Ryan Hartman?

 

I am only asking because I would consider that an very interesting pick at 16

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Ryan Hartman at 16.

 

"Real Prick to play against."

http://www.redlinere...-Spotlight1.pdf

 

I think he'd be loved here.

[Derrico]

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Ryan Hartman at 16.

 

"Real Prick to play against."

http://www.redlinere...-Spotlight1.pdf

 

I think he'd be loved here.

 

Steve Ott?

[LGR4GM]

Steve Ott?

With more talent and a severe hatred of losing.

[nobody]

With more talent and a severe hatred of losing.

 

Hartman and Ott's numbers in their first year in the OHL are pretty comparable. But Hartman was nearly a year older.

[X. Benedict]

Adam Erne's Red Line Report.

 

http://www.redlinereport.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Erne-Spotlight-Jan-13.pdf

 

Also a possibility at 16

[dudacek]

Glad to see someone else bring up Hartman.

He's a step below what I hope drops to us at 16, but if no one drops, I'd be happy with him there.

Kaleta with skill, I called him, but Ott is also a great comparable.

Was a weapon for US at WJC

[sicknfla]

I think Philadelphia with the 11 pick is going to be a player in anything we do. I can see either Miller or Vanek ending up in Philly with a return being a variety of options but definitely the 11 pick would be included. Now we have 8, 11, and 16. 8&11 may get you the 4 or 5 from Calgary or Carolina.

 

Personally, I would have no problem keeping the 8, 11, and 16 and go 2 forwards and 1 dman.

 

We are not getting into the top 3 so I guess it comes down to how much we value the 4-5 player over the 8 player.

[SabresBillsFan]

I think Philadelphia with the 11 pick is going to be a player in anything we do. I can see either Miller or Vanek ending up in Philly with a return being a variety of options but definitely the 11 pick would be included. Now we have 8, 11, and 16. 8&11 may get you the 4 or 5 from Calgary or Carolina.

 

Personally, I would have no problem keeping the 8, 11, and 16 and go 2 forwards and 1 dman.

 

We are not getting into the top 3 so I guess it comes down to how much we value the 4-5 player over the 8 player.

 

If they do trade with Philly for the 11th pick I would keep all 3. I would be more than happy to trade Miller there. Philly's defense isn't that great. Plus the way Miller was the last game looked like he was gone. Miller to Philly for the 11th pick and a 2nd or 3rd next year I would be fine with.

[North Buffalo]

Vanek and Miller imo are worth 2 firsts each, maybe on two different years, or a 1st and a player. But I don't think I would just let Miller go for a 1st and a couple of low round seconds.

[TrueBlueGED]

Vanek and Miller imo are worth 2 firsts each, maybe on two different years, or a 1st and a player. But I don't think I would just let Miller go for a 1st and a couple of low round seconds.

 

Then be prepared for anger, because that's precisely what I see happening. Maybe a decent roster player or mid-level prospect and a 1st rather than more picks, but anybody expecting a huge return is going to be disappointed IMO.

[Eleven]

Then be prepared for anger, because that's precisely what I see happening. Maybe a decent roster player or mid-level prospect and a 1st rather than more picks, but anybody expecting a huge return is going to be disappointed IMO.

 

Miller is worth an on-the-roster player and a first. Maybe I'll be disappointed. But he's a seasoned goalie with a Vez, a silver medal, ad an Olympic MVP.

[TrueBlueGED]

Miller is worth an on-the-roster player and a first. Maybe I'll be disappointed. But he's a seasoned goalie with a Vez, a silver medal, ad an Olympic MVP.

 

I agree, but it's not gonna be a top line player or anything like that. I expect a good 3rd liner, an Ott-type.

[Weave]

Miller is worth an on-the-roster player and a first. Maybe I'll be disappointed. But he's a seasoned goalie with a Vez, a silver medal, ad an Olympic MVP.

I agree, but it's not gonna be a top line player or anything like that. I expect a good 3rd liner, an Ott-type.

 

Depends on where the pick is. Can we really expect a player coming back if the pick is within that group of elite potential? Doubtful. If that pick is teens-20's then yeah,I think a roster player coming back in addition is fair value.

[TrueBlueGED]

Depends on where the pick is. Can we really expect a player coming back if the pick is within that group of elite potential? Doubtful. If that pick is teens-20's then yeah,I think a roster player coming back in addition is fair value.

 

You're right, but I don't think there's a prayer of Miller being in a trade involving a high pick. I'd expect late teens to early 20s--aka a team that thinks it's a goaltender away from being a contender (or in the case of contenders, a goaltender away from winning it all).

[Weave]

You're right, but I don't think there's a prayer of Miller being in a trade involving a high pick. I'd expect late teens to early 20s--aka a team that thinks it's a goaltender away from being a contender (or in the case of contenders, a goaltender away from winning it all).

 

And the idea is analog. There is a whole lotta drafting going on between 4 and 24 and the return for a Miller slides as we travel along that path.

