LGR4GM Posted July 25, 2012 Report Posted July 25, 2012 Ennis' size, ok I can understand that concern. ability to stay healthy? I believe or resident Liger already addressed this, but you're kidding right? The only time out of the line up was a severe ankle sprain after a freak run in with a goal post. it could've happened to anyone. You truly are picking things out of the air that help your argument any way possible, aren't you? And Stafford and Hodgson are NOWHERE near being the same!! Well I wasnt going to chime in but when you invoke my name I feel i must. I don't have a problem with Ennis, besides the size and ability to stay healthy. I see Stafford and Hodgson and I see the exact same player. I would rather they were playing for another team. Prove to me that Tyler Ennis has a problem staying healthy... o wait you can't. Go slide into a goal post ankle first at about 50mph and let me know if your ankle is ok after that. Anyone who thinks Ennis has an injury problem does not watch Sabres Hockey on a regular basis and has no bleeping clue what they are talking about. O and Hodgson the Roookie didn't carry the team? no fooling. Hodgson has a lot to prove but IMHO he has another 2 years to prove it. He is not even close to Stafford and even if he turns out to be like him we couldn't make that call for at least another season. Does that get them to contender status or just into the playoffs? I'll make this simple. Obtaining two top six forwards gets them into the playoffs. To be a Cup Contender is more of a long range plan that does not include Miller, Vanek or Poninville remaining on the team. I would keep going with the what the Sabres have started this off-season. Eliminating the "Core" and inundating the franchise with size and toughness. idk who Poninville is but I dont want him. Jason Pominville on the other hand is probably one of the top 2 way forwards in the game. You simply do not find many 68pt a year players that can play in every situation and provide exquisite play in both ends. Not to mention a guy who leads by example is solid is a rock when it comes to injuries and on top of that is money in a shootout.... FYI Bobby Ryan gets more goals but less points that pommers and is more of a liability on the ice an he makes the same... But you are right Jason Pominville a top Forward on any team in the entire league should be sent packing, because we have... ummm... wait thats right we dont have anyone to replace him. In short dear fellow sabres fan: Tyler Ennis is not injury prone. Jason Pominville is a top forward.
drnkirishone Posted July 25, 2012 Report Posted July 25, 2012 You just gave me a great idea. I can solve the gun problem in this country. Each application for a gun license must be filled out in person and if a word is misspelled that person is disqualied from owning a gun for 4 years. Freaking genius. Thanks. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: i would bring my dictionary and not fill it out on my phone then lol
RazielSabre Posted July 25, 2012 Report Posted July 25, 2012 i would bring my dictionary and not fill it out on my phone then lol How about banning guns completely? Not like they can do much other than shoot at something/someone. [/controversy]
LGR4GM Posted July 25, 2012 Report Posted July 25, 2012 How about banning guns completely? Not like they can do much other than shoot at something/someone. [/controversy] we should ban the airport plaza jewelers commercials because they suck and are annoying
RazielSabre Posted July 25, 2012 Report Posted July 25, 2012 we should ban the airport plaza jewelers commercials because they suck and are annoying Annoyingly I haven't had the cash to make exotic trips away so I wouldn't know :(. Still I can well believe you.
