FogBat Posted July 17, 2012 Report Posted July 17, 2012 Big business built this country, you dimwit. Boeing, Disney, Ford, Apple, Google, Kraft, IBM, Chevrolet, etc. -- you think these haven't been good for America? Go back to the Civil War and read about how the industrialized north (i.e. the country with big businesses) trounced the rural country (i.e. the country where the government was pretty cool with giving zero rights to a lot of the people who lived there). Right now you're reading this on a computer that was designed and built by a big business, sold to you by another big business, and talking on a message board dedicated to a big business (the NHL). But continue whining about how awful these thing are even as you enjoy them. I find it interesting that he hasn't replied since neither I nor you have replied to his broadbased hatebashing of big business. I said, "You could start your own. Plus, in all fairness, not all big business is bad. You do have a job, don't you?" and he never replied. I didn't think it was all that demeaning a comment. Then comes your comment - to wit he has not replied. It appears to me that his views of capitalism (even small business) are so filled with hate that he really can't see the forest through the trees.
Hank Posted July 17, 2012 Report Posted July 17, 2012 [/flame on] 1. Education is not free. Higher education is beyond the academic ability of some. 2. Even secondary education is beyond the ability of a few. 3. What if someone is incapable of college level work and cannot pass the Armed Forces Qualification Test? What if someone wants to join a family business or go to trade school or some other reasonable option? 4. What if the mother does not know who the father is? 5. [/flame off] I would say trade schools fall under "Higher Education", so if a kid wants to be a welder, carpenter, truck driver, whatever, thats fine. If theres a family business, great, join it at age 21 or 22 instead of 18. You're right, there would be plenty of kids who could not pass the ASVAB or SATs to get into the military/school. Or perhaps, would fail on purpose to try to get out of going. As another poster pointed out, there are plenty of jobs that require absolutely no extented education. Well, perhaps thats where our unskilled workforce would come from. I'm not going to pretend I have the answers to fix the economy, but I fail to see how having a larger percentage of our population educated could be a bad thing. It's just an idea, I dont think it any better or worse than most, it's just mine. Re your abortion question: Currently men have no rights regarding their unborn child, I think thats wrong. I think a man should be able to have his kid if a mother doesn't want it. I see where you are going with your question, but its too big a loop hole for a woman to say she dosen't know who the father is because she dosen't want to notify the father. I would never discourage a woman from having a one night stand, but birth control and condoms would help prevent pregnancy/disease and to not use them is just plain stupid. So for your soon to be mother in question, I guess it would be a lesson learned.
SwampD Posted July 17, 2012 Report Posted July 17, 2012 I find it interesting that he hasn't replied since neither I nor you have replied to his broadbased hatebashing of big business. I said, "You could start your own. Plus, in all fairness, not all big business is bad. You do have a job, don't you?" and he never replied. I didn't think it was all that demeaning a comment. Then comes your comment - to wit he has not replied. It appears to me that his views of capitalism (even small business) are so filled with hate that he really can't see the forest through the trees. I just know that I would rather give my money to the government than to a corporation. With govt. spending being about 20% of our GDP, at least I know that money will end up back in the US at least once. And if I don't like where it's spent I get to vote. Two things make me chuckle this election. First, all this clamoring for the Bush tax cuts to be extended. I don't really care one way or the other, but to use the excuse that those are the people that create jobs and they need that money in order to do so is hilarious. Corporations are sitting on record amounts of cash right now. That means that they have never had more cash than they do right now. You would have to be a sucker to think that they just need a little more money.. and then they'll start creating jobs,.. RIIIGHT!. Look, they want more money. Fine, I get that. But to say they need it for job creation is insulting. Second, anyone who says that if the govt. takes over healthcare, it will be a bureaucratic, inefficient, overpriced nightmare,.. is someone who doesn't use healthcare now.
FogBat Posted July 17, 2012 Report Posted July 17, 2012 I just know that I would rather give my money to the government than to a corporation. With govt. spending being about 20% of our GDP, at least I know that money will end up back in the US at least once. And if I don't like where it's spent I get to vote. Two things make me chuckle this election. First, all this clamoring for the Bush tax cuts to be extended. I don't really care one way or the other, but to use the excuse that those are the people that create jobs and they need that money in order to do so is hilarious. 1, Corporations are sitting on record amounts of cash right now. That means that they have never had more cash than they do right now. You would have to be a sucker to think that they just need a little more money.. and then they'll start creating jobs,.. RIIIGHT!. Look, they want more money. Fine, I get that. But to say they need it for job creation is insulting. 2, Second, anyone who says that if the govt. takes over healthcare, it will be a bureaucratic, inefficient, overpriced nightmare,.. is someone who doesn't use healthcare now. 1, In their defense, there may be a reason why they're hoarding their cash right now: ObamaCare. IIRC, the SCOTUS said that it is a tax, contrary to all the claims by the Kenyan that it isn't. 2, Anyone who has served in the military knows that the closest thing to government-run health care is the military and the VA itself. They're not the most efficient nor professional bunch - and those that are don't normally make it a 20-year career.
darksabre Posted July 17, 2012 Report Posted July 17, 2012 In their defense, there may be a reason why they're hoarding their cash right now: ObamaCare. IIRC, the SCOTUS said that it is a tax, contrary to all the claims by the Kenyan that it isn't. Is this really necessary?
