Guest Sloth Posted July 24, 2012 Report Posted July 24, 2012 Colorado currently has three people on death row and the last execution occurred in 1997. Carol Chambers, district attorney, informed the press her office is considering the death penalty. Part of the decision will involve interviews w/ the victims families. If they pursue the death penalty, it will lengthen the judicial process.
shrader Posted July 24, 2012 Report Posted July 24, 2012 Colorado currently has three people on death row and the last execution occurred in 1997. Carol Chambers, district attorney, informed the press her office is considering the death penalty. Part of the decision will involve interviews w/ the victims families. If they pursue the death penalty, it will lengthen the judicial process. I don't think the families should have much input on that decision. Unless it comes out unanimous, why should one death have any more or less sway than any of the others?
Weave Posted July 24, 2012 Report Posted July 24, 2012 I don't think the families should have much input on that decision. Unless it comes out unanimous, why should one death have any more or less sway than any of the others? I caught a quote with the DA indicating that she will ask the victims families because a deathy penalty persuit results in a longer, more drawn out process and she wanted to get the families thoughts on whether or not they are receptive to dealing with the long drawn out death penalty process. It sounds like the DA is sympathetic to the families and using that as her motivation for her decision.
shrader Posted July 24, 2012 Report Posted July 24, 2012 I caught a quote with the DA indicating that she will ask the victims families because a deathy penalty persuit results in a longer, more drawn out process and she wanted to get the families thoughts on whether or not they are receptive to dealing with the long drawn out death penalty process. It sounds like the DA is sympathetic to the families and using that as her motivation for her decision. From that angle it makes sense. I just have no idea how you decide if it comes down to a near split in the minds of the families. No matter what they decide, there will be a lot of grumbling about the decision. You have not only the families of the dead, but also all of those other victims and their families as well. It just seems like an invitation for even more pain and suffering for a lot of people.
Weave Posted July 24, 2012 Report Posted July 24, 2012 From that angle it makes sense. I just have no idea how you decide if it comes down to a near split in the minds of the families. No matter what they decide, there will be a lot of grumbling about the decision. You have not only the families of the dead, but also all of those other victims and their families as well. It just seems like an invitation for even more pain and suffering for a lot of people. At the end of the day, the DA still has to make a decision based on what she thinks best represents justice. I suspect she's not doing this with a democratic vote, rather she's just trying to get a feel for what the families thoughts are.
LastPommerFan Posted July 24, 2012 Author Report Posted July 24, 2012 Really interesting Article about violence in the United States from a Canadian perspective: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/opinion/columnists/feel+like+America+going+hell/6976658/story.html The article points out that just based on population, the US should expect 5-10 times more violence than any other developed nation.
K-9 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Posted July 24, 2012 It was good enough for the writers of the Bill of Rights. Not that many of the founders actually took up arms back in the day, but I doubt that they'd find their muskets and powder horns very useful today. But they were smart enough to anticipate that.
gohansrage Posted July 24, 2012 Report Posted July 24, 2012 Really interesting Article about violence in the United States from a Canadian perspective: http://www.ottawacit...6658/story.html The article points out that just based on population, the US should expect 5-10 times more violence than any other developed nation. Thank you for the link. I really enjoyed that article.
dEnnis the Menace Posted July 24, 2012 Report Posted July 24, 2012 I know this may ignite a firestorm...but here's an interesting read *ducks and covers*
darksabre Posted July 24, 2012 Report Posted July 24, 2012 I know this may ignite a firestorm...but here's an interesting read *ducks and covers* All I'm going to say on that story is Bloomberg is an idiot.
dEnnis the Menace Posted July 24, 2012 Report Posted July 24, 2012 All I'm going to say on that story is Bloomberg is an idiot. Him and the NY Times! I love when people argue for or against something with made up facts :doh:
gohansrage Posted July 24, 2012 Report Posted July 24, 2012 I know this may ignite a firestorm...but here's an interesting read *ducks and covers* As someone who doesnt' live in NYC, I find myself caring very little about what Michael Bloomberg says or does
Campy Posted July 24, 2012 Report Posted July 24, 2012 I had posted that a colleague's best friend's daughter was shot. As it turns out, the gas cannister exploded immediately in front of her opening a 5 1/2" hole in her abdomen and ripping apart her stomach. Her boyfriend and his father, both of whom were shot in their arms, put her organs back in her while the chaos insued and held them in place while awaiting help. Shot from the shotgun ripped through her wrist and calf. Her wrist is broken, she's missing a big chunk of meat from her calf, but her stomach has been surgically reparied and her abdomen stitched up. Bets of all, while she is still in the ICU, she is doing much better and should be moved out of ICU after the weekend. Just thought some of you who read it would want the update.
nobody Posted July 24, 2012 Report Posted July 24, 2012 Him and the NY Times! I love when people argue for or against something with made up facts :doh: 58% of Americans believe that it is OK to make up facts if it helps to make their case.
