A whole mess of stuff

[spndnchz]

I'm not saying this in a snarky way, I'm saying this in an honest, info-seaking way:

 

Can somebody show me some evidence that Bobby Ryan has an attitude problem other than just saying it? I haven't heard much on it, I've heard minor things but never anything serious. Are there any outstanding incidents that someone could point me to?

Also, he definitely plays smaller than his frame should let him be, but I've seen him use his body in the corners before. If I remember right, he put Kaleta up against the boards in the corner in the first regular season game this year.

 

 

 

Is your name "spending cheese" without vowals and certain letters altered?

 

To add to this topic, Straw said that Buffalo offered Sekera, Adam and a first and were told no a while back. To me, that sounds like Straw has lurked this board or elsewhere for that idea, or maybe Darcy thinks along the same lines as many of us as that's similar to what some are saying.

 

I do think Stafford, Sekera, Adam and a first would be a good deal for both sides.

 

Big pimpin' baby.

[Hoss]

Vanek-Berglund-Grigorenko

Stafford-Ennis-Foligno

Ott-Hodgson-Pominville

 

Just my opinion: ABSOLUTELY no on Grigorenko at the wing. He's an elite talent up the middle. We can move Girgs, but not Grigorenko. I don't want to hear anything about him being able to make the transition quicker there. I'd rather wait a year and have him at center, then have him now at the wing. Berglund also isn't a number one center in my mind. Hodgson and Ennis will both be better than him in my opinion.

[spndnchz]

That could certainly be the case. I do think that if we miss out on Doan, we'll at least poke at Semin. Darcy never said he wasn't interested, just said he hadn't had any contact with his agent. He could very well be working under the assumption that Semin is going to be one of the final pieces to fall, and that he's looking for $$$ and nothing more. If that's the case, Buffalo could easily get in on him late and sweep him up.

 

What is everybody around here's opinion of getting Semin?

 

 

 

Personally, I'm strongly for it at the right price. Semin is lazy at times, sure, but as I said with Ryan, he produces on an elite level (aside from an off year this year) while being considered "lazy." He performed well in the playoffs prior to the last two seasons (could be attributed this year to not much ice time in Dale Hunter's system). I know most are against it, but I've always thought he has gotten severely underrated due to the talk about him.

 

#HockeyPlayerSexPositions He switches and gets on top, then starts slapping you - The Semin

[TrueBlueGED]

To me, yes he is. He's big and has been durable through four seasons. (I like Ennis a lot but I have a hard time ignoring his size and the fact that he weighs about 160 pounds.) Berglund scores goals but he can also kill penalties. He'll be 24 this year which means he's old enough to contribute now but young enough to be part of the "new core" we're turning the team over to.

 

He's also exactly the guy I want centering Vanek. We've seen Vanek play with a big center exactly once in his career -- the Luke Adam experiment to start last year -- and it went awesome. Otherwise, he's been the biggest player on his line the entire rest of his career. Berglund is big and strong enough to give him some room out there.

 

I also definitely think there's a way to get it done without dealing Ennis or Hodgson, although we'd be asking Regier to do something he's rarely been able to do: complete the "big" trade the Sabres perpetually assure us that they are working on. Any year now.....

 

If we went into the season like this:

Vanek-Berglund-Grigorenko

Stafford-Ennis-Foligno

Ott-Hodgson-Pominville

I'd be really happy. (And before anyone complains that I've put Hodgson and Pominville on the third line, I'm not numbering these lines. We'd roll the top 3. Our no.1 would be whoever our opponents decide to put their top pair against.)

 

Anyways, back to the rumor mill and waiting for anything exciting to happen.

 

I'm not even certain they'd want a center coming back....as I understand it, they're looking to add defense if anything. Which, if true, makes them a much better trading partner than the Ducks. Sekera for Berglund could make some sense for both teams.

 

 

What is everybody around here's opinion of getting Semin?

 

Personally, I'm strongly for it at the right price. Semin is lazy at times, sure, but as I said with Ryan, he produces on an elite level (aside from an off year this year) while being considered "lazy." He performed well in the playoffs prior to the last two seasons (could be attributed this year to not much ice time in Dale Hunter's system). I know most are against it, but I've always thought he has gotten severely underrated due to the talk about him.

 

If Semin "at the right price" were possible, he'd have an NHL contract by now.

 

 

Just my opinion: ABSOLUTELY no on Grigorenko at the wing. He's an elite talent up the middle. We can move Girgs, but not Grigorenko. I don't want to hear anything about him being able to make the transition quicker there. I'd rather wait a year and have him at center, then have him now at the wing. Berglund also isn't a number one center in my mind. Hodgson and Ennis will both be better than him in my opinion.

 

Starting a center on the wing is a common, and effective, practice. Particularly in a system like Ruff's which requires a ton of defensive responsibility, Grigorenko is likely to start on the wing even if he has another year in juniors. It just makes sense to do it.

