SabresFanInRochester Posted July 20, 2012 Report Posted July 20, 2012 I have been wondering about the delay in resigning Ennis. Money is not an issue for the team so I wonder if there is another reason. I used to think the Sabres were taking a big risk leaving Ennis out there, unsigned. But, now I am thinking that it might be intentional. If another team comes in and offer sheets Ennis, the Sabres will get compensatory picks if they do not match. I am starting to think they are hoping someone takes Ennis off their hands. The Sabres could then make another move and have one less player to worry about in trade. They could shop for another center with a couple first round picks, or be fully content giving Grigorenko the center role. I do not know what Ennis would get if he were traded as a signed player, but I doubt it would be as good a deal as the compensatory picks. They might even want to stock up on compensatory picks so that they can offer sheet someone else. Either way, an abundance of first round picks are nice assets. I like Ennis. Just cannot figure this one out. Probably overthinking it. What do you think?
inkman Posted July 20, 2012 Report Posted July 20, 2012 So which NHL team is going to offer our 165 lbs center crazy money? Any offer sheet averaging under $3,134,088 is only worth a second round pick as compensation. The entire idea is laughable.
shrader Posted July 20, 2012 Report Posted July 20, 2012 People overanalyze these situations every year. Take a look around the league and see how many RFAs are currently unsigned before spouting off with these nonsense theories.
carpandean Posted July 20, 2012 Report Posted July 20, 2012 I have been wondering about the delay in resigning Ennis. Money is not an issue for the team But the cap is. Darcy may have the ability to use all of it and the flexibility to give the cash out earlier in contracts, but he still has to manage the cap hit of each contract. Plus, what ink said.
SabresFanInRochester Posted July 20, 2012 Author Report Posted July 20, 2012 I didn't expect Vanek to get an offer sheet from Edmonton for $7 mil. I guess all you guys saw that coming. Goose signed for $3.25, Chris Kelly for $3, Olli Jokinen for $4.5. I don't know what kind of money Ennis will draw. If he's not worth that type of money, is signing him really that big of a deal to the cap?
Iron Crotch Posted July 20, 2012 Report Posted July 20, 2012 Maybe agents are fighting for a greater % of contract money to be paid in bonuses, with a lesser % paid in actual salary? Given the talk about rolling back contracts under the new CBA (e.g., each player will receive 90% of his salary going forward), bonus money wouldn't count against that and couldn't be rolled back. So perhaps agents are expecting this change and are looking to structure contracts in a particular way this summer. (Total guess on my part)
inkman Posted July 20, 2012 Report Posted July 20, 2012 I didn't expect Vanek to get an offer sheet from Edmonton for $7 mil. I guess all you guys saw that coming. Goose signed for $3.25, Chris Kelly for $3, Olli Jokinen for $4.5. I don't know what kind of money Ennis will draw. If he's not worth that type of money, is signing him really that big of a deal to the cap? I hate to do this but sometimes daddy needs to dip his shoulder and drive jr to the hole for a nasty thrown down. Vanek was coming off a 43 goal, 84 point, +47 season. Those are MVP type numbers. We didn't see the offer sheet coming but it was understandable. Ennis is coming off a 15 goal, 34 point season...oh and he's 5 inches shorter and 50 lbs lighter than Thomas. I'm praying someone offers Tyler at least $3.2 million. That being said, I see him getting a 3 year $8 million contract from the Sabres. (in that neighborhood).
