LastPommerFan Posted September 29, 2014 Report Posted September 29, 2014 Speaking of Honus Wagner: Cal Ripken isn't the best SS of all time. Exactly, there is a legit argument that Wagner is #1 and Cal #2. There's a solid argument that the modern game is a lot more difficult for the SS so Cal would be #1 (which is why I conditioned it "last 100 years") There are zero arguments that Jeter is even in the top 5. Quote
Eleven Posted September 29, 2014 Author Report Posted September 29, 2014 Blah blah blah .276 career avg. Not bad for a shortstop. But GCoE might be overlooking Robin Yount Quote
LastPommerFan Posted September 29, 2014 Report Posted September 29, 2014 Not bad for a shortstop. But GCoE might be overlooking Robin Yount Couple of notes on Yount: He is the perfect example of why getting selected to play in the All-star game is a useless statistic. He played nearly half his games in the outfield, so, while he's not better than Cal, he's also not really competing for the top SS of All-Time title. Quote
Eleven Posted September 29, 2014 Author Report Posted September 29, 2014 Couple of notes on Yount: He is the perfect example of why getting selected to play in the All-star game is a useless statistic. He played nearly half his games in the outfield, so, while he's not better than Cal, he's also not really competing for the top SS of All-Time title. Then the only other possible one is Ozzie Smith. Because outside of those four (Wagner, Smith, Yount, Ripken Jr.) there isn't a better one. Quote
LastPommerFan Posted September 29, 2014 Report Posted September 29, 2014 Ozzie was probably the best fielding player at any position I have ever seen. just insane on the diamond. Quote
Weave Posted September 29, 2014 Report Posted September 29, 2014 Epic post tournament press conference after the Ryder Cup. Just wow. Quote
ubkev Posted September 30, 2014 Report Posted September 30, 2014 Ozzie was probably the best fielding player at any position I have ever seen. just insane on the diamond. See now this I will agree with. 100% Quote
LastPommerFan Posted September 30, 2014 Report Posted September 30, 2014 See now this I will agree with. 100% My brother and I used to make appointment television when the Cards would play the Cubs or Braves on WGN or TBS just to see him play. Sick sick sick. Quote
ubkev Posted September 30, 2014 Report Posted September 30, 2014 My brother and I used to make appointment television when the Cards would play the Cubs or Braves on WGN or TBS just to see him play. Sick sick sick. A buddy of mine is a cards fan. We watched all the time. Another buddy of mine and his 5 brothers and father are huge O's fans. I have had my fill of Cal, Cal and Billy! Oh and Albert Belle! ###### that guy! Quote
LastPommerFan Posted September 30, 2014 Report Posted September 30, 2014 A buddy of mine is a cards fan. We watched all the time. Another buddy of mine and his 5 brothers and father are huge O's fans. I have had my fill of Cal, Cal and Billy! Oh and Albert Belle! ###### that guy! I imagine being around O's fans a lot can be incredibly annoying regarding Cal, Jr. Billy is more comic relief than ballplayer in my book. To the bold, yeah, ##### that guy. Quote
ubkev Posted September 30, 2014 Report Posted September 30, 2014 I imagine being around O's fans a lot can be incredibly annoying regarding Cal, Jr. Billy is more comic relief than ballplayer in my book. To the bold, yeah, ##### that guy. Huge O's fans is an understatement. My buddy's first name is Brooks. Give ya one guess at who he's named after. Quote
LastPommerFan Posted September 30, 2014 Report Posted September 30, 2014 Huge O's fans is an understatement. My buddy's first name is Brooks. Give ya one guess at who he's named after. Awesome. I was 72 hours away from naming our third child Cal. He ended up being named after my Wife's Uncle who unexpectedly passed away a few days before he was born. Quote
Eleven Posted October 1, 2014 Author Report Posted October 1, 2014 I don't care if you don't like baseball. If you're missing this eighth inning, you are missing sports. Quote
Hoss Posted October 1, 2014 Report Posted October 1, 2014 (edited) Salvador Perez' at-bat was brutal. That was little league material. Just chopping. Ventura being brought into the game was just terrible managing, too. Hes made one relief appearance in his career. Go with the guys who have done it before... Edited October 1, 2014 by Tankalicious Quote
Eleven Posted October 1, 2014 Author Report Posted October 1, 2014 (edited) Salvador Perez' at-bat was brutal. That was little league material. Just chopping. Ventura being brought into the game was just terrible managing, too. Hes made one relief appearance in his career. Go with the guys who have done it before... They're the Royals. None of them have done anything before. Perez's at-bat was horrible. How can I turn off a one-run game in the ninth? I desperately want sleep, but yet... OK. I am not staying up for extras. I'll find out who lives to lose next round tomorrow. Edited October 1, 2014 by Eleven Quote
LastPommerFan Posted October 1, 2014 Report Posted October 1, 2014 Single-sac-steal-sac Baseball. Quote
Hoss Posted October 1, 2014 Report Posted October 1, 2014 (edited) Baseball was my first love, and it's the sport I play the best.... But I've grown to dislike it. It's fun for two and a half months a year (April, the second half of September and October). Also: the new system has to be so deflating. You've missed for 29 years just to make it and get bounced in a night? Yikes. ^^^ you're welcome, KC. Edited October 1, 2014 by Tankalicious Quote