[sabres13]

I don't want semin on the team even for the right price. Buffalo is finally moving away from the players that are lazy and signing semin would be a step backwards.

[Robviously]

I'm not even certain they'd want a center coming back....as I understand it, they're looking to add defense if anything. Which, if true, makes them a much better trading partner than the Ducks. Sekera for Berglund could make some sense for both teams.

That's where we started on page 1 of this thread. Weave found a link (or thread or something) that said the Blues would also want a center going back to replace Berglund (if they traded him). To me, the Blues have a guy we should really want and the Sabres have defense, which the Blues want. This should be happening.

[sabres13]

Personally I like how berglund plays and would love to see him in blue in gold.

[TrueBlueGED]

That's where we started on page 1 of this thread. Weave found a link (or thread or something) that said the Blues would also want a center going back to replace Berglund (if they traded him). To me, the Blues have a guy we should really want and the Sabres have defense, which the Blues want. This should be happening.

 

Obviously Blues fans would know their roster better than I would, but unless the team moves both Backes and Oshie to the wing permanently, I don't see why they'd need a #2 center coming back (given Schwartz is pretty much a lock to make the team).

[Hoss]

#HockeyPlayerSexPositions He switches and gets on top, then starts slapping you - The Semin

 

Saw that on twitter and thought it was pretty hilarious. My friend just tweeted:

#HockeyPlayerSexPositions Give it to her like she's never had it before and she gets the R.J. Umberger face.

 

But if we get Semin, there should be a clause stating that his contract can be voided if he ever slaps someone.

[drnkirishone]

What's to fear? That Enroth might suck? Miller might suck. Lindy's replacement might suck, too. Sometimes you gotta find out what's out there.

 

Are you ###### high? whats to fear? you are ok with shipping out Miller when Enroth has played 41 NHL games and no other goalie in our system even has 1 game. I understand some think goaltending doesn't matter but damn that is just ridiculas. The only way I am ok with shipping Miller out of town is if we get a experienced goalie back to take over if/when Enroth falls apart.

 

Also thank you for once again sneaking in your agenda into a conversation that wasn't about that.

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

Big pimpin' baby.

 

$natch

[Hoss]

For the record, a LEGITIMATE source (Joe Yerdon of PHT) just said he doesn't think we make any other moves all offseason and go into the season as is.

So people are reading this wrong... I'm not saying that Joe Yerdon's comment absolutely means nothing will happen. Just saying he is a guy in the know who made the comment, it's worth noting. Not sure how this could be read differently.

 

 

And a Philly reporter said that Philly and Anaheim are in talks on a deal for Ryan, and that Anaheim is asking for Sean Couturier.

[RazielSabre]

For the record, a LEGITIMATE source (Joe Yerdon of PHT) just said he doesn't think we make any other moves all offseason and go into the season as is.

 

 

And a Philly reporter said that Philly and Anaheim are in talks on a deal for Ryan, and that Anaheim is asking for Sean Couturier.

 

Philly are in more need of a teambuilding exercise than Nash, Ryan, Suter or Weber. Surely they learnt from NYR (early 00's) and LA (last season) that a group of skilled guys doesn't make a cup winner, a team does. Meh no skin off of my nose.

[TrueBlueGED]

For the record, a LEGITIMATE source (Joe Yerdon of PHT) just said he doesn't think we make any other moves all offseason and go into the season as is.

 

 

And a Philly reporter said that Philly and Anaheim are in talks on a deal for Ryan, and that Anaheim is asking for Sean Couturier.

 

If Philly wouldn't trade Couturier in a package for Weber, I can't see them trading him for Ryan. And even if they did, I don't think that makes the team any better....if anything it makes them worse defensively than they were in the first place, which was already their main problem.

[Iron Crotch]

For the record, a LEGITIMATE source (Joe Yerdon of PHT) just said he doesn't think we make any other moves all offseason and go into the season as is.

 

 

Is it really "news" if you state the most obvious outcome? This same statement (unlikely to make any more moves) could be made for almost any team in the league.

[shrader]

Is it really "news" if you state the most obvious outcome? This same statement (unlikely to make any more moves) could be made for almost any team in the league.

 

Yeah, a thought really isn't much to go on. It is simply his opinion. He's not as in tune with the GMs as your Dregers and McKenzies are, so he doesn't have that quick source to run to and find out whether or not Darcy is talking to anyone.

[darksabre]

For the record, a LEGITIMATE source (Joe Yerdon of PHT) just said he doesn't think we make any other moves all offseason and go into the season as is.

 

 

And a Philly reporter said that Philly and Anaheim are in talks on a deal for Ryan, and that Anaheim is asking for Sean Couturier.

 

Oh boy, it's Joe Yerdon's OPINION that the Sabres are done.

 

WHO CARES?

[Punch]

Holmgren just spoke with the Philly media, said Voracek is close to signing, and also:

 

Holmgren also hinted that the Bobby Ryan talks are not dead.

The GM said Shane Doan wants to remain in Phoenix, but that if he has a change of heart, the Flyers have interest.