SabresFanInRochester Posted July 20, 2012 Author Report Posted July 20, 2012 Use your calf muscles and drive me down, huh? You pointed out in your first post that under $3.1 million is only a 2nd round pick. I am guessing over that number is a first? And even more firsts, the more you exceed that number. Your last post has Ennis getting pretty close to $3 million a year. Buffalo would be willing to pay that then, right? Offer sheets come in ridiculously higher. Suddenly the laughable scenario is justified by your logic? All I am saying in my original premise is Buffalo allowing Ennis to get an offer sheet would bring them more than what a trade would bring. So, I proposed they are delaying a contract to bait an offer sheet. I could have started a post that said, "let's trade Ennis for Bobby Ryan." :flirt:
Trettioåtta Posted July 20, 2012 Report Posted July 20, 2012 Use your calf muscles and drive me down, huh? You pointed out in your first post that under $3.1 million is only a 2nd round pick. I am guessing over that number is a first? And even more firsts, the more you exceed that number. Your last post has Ennis getting pretty close to $3 million a year. Buffalo would be willing to pay that then, right? Offer sheets come in ridiculously higher. Suddenly the laughable scenario is justified by your logic? All I am saying in my original premise is Buffalo allowing Ennis to get an offer sheet would bring them more than what a trade would bring. So, I proposed they are delaying a contract to bait an offer sheet. I could have started a post that said, "let's trade Ennis for Bobby Ryan." :flirt: The Sabres paid a first round pick for Ennis. Not all first round picks work out. Ergo Ennis is worth more than a first round pick. Above $3.1 is a first and a third, again it is probably worth resigning him for that. Above $4.7 is 1st, 2nd and third - it might be worth letting him go for that. I can't see why any team would offer sheet him. His stats are decent, but not amazing, his height is less than desirable, (weight as well) and they know the Sabres have the money to back the deal and not lose out on a player. The only reason to do it would be to offer sheet $4.6 per, so as you only lose a 1st/3rd if the Sabres walk away and then you hope that by signing him it means the Sabres will have to make a deal to clear cap space. Only the Sabres have a) shown willing to bury money and b) could easily clear a couple million, which is what they would need to do
inkman Posted July 20, 2012 Report Posted July 20, 2012 Use your calf muscles and drive me down, huh? Fear the calves. You pointed out in your first post that under $3.1 million is only a 2nd round pick. I am guessing over that number is a first? And even more firsts, the more you exceed that number.Your last post has Ennis getting pretty close to $3 million a year. Buffalo would be willing to pay that then, right? Offer sheets come in ridiculously higher. Vanek and Weber's offer sheets were reasonable under UFA standards. I still think anything over $3 million for Ennis is nuts. So, I proposed they are delaying a contract to bait an offer sheet. I'm praying you are Darcy Regeir. I could have started a post that said, "let's trade Ennis for Bobby Ryan." :flirt: Anaheim would have countered with "Sure, just thrown Myers and Grigorenko."
sabres13 Posted July 20, 2012 Report Posted July 20, 2012 Are their any RW RFA's Buffalo could give a offer sheet to?
Two or less Posted July 20, 2012 Report Posted July 20, 2012 If Steven Stamkos didn't get offered sheet last season, then neither will Ennis.
spndnchz Posted July 20, 2012 Report Posted July 20, 2012 Note: Sabres have enough depth to lose a few for second round picks. The problem is someone offering a lot for Ennis not losing picks. If someone offers a lot for Ennis they get more picks. Package with a player and picks and you get more than an Ennis.
sabres13 Posted July 20, 2012 Report Posted July 20, 2012 If Steven Stamkos didn't get offered sheet last season, then neither will Ennis. I agree
spndnchz Posted July 20, 2012 Report Posted July 20, 2012 I know Stamkos and sir Ennis is no Stamkos.
sabres13 Posted July 20, 2012 Report Posted July 20, 2012 Ennis is a good player but not worth more than 3mil.
Hoss Posted July 20, 2012 Report Posted July 20, 2012 This is the most ridiculous post I've seen on here yet in my short time here. The Sabres don't want Ennis to go. If they did, he would have already been included in a deal to get somebody like Bobby Ryan. The AAV of an offer sheet for Ennis wouldn't land the Sabres multiple first rounders. It'd likely be a first rounder and a couple 2nds/3rds. You know why it's taking so long? Because there IS NO RUSH. He is an RFA. Offer sheets are VERY rare in the NHL, and only happen on BIG TIME players. It won't happen with Ennis. They are more worried about adding guys they don't own the rights to yet. They will get Ennis and Kaleta locked up soon.
Weave Posted July 20, 2012 Report Posted July 20, 2012 Seems to me that RFA offer sheets only happen to players on teams that are either cash or cap constrained. Sabres are neither right now. Ennis won't get an offer sheet.
