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Jones or MacKinnon  

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  1. 1. Which would you draft given the 1st overall pick?

    • Seth Jones
      18
    • Nathan MacKinnon
      68
    • Jonathan Drouin
      22

  2. 2. Who do you think the Sabres should draft at #8 overall?

    • Sean Monahan
      10
    • Elias Lindholm
      7
    • Valeri Nichushkin
      10
    • Ristolainen/Nurse/Zadarov/Other defender
      0
    • Zach Fucale
      2
    • Other, please post name
      5

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Anyone talking about trading Vanek + to get pick to 3-5, especially the ones saying things like also add in Pysyk or our #8... insanity.

 

Judging from what I am reading, many don't believe that a center prospect will fall to us... I highly doubt no one takes a defender other than Jones in the top 7 simply because they are so good. Nurse/Zadarov/Ristolainen are all top guys. Zadorov isn't hurting his stock by playing the playoffs for London. Nurse may hurt his stock a little by the injury but I doubt it. Ristolainen is simply good.

 

I really feel Edmonton and Carolina will be more than happy to take a serious look at those guys. I also think both those draft spots we could move into. If Carolina says they want defense and we say hey we want a forward, that means Buffalo and Calgary will take forwards leaving only Edmonton as a defensive candidate. This means if and that is an IF carolina thinks they can get their guy at 8 and get an extra 2nd round pick they could be willing to move down. Time will tell but this is a possible scenario.

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Anyone talking about trading Vanek + to get pick to 3-5, especially the ones saying things like also add in Pysyk or our #8... insanity.

 

Judging from what I am reading, many don't believe that a center prospect will fall to us... I highly doubt no one takes a defender other than Jones in the top 7 simply because they are so good. Nurse/Zadarov/Ristolainen are all top guys. Zadorov isn't hurting his stock by playing the playoffs for London. Nurse may hurt his stock a little by the injury but I doubt it. Ristolainen is simply good.

 

I really feel Edmonton and Carolina will be more than happy to take a serious look at those guys. I also think both those draft spots we could move into. If Carolina says they want defense and we say hey we want a forward, that means Buffalo and Calgary will take forwards leaving only Edmonton as a defensive candidate. This means if and that is an IF carolina thinks they can get their guy at 8 and get an extra 2nd round pick they could be willing to move down. Time will tell but this is a possible scenario.

 

But the guys we want (the forwards mentioned in this thread) are also so good and that's why. Carolina could easily take a forward and then Edmonton is on the clock with only Jones being selected at D. They likely go Nurse and again it's back to RR, Z, or 'the russian factor'.

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But the guys we want (the forwards mentioned in this thread) are also so good and that's why. Carolina could easily take a forward and then Edmonton is on the clock with only Jones being selected at D. They likely go Nurse and again it's back to RR, Z, or 'the russian factor'.

Which is exactly why Darcy has to move up. Idk if Carolina will move down but they seem the only likely candidate out of Carolina, Calgary, Edmonton.

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Which is exactly why Darcy has to move up. Idk if Carolina will move down but they seem the only likely candidate out of Carolina, Calgary, Edmonton.

 

I agree. I hope we push hard for it.

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I am not advocating trading Vanek or Psysk, just think if in return the Sabres could move up and get another #1 next year in addition, I might go for it if the Sabres got a someone else in return then maybe, but I still would rather the Sabres keep Psysk, trade Miller mostly for a top 4 pick. Moving up 1 spot doesn't make either one as part of that bargain worth it, so if you are going for it get into the top 4 or don't do it.

 

Honestly i would like to do something like this..

 

Tyler Ennis and 16 for 5 and 35

Not a bad idea, like I said early DR needs to be creative.
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Like I said before I don't know if giving up extra picks and players is such a wise decision. Yes we know about the top 4 guys that they are better than the rest at there current age. That doesn't mean picks 5- whatever won't become star players. Now if this is Connor McDavid I trade my whole draft for him. But it's not. He's the next big thing right now. So I caution moving players and more picks just to move up a few spots. I believe we can find 2 skilled offensive players at 8 and 16 if they don't move up. Remember Perry got drafted at 10 and Getzlaf at 19 I believe. So saying u have to get in the top 4 to get high end players is simply not true. These players in the top 4 are the best at their current age. Doesn't mean players 5-? Won't be just as good or better.