deluca67 Posted July 25, 2012 Report Posted July 25, 2012 Well I wasnt going to chime in but when you invoke my name I feel i must. Prove to me that Tyler Ennis has a problem staying healthy... o wait you can't. Go slide into a goal post ankle first at about 50mph and let me know if your ankle is ok after that. Anyone who thinks Ennis has an injury problem does not watch Sabres Hockey on a regular basis and has no bleeping clue what they are talking about. O and Hodgson the Roookie didn't carry the team? no fooling. Hodgson has a lot to prove but IMHO he has another 2 years to prove it. He is not even close to Stafford and even if he turns out to be like him we couldn't make that call for at least another season. idk who Poninville is but I dont want him. Jason Pominville on the other hand is probably one of the top 2 way forwards in the game. You simply do not find many 68pt a year players that can play in every situation and provide exquisite play in both ends. Not to mention a guy who leads by example is solid is a rock when it comes to injuries and on top of that is money in a shootout.... FYI Bobby Ryan gets more goals but less points that pommers and is more of a liability on the ice an he makes the same... But you are right Jason Pominville a top Forward on any team in the entire league should be sent packing, because we have... ummm... wait thats right we dont have anyone to replace him. In short dear fellow sabres fan: Tyler Ennis is not injury prone. Jason Pominville is a top forward. That is why i said Pominville is one of the two top six forwards currently on the roster. He is no Bobby Ryan. Ryan is a legit NHL goal scorer. As far as being a liability, Pominville is 1 career +40 and Ryan is a career +37. Pominville is a better penalty killer, I'll trade that for a younger more physical player every day. Hodgson? It's not about carrying the team, it's about showing up when it matters. But go ahead and make it about everything other then my initial point. We'll see about Ennis. He's a small player in what's becoming a big man's game. Right, entire team without our vets, mostly rookies, no experience.......... not to mention they'd all be coming into contract years at the same time so DR would have to trade half of them because there's no way to afford each players' 2nd contract at the same time. All that is just as close to being contenders as this years team? That complete rebuild process........ how's that working out for you New York and Edmonton? Both teams are loaded with great young talent. They're in a great position. I'd take either group of forwards over what the Sabres have right now.
TrueBlueGED Posted July 25, 2012 Report Posted July 25, 2012 That is why i said Pominville is one of the two top six forwards currently on the roster. He is no Bobby Ryan. Ryan is a legit NHL goal scorer. As far as being a liability, Pominville is 1 career +40 and Ryan is a career +37. Pominville is a better penalty killer, I'll trade that for a younger more physical player every day. Hodgson? It's not about carrying the team, it's about showing up when it matters. But go ahead and make it about everything other then my initial point. We'll see about Ennis. He's a small player in what's becoming a big man's game. You do realize that your entire argument is based on a handful of games as a sample size, right? And you realize how completely ridiculous it is to say he doesn't show up when it counts based on that sample size, right? Edit: And despite all of the offensive talent on the Islanders and Oilers....they still stink. Edit #2: Your size argument against Ennis can easily be used against Enroth, whom you have already anointed a very good goaltender and want to see as the starter.
LGR4GM Posted July 25, 2012 Report Posted July 25, 2012 That is why i said Pominville is one of the two top six forwards currently on the roster. He is no Bobby Ryan. Ryan is a legit NHL goal scorer. As far as being a liability, Pominville is 1 career +40 and Ryan is a career +37. Pominville is a better penalty killer, I'll trade that for a younger more physical player every day. Hodgson? It's not about carrying the team, it's about showing up when it matters. But go ahead and make it about everything other then my initial point. We'll see about Ennis. He's a small player in what's becoming a big man's game. SO Jason Pominville is what? a legit NHL what? 0.797 ppga is Pommers and 0.780ppga is Ryan. You are right Pommers is no Ryan, he is better and is more consistent even though he has not played a season in 5 years with a quality NHL center. I'd trade physical inconsistent for hard working consistency every day... aka i would trade Ryan for Pommers but not the other way around. You can feel free to disagree, I would rather have the steady "soft" yet hardworking pominville over the "hard" whiny Ryan. Showing up when it counts is carrying. Hodgson the Rookie didn't show up... nor did anyone else. Still 41pts for a Rookie is very solid. Sorry he doesn't measure up to the "Deluca" standard. Hey just out of curiosity where was Bobby Ryan when his team missed the playoffs? Ennis size wasnt the point. His health was... what was it you said to me? O yea, "But go ahead and make it about everything other then my initial point." in Summary: Pominville is better than Ryan and more hits does not a better hockey player make. Hodgson was a rookie and had 20 games here last season so throwing him to the wolves is a dick move. Tyler Ennis slid into a goal post, let me repeat that, Tyler Ennis slid into a goal post, let me repeat that,Tyler Ennis slid into a goal post, let me repeat that,Tyler Ennis slid into a goal post, let me repeat that,Tyler Ennis slid into a goal post, let me repeat that,Tyler Ennis slid into a goal post, let me repeat that,Tyler Ennis slid into a goal post, let me repeat that,Tyler Ennis slid into a goal post, let me repeat that,Tyler Ennis slid into a goal post, let me repeat that,Tyler Ennis slid into a goal post, let me repeat that,Tyler Ennis slid into a goal post, let me repeat that,Tyler Ennis slid into a goal post, let me repeat that,Tyler Ennis slid into a goal post, let me repeat that,Tyler Ennis slid into a goal post, let me repeat that,Tyler Ennis slid into a goal post, let me repeat that, everyone clear? Sadly I have a very important interview to continue comparing for, so enjoy gentlemen and ladies, this conversation is superfluous.
gohansrage Posted July 25, 2012 Report Posted July 25, 2012 I could be wrong, but I don't think DeLuca is saying Pominville is bad. He is saying Pominville isn't his type of player. Is that wrong?