LGR4GM Posted July 20, 2012 Report Posted July 20, 2012 I have been wondering about the delay in resigning Ennis. Money is not an issue for the team so I wonder if there is another reason. I used to think the Sabres were taking a big risk leaving Ennis out there, unsigned. But, now I am thinking that it might be intentional. If another team comes in and offer sheets Ennis, the Sabres will get compensatory picks if they do not match. I am starting to think they are hoping someone takes Ennis off their hands. The Sabres could then make another move and have one less player to worry about in trade. They could shop for another center with a couple first round picks, or be fully content giving Grigorenko the center role. I do not know what Ennis would get if he were traded as a signed player, but I doubt it would be as good a deal as the compensatory picks. They might even want to stock up on compensatory picks so that they can offer sheet someone else. Either way, an abundance of first round picks are nice assets. I like Ennis. Just cannot figure this one out. Probably overthinking it. What do you think? Your theory is the Sabres are trying to get rid of the best skater, stickhandler, playmaker on the team as well as a guy who is not even close to at his full potential. Not to mention a player who even though he played and injury short season, improved his PPGA and from all indication will be a top 6 player this year and into the future? IMPO if someone offered Ennis twice his value the Sabres would still match it. Also I think Ennis is the Sabres best kept secret, this kid is poised to breakout and if he had a 60-70pt season I would not be surprised at all.
shrader Posted July 20, 2012 Report Posted July 20, 2012 There have been what, 7 offer sheets signed post lockout. And none in the last two offseasons. Suddenly the best dman in the league who just happens to play on a low budget team gets one and now all hell will break loose? This is an avenue that teams do not want to travel down. No more of these will happen this year except maybe a shot fired back at Philly.
thesportsbuff Posted July 20, 2012 Report Posted July 20, 2012 No way Ennis gets an offer sheet. It's pointless to offer sheet a player like Ennis. Unless you're willing to do a crazy-money offer like Weber/Vanek (which would be an unrealistic risk for any team), Buffalo is going to match. And the same goes for pretty much any other RFA forward. The only ones who are exempt are superstar, elite talent players like Stamkos, Weber, etc, who are gonna demand that kind of money regardless, and maybe you can push it so a team can't afford it. I don't see any other offer sheets coming this year, because again, in most cases, they can be easily matched unless it's a ridiculous-value contract. Or, as someone brought up, somebody could potentially take a shot back at Philly by signing Voracek to an offer sheet, since Philly might be pressing for cap space if Nashville doesn't match the Weber sheet. But for a team like Buffalo? I think, hypothetically, if someone signed Ennis to a offer sheet, Buffalo would match as high as a ~5 mil cap hit, which would be risky, but we have the money to do it. But anything more than that? No way a team offers a $6,7,8 mil contract for a guy with such a small resumé. A guy on twitter compared Ennis to TJ Oshie's recent extension at a little over $4 mil... simply put: no way. Ennis has a 30-game hot streak last season, but little else to negotiate with. Can't imagine him costing any more than $3 mil. THAT SAID... there may come a day when Hall, Eberle, Nuge, etc may become RFAs... not committing to it yet obviously, but if they prove to be worth it the next few years, I would LOVE for Buffalo to get a little payback on Edmonton... ;)
Janson Posted July 20, 2012 Report Posted July 20, 2012 One thing I don't understand. Why is it so bad for a team to offer sheet and then see the club match? Is there any cost or something just to do the offer sheet. If not, there will be a lot to gain by throwing offer sheet to players around your conference because it will be though on them and in the end easier competion for you. So why not put up an 4 mill offer sheet for Ennis if you are week at center. Should Buffalo not match you get a center with potential for just a little over his value right now. If Bufflo match (they will 99,9-100%) you made Buffalo commit to about 1M more against cap. What am I missing here?
Trettioåtta Posted July 20, 2012 Report Posted July 20, 2012 One thing I don't understand. Why is it so bad for a team to offer sheet and then see the club match? Is there any cost or something just to do the offer sheet. If not, there will be a lot to gain by throwing offer sheet to players around your conference because it will be though on them and in the end easier competion for you. So why not put up an 4 mill offer sheet for Ennis if you are week at center. Should Buffalo not match you get a center with potential for just a little over his value right now. If Bufflo match (they will 99,9-100%) you made Buffalo commit to about 1M more against cap. What am I missing here? Buffalo has a bigger budget than most teams - payback is a bitch. Moreover, you lose a trading partner. No-one likes the ###### of the group
dudacek Posted July 20, 2012 Report Posted July 20, 2012 Pegula, Terry, meet Kane , Evander. And Philly will never be anyone's bitch.
LGR4GM Posted July 20, 2012 Report Posted July 20, 2012 Pegula, Terry, meet Kane , Evander. And Philly will never be anyone's bitch. Scott, John will make philly his bitch.
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