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Like I said before I don't know if giving up extra picks and players is such a wise decision. Yes we know about the top 4 guys that they are better than the rest at there current age. That doesn't mean picks 5- whatever won't become star players. Now if this is Connor McDavid I trade my whole draft for him. But it's not. He's the next big thing right now. So I caution moving players and more picks just to move up a few spots. I believe we can find 2 skilled offensive players at 8 and 16 if they don't move up. Remember Perry got drafted at 10 and Getzlaf at 19 I believe. So saying u have to get in the top 4 to get high end players is simply not true. These players in the top 4 are the best at their current age. Doesn't mean players 5-? Won't be just as good or better.

 

Nobody is saying you can't get a great player later in the draft, but for every Getzlaf or Perry there's about 100 guys who never make the NHL, let alone become stars. Your chances at an all-star are astronomically higher in the top-5 than anywhere else in the draft--this isn't an opinion, it's a fact. I'm not sure how this is even a conversation.

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Like I said before I don't know if giving up extra picks and players is such a wise decision. Yes we know about the top 4 guys that they are better than the rest at there current age. That doesn't mean picks 5- whatever won't become star players. Now if this is Connor McDavid I trade my whole draft for him. But it's not. He's the next big thing right now. So I caution moving players and more picks just to move up a few spots. I believe we can find 2 skilled offensive players at 8 and 16 if they don't move up. Remember Perry got drafted at 10 and Getzlaf at 19 I believe. So saying u have to get in the top 4 to get high end players is simply not true. These players in the top 4 are the best at their current age. Doesn't mean players 5-? Won't be just as good or better.

 

Players drafted inside the first round but outside the top 5 who became NHL all stars

03 - 06 - Michalek

03 - 07 - Suter

03 - 09 - Phaneuf

03 - 11 - Carter

03 - 13 - Brown

03 - 17 - Parise

03 - 19 - Getslaf

03 - 20 - Burns

03 - 23 - Kesler

03 - 24 - Richards

03 - 28 - Perry

 

04 - 29 - Green

 

05 - 11 - Kopitar

05 - 12 - Staal

 

06 - 22 - Giroux

 

07 - Couture

 

08 - 15 - Karlsson

08 - 22 - Eberle

 

10 - 07 - Skinner

 

On the one hand if this draft really is 03 then you want as many picks in it as possible. On the other hand, it really might not be, in which case I would take a top 5 pick any day of the week as after that there are maybe 3 all stars in the first round. We need talent. We need stars

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Thanks for that post 38.

Too much talk on here about generalities - what position to pick, what spot, what size, what style, etc.

It's about players, specific players.

And there are a lot of very good ones available this year first line talent, even where we are picking.

We need to pick the right ones.

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I'm pretty sure every team uses BPA....just how they define "best" may vary.

 

How would you break down tiers of talent? Lindolm's ceiling is an all-star center. If 2 tiers above that isn't Crosby-like, what is it? To me a tier above all-star is elite, and a tier above elite is HoFer. You could add a 3rd tier for generational talent I suppose, but you could also argue my elite and HoFer tiers are one in the same. Seriously, break it down for me so we can try to speak the same language here.

Unless the talent is off the charts I would always prefer the best player for my team over the BPA. Looking at this years draft it looks as if Lindolm is a tier or two from the top prospects in this years draft class. I just can't imagine a player being compared with one of the all-time great players when he isn't even the top player in his draft class.

 

I think I will be pissed if they trade Vanek and the eighth overall pick just to move up to 4th or 5th. I think you hold on to Vanek and if they do trade him trade him for a 1st, 2nd and possible prospect. You just don't trade him to move up a few spots. I think people really under estimate Vaneks scoring. He is one of the best snipers in the league. If this guy had a true number 1 center all these years his numbers would be up their with Stamkos and Ovi. He can at least fetch as much as Pom's, Nash and Gaborik.

Vanek and the 8th pick is overpaying. Vanek straight-up for the 4th or 5th pick is an interesting proposition.

As others stated, I did not advocate reaching, but rather either trading up to get a valuable forward worth the pick or trading back to get more picks, possibly another number 1 next year.

 

I don't want Psysk traded either because I think he could end up being a number 1 D with Erhoff. However, Psysk, and Vanek for a 4 or 3 overall I might consider. That would give the Sabres 3 number 1 picks and then a D at number 8 would work, but I doubt anyone would go for that.

 

The Sabres shouldn't draft a D no matter how talented at 8 and I agree they shouldn't reach for lesser talent at 8 so either trade up or trade down if they don't thing a talented forward isn't available at 8. Just my opinion, what my main concern is that outside of the top 3 centers, I am not sure keeping the 8th pick is worth it and by definition will be a reach for the Sabres or just not worth it.