JJFIVEOH Posted July 25, 2012 Report Posted July 25, 2012 That is why i said Pominville is one of the two top six forwards currently on the roster. He is no Bobby Ryan. Ryan is a legit NHL goal scorer. As far as being a liability, Pominville is 1 career +40 and Ryan is a career +37. Pominville is a better penalty killer, I'll trade that for a younger more physical player every day. Both teams are loaded with great young talent. They're in a great position. I'd take either group of forwards over what the Sabres have right now. Didn't you say 'Not every top six forward is a top six forward based on goal scoring'? Comparison of +- of players from different teams is about as useful as comparing trucks to pants. Great teams are more than just forwards. They're going to have to trade offense to get goaltending and D, then they'll be right back to square 1. And they haven't even made the playoffs yet. I could be wrong, but I don't think DeLuca is saying Pominville is bad. He is saying Pominville isn't his type of player. Is that wrong? Probably, every Sabre sucks in his mind. The way he speaks about them it's tough not to think that.
nfreeman Posted July 26, 2012 Report Posted July 26, 2012 Sadly I have a very important interview to continue comparing for, so enjoy gentlemen and ladies, this conversation is superfluous. Pominville is a good player. I would trade him for Ryan though, if for no other reason than to continue the purge of the failed "leadership group" that has been a huge disappointment since Black Sunday. And good luck on your interview. Think about the likely questions, practice your answers, and show enthusiasm and appreciation for the opportunity. You will do well.
LGR4GM Posted July 26, 2012 Report Posted July 26, 2012 Pominville is a good player. I would trade him for Ryan though, if for no other reason than to continue the purge of the failed "leadership group" that has been a huge disappointment since Black Sunday. And good luck on your interview. Think about the likely questions, practice your answers, and show enthusiasm and appreciation for the opportunity. You will do well. thank you, and I understand why Deluca would like to see Jason, Thomas, an Ryan leave I just think it would be a mistake to jettison all three (or not resign at least 1)
sabres13 Posted July 26, 2012 Report Posted July 26, 2012 thank you, and I understand why Deluca would like to see Jason, Thomas, an Ryan leave I just think it would be a mistake to jettison all three (or not resign at least 1) I would like Buffalo to re-sign Jason and Ryan because both of those players are essential piece to a team. Pommer is a consistent point getter and will help the rookies along. I agree he wasn't a great captain but he was a decent one. Ryan miller is just a solid goaltender and if we get rid of him we are going to be in a Toronto type cluster f$&@. Thomas Vanek would be ok to keep but we can do better than him. He's one of those meh players on the team. In which I mean when he's hot he looks like an elite player but when he's cold, he's cold for a long time.
JJFIVEOH Posted July 26, 2012 Report Posted July 26, 2012 Vanek has been the best goal scorer we've had for the last 6 years. The only time I see him go thorugh long stretches of droughts is when he's hurt. The only difference between him and everybody else is he plays through it because usually by that point in the season we're relying on him to carry the team as usual. I think with some added size this year it'll open him up to produce.
dudacek Posted July 26, 2012 Report Posted July 26, 2012 Pominville has the look and feel of a lifetime Sabre. I think he will want to re-up and I think this management group will want to keep him. I think Vanek's desire to stay will depend largely on how the team does in the last years of his deal, not just wins and losses, but his role in them. I like him, but would not be surprised if he is traded before his contract is over, either because he doesn't re-sign early, or because he is the piece used to get something else. Miller is a little different. Unlike some here, I have never perceived him as being unhappy in Buffalo - unhappy with the media yes, but never with the franchise or the city. There is every chance he will be remembered as an all-time Sabre. But If we miss the playoffs next year, that could change things.