Claude_Verret Posted July 24, 2012 Report Posted July 24, 2012 I had posted that a colleague's best friend's daughter was shot. As it turns out, the gas cannister exploded immediately in front of her opening a 5 1/2" hole in her abdomen and ripping apart her stomach. Her boyfriend and his father, both of whom were shot in their arms, put her organs back in her while the chaos insued and held them in place while awaiting help. Shot from the shotgun ripped through her wrist and calf. Her wrist is broken, she's missing a big chunk of meat from her calf, but her stomach has been surgically reparied and her abdomen stitched up. Bets of all, while she is still in the ICU, she is doing much better and should be moved out of ICU after the weekend. Just thought some of you who read it would want the update. Damn. Sounds like her biggest hurdle now is the risk of infection. Prayers for her and all the other victims and families.
darksabre Posted July 24, 2012 Report Posted July 24, 2012 I had posted that a colleague's best friend's daughter was shot. As it turns out, the gas cannister exploded immediately in front of her opening a 5 1/2" hole in her abdomen and ripping apart her stomach. Her boyfriend and his father, both of whom were shot in their arms, put her organs back in her while the chaos insued and held them in place while awaiting help. Shot from the shotgun ripped through her wrist and calf. Her wrist is broken, she's missing a big chunk of meat from her calf, but her stomach has been surgically reparied and her abdomen stitched up. Bets of all, while she is still in the ICU, she is doing much better and should be moved out of ICU after the weekend. Just thought some of you who read it would want the update. I'll keep my fingers crossed for her, that's a lot of damage for one person to take. :(
JJFIVEOH Posted July 24, 2012 Report Posted July 24, 2012 All I'm going to say on that story is Bloomberg is an idiot. As someone who doesnt' live in NYC, I find myself caring very little about what Michael Bloomberg says or does Yes he is! It's their own fault they keep voting him in. I caught a quote with the DA indicating that she will ask the victims families because a deathy penalty persuit results in a longer, more drawn out process and she wanted to get the families thoughts on whether or not they are receptive to dealing with the long drawn out death penalty process. It sounds like the DA is sympathetic to the families and using that as her motivation for her decision. From that angle it makes sense. I just have no idea how you decide if it comes down to a near split in the minds of the families. No matter what they decide, there will be a lot of grumbling about the decision. You have not only the families of the dead, but also all of those other victims and their families as well. It just seems like an invitation for even more pain and suffering for a lot of people. If this doesn't warrant the death penalty, I don't know what does! It should be up to the justice system to determine whether or not to use the death penalty. If they want input, maybe they should ask the tax payers whether or not they want to pay to keep this worthless POS in prison for the rest of his life.
shrader Posted July 24, 2012 Report Posted July 24, 2012 That is some scary stuff right there, campy. Best of wishes to her and her family+friends.
Guest Sloth Posted July 25, 2012 Report Posted July 25, 2012 Not saying our country should do away w/ the death penalty, but many 1st world countries no longer practice it. Don't forget many of our States, 12 from I can recall, do not use capital punishment. No country in the European Union has the death penalty. Countries and territories still using capital punishment include Afghanistan, the Bahamas, China, Cuba, Egypt, India, Iran, Iraq, Jamaica, Japan, Jordan, North and South Korea, Libya, Malaysia, Pakistan, Rwanda, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Sudan, Syria, Thailand, Uganda, and Vietnam. It is some what uneasy to think the United States shares the same belief on such a heated debate as some of the countries mentioned. As a side note, I do support the death penalty and I hope this guy gets it.
TrueBlueGED Posted July 25, 2012 Report Posted July 25, 2012 I think the biggest misconception about the death penalty is that it's somehow cheaper since it doesn't leave somebody sitting in prison for 20+ years. However, the trials themselves tend to be longer and more complicated, plus with the entire appeals process, and so on....death penalty cases often times end up being more expensive than life in prison. I'm not saying financials should be the sole basis for continuing/discontinuing the death penalty, but it should be part of it. And from another perspective, is death really a harsher penalty than 30 years in a maximum security prison? I've never faced near death or prison, so I can't really say, but I don't think it's clear cut one way or another.
K-9 Posted July 25, 2012 Report Posted July 25, 2012 Now here's a true patriot proud of his 2nd amendment rights. If not for getting pulled over for a traffic violation ... I'm sure he's just an avid target shooter though. http://news.yahoo.co...-080930278.html
biodork Posted July 25, 2012 Report Posted July 25, 2012 I had posted that a colleague's best friend's daughter was shot. As it turns out, the gas cannister exploded immediately in front of her opening a 5 1/2" hole in her abdomen and ripping apart her stomach. Her boyfriend and his father, both of whom were shot in their arms, put her organs back in her while the chaos insued and held them in place while awaiting help. Shot from the shotgun ripped through her wrist and calf. Her wrist is broken, she's missing a big chunk of meat from her calf, but her stomach has been surgically reparied and her abdomen stitched up. Bets of all, while she is still in the ICU, she is doing much better and should be moved out of ICU after the weekend. Just thought some of you who read it would want the update. Prayers going her way. She's lucky (they all are) to be alive, and I hope she continues to heal so she can go home.
spndnchz Posted July 25, 2012 Report Posted July 25, 2012 Wow. These guys are good. Dispatcher is awesome.
bunomatic Posted July 25, 2012 Report Posted July 25, 2012 As seen on this mornings news apparently gun sales are surging in the wake of this shooting over fears that politicians may try to tighten gun restrictions.
darksabre Posted July 25, 2012 Report Posted July 25, 2012 As seen on this mornings news apparently gun sales are surging in the wake of this shooting over fears that politicians may try to tighten gun restrictions. The United States of Panic Mode
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