 

Holmgren said he envisions Voracek on a line with Claude Giroux.

 

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inqflyersreport/163703596.html

[RazielSabre]

Holmgren just spoke with the Philly media, said Voracek is close to signing, and also:

 

Holmgren also hinted that the Bobby Ryan talks are not dead.

The GM said Shane Doan wants to remain in Phoenix, but that if he has a change of heart, the Flyers have interest.

 

Holmgren said he envisions Voracek on a line with Claude Giroux.

 

http://www.philly.co.../163703596.html

 

Philly have interest in everyone, if they think 1 more trade will solve all of their problems good for them. I, for one, really don't think that'll even begin to help.

[deluca67]

If Philly wouldn't trade Couturier in a package for Weber, I can't see them trading him for Ryan. And even if they did, I don't think that makes the team any better....if anything it makes them worse defensively than they were in the first place, which was already their main problem.

I can't imagine the Flyers trading Couturier under any circumstance. IMO, if he continues to improve he will be a star in the league.

[Punch]

If Philly wouldn't trade Couturier in a package for Weber, I can't see them trading him for Ryan. And even if they did, I don't think that makes the team any better....if anything it makes them worse defensively than they were in the first place, which was already their main problem.

Philly have interest in everyone, if they think 1 more trade will solve all of their problems good for them. I, for one, really don't think that'll even begin to help.

 

I suppose if they can pry away Ryan for Matt Read then he'd be an upgrade--- but moving one of either Schenn or Coutourier would be a net loss in my opinion. Philly needs to upgrade their defense and trading an excellent young defensive center like Coutourier for another scoring winger makes little sense.

[gohansrage]

I suppose if they can pry away Ryan for Matt Read then he'd be an upgrade--- but moving one of either Schenn or Coutourier would be a net loss in my opinion. Philly needs to upgrade their defense and trading an excellent young defensive center like Coutourier for another scoring winger who plays very little defense makes little sense.

 

 

I fixed that for you.

 

I actually agree with everyone who thinks Ryan to Philly makes no sense. Didn't they have an uber talented winger who played little defense and have a bad attitude?

[Stoner]

Are you ###### high? whats to fear? you are ok with shipping out Miller when Enroth has played 41 NHL games and no other goalie in our system even has 1 game. I understand some think goaltending doesn't matter but damn that is just ridiculas. The only way I am ok with shipping Miller out of town is if we get a experienced goalie back to take over if/when Enroth falls apart.

 

Also thank you for once again sneaking in your agenda into a conversation that wasn't about that.

You're the one who brought it up, senator.

 

That's the difference between you and a lot of fans and me. I'm not content with missing the playoffs most seasons, or going out in the first round, while praying at the altar of supposed elites like Lindy and Millsie. I'm willing to risk shipping them out to see if we can do better. I don't need a goalie in return, I need a part that gets us closer to contending status.

[Robviously]

You're the one who brought it up, senator.

 

That's the difference between you and a lot of fans and me. I'm not content with missing the playoffs most seasons, or going out in the first round, while praying at the altar of supposed elites like Lindy and Millsie. I'm willing to risk shipping them out to see if we can do better. I don't need a goalie in return, I need a part that gets us closer to contending status.

I'd still love to know what the plan is for the Sabres and Miller. He's 32 years old and signed for two more seasons. Are we trying to win with Miller or trying to build a team that can win in 2-3 years (when Miller is either gone or past his prime)? If we're not trying to win with Miller, we should trade him for something that WILL help us win (eventually). If that means Enroth is our no.1 this year, then so be it.

 

I also don't understand what Miller wants. His window of opportunity is closing. Does he really want to spend the next couple years in Buffalo hoping that a young, half-rebuilding team can suddenly contend? I would completely understand if he wanted out. [All speculation on my part. I'm not starting rumors.]

[thesportsbuff]

I'd still love to know what the plan is for the Sabres and Miller. He's 32 years old and signed for two more seasons. Are we trying to win with Miller or trying to build a team that can win in 2-3 years (when Miller is either gone or past his prime)? If we're not trying to win with Miller, we should trade him for something that WILL help us win (eventually). If that means Enroth is our no.1 this year, then so be it.

 

I also don't understand what Miller wants. His window of opportunity is closing. Does he really want to spend the next couple years in Buffalo hoping that a young, half-rebuilding team can suddenly contend? I would completely understand if he wanted out. [All speculation on my part. I'm not starting rumors.]

 

I wouldn't say we're half-rebuilding, I'd say half-rebuilt. I don't think we're in a rebuilding process at all. Vanek, Pommer, Miller, Ennis, Hodgson, Ott, Myers, Regehr, etc etc.. these guys aren't going anywhere. Other than maybe a couple of our bubble defenseman, I don't think there's a player on the roster that Darcy is actively shopping... that's not to say he wouldn't trade Stafford + for Bobby Ryan if the opportunity presented itself, but it's not like we're desperate to trade all of our players and start over. We're one impact player away from being a contender.