shrader Posted October 1, 2014 Report Posted October 1, 2014 Baseball was my first love, and it's the sport I play the best.... But I've grown to dislike it. It's fun for two and a half months a year (April, the second half of September and October). I hope my kids play it some day like I did, but at this point, I have little to no interest in watching it. I can go to a game, but forget about watching it on TV. The games have become way too slow for me. It's probably cliche at this point hearing people complain about the rate that pitchers step off the mound and batters step out of the box, but that's really where the problem is. Baseball is approaching a time right now where if they handle things correctly, they could really gain a lot of ground thanks to the concussion issues that we will continue to hear about for years. That's not a serious threat to most baseball players. I hear a lot of random quotes about how kids aren't watching or playing the game as much today. This is the perfect time for the game to get them back. Hopefully they figure it out. Quote
LastPommerFan Posted October 1, 2014 Report Posted October 1, 2014 I hope my kids play it some day like I did, but at this point, I have little to no interest in watching it. I can go to a game, but forget about watching it on TV. The games have become way too slow for me. It's probably cliche at this point hearing people complain about the rate that pitchers step off the mound and batters step out of the box, but that's really where the problem is. Baseball is approaching a time right now where if they handle things correctly, they could really gain a lot of ground thanks to the concussion issues that we will continue to hear about for years. That's not a serious threat to most baseball players. I hear a lot of random quotes about how kids aren't watching or playing the game as much today. This is the perfect time for the game to get them back. Hopefully they figure it out. I would be greatly in favor of allowing the Umpire, at his discretion, warn and then penalize with a balk or out, a pitcher or batter using the step off/out as a method of delaying the game. Try it out in Spring Ball, then implement it the following year. The broadcasters would LOVE it. Quote
shrader Posted October 1, 2014 Report Posted October 1, 2014 I would be greatly in favor of allowing the Umpire, at his discretion, warn and then penalize with a balk or out, a pitcher or batter using the step off/out as a method of delaying the game. Try it out in Spring Ball, then implement it the following year. The broadcasters would LOVE it. Pitch clock. You'd need some sort of rule for the batters to go along with that though. Quote
ubkev Posted October 1, 2014 Report Posted October 1, 2014 Pitch clock. You'd need some sort of rule for the batters to go along with that though. That would give the base runners a huge edge on their jump. Plus, there would be more pitch outs instead of throw overs and step offs. Baseball is my favorite sport of all time. However, I'm pretty sure ESPN and their coverage of the Yankees and Red Sox over the past 15 years has been the driving force in 4 hour ball games. MLB loves the long games. More commercials. Quote
shrader Posted October 1, 2014 Report Posted October 1, 2014 That would give the base runners a huge edge on their jump. Plus, there would be more pitch outs instead of throw overs and step offs. Baseball is my favorite sport of all time. However, I'm pretty sure ESPN and their coverage of the Yankees and Red Sox over the past 15 years has been the driving force in 4 hour ball games. MLB loves the long games. More commercials. There must be some numbers out there somewhere about where the time wasting is coming from, either commercials or the drawn out at bat times. I'd be curious to see how that breaks down. Anyway, the concern about baserunners getting an advantage is a good one, but if you want to eliminate that as a pitcher, just get your pitch off quicker and they won't get to time anything. There's no denying though that they can get more ad revenue by extending these games. At some point though, if they are losing viewers, they're going to need to do things to draw people back. Otherwise that ad revenue will start to fall. Hopefully the league will be proactive because their time to strike could be coming very soon. Quote
Weave Posted October 1, 2014 Report Posted October 1, 2014 Baseball loves long games, but the networks surely don't. The networks want 3 hr games. Encroaching into that 4th hour deprives the network of their next revenue generating program. Quote
shrader Posted October 1, 2014 Report Posted October 1, 2014 Baseball loves long games, but the networks surely don't. The networks want 3 hr games. Encroaching into that 4th hour deprives the network of their next revenue generating program. But at the time they're starting these games lately, that next program is the 11 o'clock news. I can't picture those generating much revenue. That's the other common complaint that I'm sure we've all see about baseball, kids can't watch these late games. I know time zone factors in, but I was shocked this morning to see posts from after 11 talking about this game still ongoing. Quote
Hoss Posted October 1, 2014 Report Posted October 1, 2014 (edited) Ironic that this comes up now when the league announced this morning that they're testing new pace-of-play rules at the Arizona fall league. Some of them: -a batter must have at least one foot in the batters box throughout the entire at-bat. Exceptions include wild pitches, time, foul tips and foul balls. In those instances they can leave the box but now the dirt. -No-pitch intentional walks. A manager can signal to home plate that they're walking the guy. -2 minutes 5 seconds in between innings. If a batter isn't in the box within 1:45 of the last inning a strike will be called. If the batter is and the pitcher doesn't throw a pitch by 2:05 a ball will be called. -2:30 for a pitching change. -Only three timeout conferences per game. Edited October 1, 2014 by Tankalicious Quote
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