 

D take too long to develop and talented ones often don't show their true colors for a couple of years. The Sabres need help up the middle, the D in the pipeline seem to be talented enough to fill all six spots. Again centers and scorers are seriously lacking on this team.

This team is lacking at every position. Though there is talent in the draft I don't think there is a quick fix to what ails the Sabres offense. IMO, it is important to keep the focus on the bigger picture. Focus on those players that bring the qualities you are trying to instill into this franchise.

 

Honestly i would like to do something like this..

 

Tyler Ennis and 16 for 5 and 35

This would be a steal for the Sabres. Giving up Ennis to move up 11 sports and get an additional 2nd round pick would be awesome. That would be an impact move for the Sabres and a "we need to make the playoffs" move for the "Canes.

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You would do it, sure. I don't see how it even begins to address Carolina's needs thought.

 

Very true. Like us the Canes aren't looking to get any smaller. In fact I've heard Skinners name come up on some of the local talk shows as someone they might move in order to bring in top veteran D talent.

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Very true. Like us the Canes aren't looking to get any smaller. In fact I've heard Skinners name come up on some of the local talk shows as someone they might move in order to bring in top veteran D talent.

That is very interesting, what do people think about Skinner, I like him, but what would he be worth from a Sabres standpoint?

 

P.s. It is nice to have so many former Buffalonians all over the country listening to other teams news and rumours.

 

Rangers are talking about getting rid of Mike Richards, he is sulking because he is no longer on the top line and can't seem to find his groove in the playoffs. I wouldn't touch him for the Sabres, too much of the kind the Sabres need to avoid as far as toughness. The hit by Kaleta may have done more damage to his fragile ego than we thought.

 

The Devils are in flux and there may be some opportunities there. Elias and Clarkson are free agents. Devils are said to be working on a contract with Clarkson, though he would be a nice addition to the Sabres. Elias is old, but gritty and could be had for a lot less if the Sabres were close to making a push, but probably not useful for a rebuilding team.

 

The Isle's will be looking for more D, but are developing and unlikely to make any big moves. However Captain Streit is a free agent as well as Nabakov and Boyes. Steit might be an interesting get for those wanting a number 1 D.

 

 

That is the report from my neck of the woods.

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Unless the talent is off the charts I would always prefer the best player for my team over the BPA. Looking at this years draft it looks as if Lindolm is a tier or two from the top prospects in this years draft class. I just can't imagine a player being compared with one of the all-time great players when he isn't even the top player in his draft class.

 

Thing is, aside from a few players each draft, these guys are 3 years aways from seeing the NHL. Drafting players you won't see for 3 years based on this year's needs is crazy. The draft should be viewed as acquiring assets, not filling needs on the current team.

 

Oh and you never answered the question about how you tier talent.

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I have been hearing Jeff Skinner for Marc Staal

 

Now that's a trade worth considering.

A real hockey trade, like Kassian for Hodgson.

I miss those kind of trades.

 

If either of those players are on the market, Darcy needs to be kicking the tires.

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Thing is, aside from a few players each draft, these guys are 3 years aways from seeing the NHL. Drafting players you won't see for 3 years based on this year's needs is crazy. The draft should be viewed as acquiring assets, not filling needs on the current team.

 

Oh and you never answered the question about how you tier talent.

LGR did a nice job on his layering of players. Not sure if mine would be too different. Maybe having Crosby, Stamkos and Ovechkin on a tier of their own. When I have the patience I'll write post one.

 

I don't believe I am arguing to fill current needs. I believe drafting a Lindholm qualifies as filling current needs. My stance is to define what it should mean to be a Buffalo Sabres and find players to fit that definition.

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Unless the talent is off the charts I would always prefer the best player for my team over the BPA. Looking at this years draft it looks as if Lindolm is a tier or two from the top prospects in this years draft class. I just can't imagine a player being compared with one of the all-time great players when he isn't even the top player in his draft class.

 

 

Vanek and the 8th pick is overpaying. Vanek straight-up for the 4th or 5th pick is an interesting proposition.

 

This would be a steal for the Sabres. Giving up Ennis to move up 11 sports and get an additional 2nd round pick would be awesome. That would be an impact move for the Sabres and a "we need to make the playoffs" move for the "Canes.

 

 

 

And for that 4th or 5th you are going to get a guy who is ready to score 25-40 in each of the next 6 years, playing with a 2 center and a good but undersized/non physical right wing.? You sign your talent imo .or you trade them for proven nhl level talent ..Unless we are talking elite talent in trading up , I would rather see him go in a package for a proven , nhl ready body with established offensive skills.I understand where you are coming from.but .it would be my last option...

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