 

And I'm not a physicist. :)

 

 

Here's a convo for ya. A 20ish pick is odds on a 3rd liner. Is Miller worth a rostered 3rd liner and a future 3rd liner? Should we expect more? Would we be happy with a young but in the pros 3rd liner and an established vet 3rd liner for him?

[North Buffalo]

And the idea is analog. There is a whole lotta drafting going on between 4 and 24 and the return for a Miller slides as we travel along that path.

 

And I'm not a physicist. :)

 

 

Here's a convo for ya. A 20ish pick is odds on a 3rd liner. Is Miller worth a rostered 3rd liner and a future 3rd liner? Should we expect more? Would we be happy with a young but in the pros 3rd liner and an established vet 3rd liner for him?

So at that point, agree probably the scenario, you gotta wait for the trade deadline next year to get something of value for him and hope for a lot of goalie injuries, not on the Sabres, next year before the deadline.

[Weave]

So at that point, agree probably the scenario, you gotta wait for the trade deadline next year to get something of value for him and hope for a lot of goalie injuries, not on the Sabres, next year before the deadline.

 

I bet you get less at the deadline. By then he's just a playoff rental. And it is pretty well demonstrated that player values at trade deadline tend to be notably less then they are with a full season remaining under contract.

[North Buffalo]

I bet you get less at the deadline. By then he's just a playoff rental. And it is pretty well demonstrated that player values at trade deadline tend to be notably less then they are with a full season remaining under contract.

I don't know about that DR got a 1st for Goose, you can't tell me Miller wouldn't be worth more.

[sicknfla]

 

 

Miller will not be on this team when training camp starts. That ship sailed the last month off the season and I believe both sides have already moved on. IMO the trade for Hackett at the deadline was done because a trade for Miller was in place that fell apart at the last minute.

 

Miller wants out of here worse than most of us want him of here. With his outspoken, selfish personality I am sure he has made management well aware of it.I

[Lanny]

 

I don't know about that DR got a 1st for Goose, you can't tell me Miller wouldn't be worth more.

depends on goaltender market

[sicknfla]

depends on goaltender market

 

Regardless of the market Miller is not worth what we think he is. He is slightly above average and will be in his mid 30's during his next contract. Many teams will kick the Sabres tires for him but they all know we are not in a great position with him. Nobody is going to mortgage their future for Ryan Miller.

[SabresBillsFan]

 

 

Regardless of the market Miller is not worth what we think he is. He is slightly above average and will be in his mid 30's during his next contract. Many teams will kick the Sabres tires for him but they all know we are not in a great position with him. Nobody is going to mortgage their future for Ryan Miller.

 

Miller is at least worth a 1st rounder and like someone else said a third liner.

[TrueBlueGED]

And the idea is analog. There is a whole lotta drafting going on between 4 and 24 and the return for a Miller slides as we travel along that path.

 

And I'm not a physicist. :)

 

 

Here's a convo for ya. A 20ish pick is odds on a 3rd liner. Is Miller worth a rostered 3rd liner and a future 3rd liner? Should we expect more? Would we be happy with a young but in the pros 3rd liner and an established vet 3rd liner for him?

 

I'd want more than two 3rd liners, but realistically, I don't think I expect more--and if that's the best I could get, I still take it providing he wants out.

[LGR4GM]

I think Philadelphia with the 11 pick is going to be a player in anything we do. I can see either Miller or Vanek ending up in Philly with a return being a variety of options but definitely the 11 pick would be included. Now we have 8, 11, and 16. 8&11 may get you the 4 or 5 from Calgary or Carolina.

 

Personally, I would have no problem keeping the 8, 11, and 16 and go 2 forwards and 1 dman.

 

We are not getting into the top 3 so I guess it comes down to how much we value the 4-5 player over the 8 player.

Quick note that the 4th pick is not Calgary's but Nashville's. Calgary will draft 6th and I don't think you could trade them for that. I don't thinkg you could trade Nashville for their pick either. Carolina I have stated many times may be willing to draft to 8th because I think they draft defense.

 

Regardless of the market Miller is not worth what we think he is. He is slightly above average and will be in his mid 30's during his next contract. Many teams will kick the Sabres tires for him but they all know we are not in a great position with him. Nobody is going to mortgage their future for Ryan Miller.

A team that believes it is on the verge of a cup would. If Chicago for instance were eliminated by Detroit than they would be a team that could possible do more than kick the tires. It is hard to say at this point but Miller is worth more than a late 1st rounder and a 3rd line guy. Try 1st and a teams 2/3rd prospect in the system plus a rostered guy. Also what we think he is worth and what DR does are probably different things and DR sets the price so he can set it as high or low as he wants.

[Derrico]

Adam Erne's Red Line Report.

 

http://www.redlinere...ight-Jan-13.pdf

 

Also a possibility at 16

 

He's a guy I would be very happy with at #16. Theses are the types of players (reading about his attitude/drive etc.) that we need.