Robviously Posted July 26, 2012 Report Posted July 26, 2012 Vanek has been the best goal scorer we've had for the last 6 years. The only time I see him go thorugh long stretches of droughts is when he's hurt. The only difference between him and everybody else is he plays through it because usually by that point in the season we're relying on him to carry the team as usual. I think with some added size this year it'll open him up to produce. He's no.7 on the Sabres' list of goal-scorers all-time. He's ahead of Rene Friggin' Robert. But, of course, our goofy fans can't find a reason to like the guy.
billsrcursed Posted July 26, 2012 Report Posted July 26, 2012 You just gave me a great idea. I can solve the gun problem in this country. Each application for a gun license must be filled out in person and if a word is misspelled that person is disqualied from owning a gun for 4 years. Freaking genius. Thanks. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: Looks like you've been *disqualified.
nfreeman Posted July 26, 2012 Report Posted July 26, 2012 He's no.7 on the Sabres' list of goal-scorers all-time. He's ahead of Rene Friggin' Robert. But, of course, our goofy fans can't find a reason to like the guy. For $50MM, he needs to do better than 6 goals in 34 games when his team is scratching and clawing to get into the playoffs. That's just the truth.
Two or less Posted July 26, 2012 Report Posted July 26, 2012 Vanek has been the best goal scorer we've had for the last 6 years. The only time I see him go thorugh long stretches of droughts is when he's hurt. The only difference between him and everybody else is he plays through it because usually by that point in the season we're relying on him to carry the team as usual. I think with some added size this year it'll open him up to produce. I'm as big of a Thomas Vanek fan as anyone, i love everything about him. But, he does go through droughts. And the difference is between other stars who go through droughts and Vanek, he when goes through them, he's almost invisible. Last season, to end the season, he scored 8 goals in the final 43 games (From Dec 30th til end of season). For a player, who is supposed to be a leader, a veteran, and a $7+ million/year player, that is not acceptable.
TrueBlueGED Posted July 26, 2012 Report Posted July 26, 2012 He's no.7 on the Sabres' list of goal-scorers all-time. He's ahead of Rene Friggin' Robert. But, of course, our goofy fans can't find a reason to like the guy. He doesn't hit, therefore he sucks. Sound about right? For $50MM, he needs to do better than 6 goals in 34 games when his team is scratching and clawing to get into the playoffs. That's just the truth. To be fair, he did have 11 points in the final 10 games (perhaps not-so-coincidentally, after he got paired with Hodgson).
Robviously Posted July 26, 2012 Report Posted July 26, 2012 For $50MM, he needs to do better than 6 goals in 34 games when his team is scratching and clawing to get into the playoffs. That's just the truth. Never mind that he was playing through multiple injuries during that span. I guess not all parts of the "truth" are worth mentioning..... :rolleyes:
dudacek Posted July 26, 2012 Report Posted July 26, 2012 I'm looking forward to seeing what the pair can do this year. (Especially with Doan riding shotgun.)
... Posted July 26, 2012 Report Posted July 26, 2012 From the games I watched him play. I would like see the kid get a real strong extended look at some point. I know many disagree, IMO, it is due to the fear of the unknown. I feel I have a really good grasp on who Ryan Miller is as a goalie and frankly I think now is a good time for a change. I don't disagree with any of this. Considering all of the changes to the roster, and enthusiasm for the kids in the system, this could be the better season to experiment with the goalie situation.
darksabre Posted July 26, 2012 Report Posted July 26, 2012 I don't disagree with any of this. Considering all of the changes to the roster, and enthusiasm for the kids in the system, this could be the better season to experiment with the goalie situation. I disagree. Stability in net is what you want with rookies and young players on the ice. They should be worried about playing their game, not whether or not the question mark in net is going to suck a fat one every game.
JJFIVEOH Posted July 26, 2012 Report Posted July 26, 2012 For $50MM, he needs to do better than 6 goals in 34 games when his team is scratching and clawing to get into the playoffs. That's just the truth. He could have just watched the game from the press box due to injuries like the rest of the team during that period, but he didn't. That's just the truth. Never mind that he was playing through multiple injuries during that span. I guess not all parts of the "truth" are worth mentioning..... :rolleyes: Oops, you already had that covered. ;)
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