SwampD Posted July 17, 2012 Report Posted July 17, 2012 1, In their defense, there may be a reason why they're hoarding their cash right now: ObamaCare. IIRC, the SCOTUS said that it is a tax, contrary to all the claims by the Kenyan that it isn't. 2, Anyone who has served in the military knows that the closest thing to government-run health care is the military and the VA itself. They're not the most efficient nor professional bunch - and those that are don't normally make it a 20-year career. Is this really necessary? Having said that for the second time now, you have discredited anything else you have to say.
Weave Posted July 17, 2012 Author Report Posted July 17, 2012 Sooooo........ how 'bout them poll results, eh?
darksabre Posted July 17, 2012 Report Posted July 17, 2012 Having said that for the second time now, you have discredited anything else you have to say. Pretty much. I don't understand the need to include snarky nicknames and blatant ignorance into otherwise healthy discussion. It cheapens the whole thing and destroys ones credibility. Say what you have to say without the stupid ######. Sooooo........ how 'bout them poll results, eh? I've actually spent a lot of time looking into other candidates as a result. I may vote Green or Libertarian just for the hell of it, although I think another four years of Democrat would yield about the same results. Or I may just write in a vote for our neighbor's cat. If a cat can be mayor of a town in Alaska, then Toes can be President. http://www.nbc-2.com/story/19033631/2012/07/16/mayor-stubbs-the-cat
Weave Posted July 17, 2012 Author Report Posted July 17, 2012 I've actually spent a lot of time looking into other candidates as a result. I may vote Green or Libertarian just for the hell of it, although I think another four years of Democrat would yield about the same results. Or I may just write in a vote for our neighbor's cat. If a cat can be mayor of a town in Alaska, then Toes can be President. http://www.nbc-2.com...-stubbs-the-cat That was my hoped for response.
5th line wingnutt Posted July 17, 2012 Report Posted July 17, 2012 FYI: The laws of citizenship are determined by the country in question. Kenyan citizenship is determined by Kenyan law and US citizenship is determined by US law. Obama is a natural born citizen of the US by virtue of the fact that one of his parents (his mother) is a natural born citizen and she lived a substantial portion of her life in the US. Obama is a US natural born citizen without regard to where he was born.
darksabre Posted July 17, 2012 Report Posted July 17, 2012 That was my hoped for response. I had a hunch B-) FYI: The laws of citizenship are determined by the country in question. Kenyan citizenship is determined by Kenyan law and US citizenship is determined by US law. Obama is a natural born citizen of the US by virtue of the fact that one of his parents (his mother) is a natural born citizen and she lived a substantial portion of her life in the US. Obama is a US natural born citizen without regard to where he was born. Don't try and tell the crazies that though. They need any excuse they can to hate the black man without directly saying it.
2ForTripping Posted July 17, 2012 Report Posted July 17, 2012 I had a hunch B-) Don't try and tell the crazies that though. They need any excuse they can to hate the black man without directly saying it. Well Crosschecking or Tepponator if i recall had a Confederate Flag as his avatar after the election Of President Obama with a ,,, damn right or hell yeah I'm mad under said avatar. Despite his name change his views still bleed through
Drunkard Posted July 17, 2012 Report Posted July 17, 2012 contrary to all the claims by the Kenyan that it isn't. It's mindsets like this, along with the ones who want to replace the Bill of Rights with Leviticus and teach kids in science class that the world is 10,000 years old and was created in 6 days that make me glad I no longer affiliate myself with the Republican party.
cdexchange Posted July 17, 2012 Report Posted July 17, 2012 It's mindsets like this, along with the ones who want to replace the Bill of Rights with Leviticus and teach kids in science class that the world is 10,000 years old and was created in 6 days that make me glad I no longer affiliate myself with the Republican party. :thumbsup:
Hank Posted July 17, 2012 Report Posted July 17, 2012 Weave, great job on the pole. My results were far different than what I believe to be, and I may be too pig headed to accept/believe it, but it was an eye opener. Much appreciated...
Randall Flagg Posted July 17, 2012 Report Posted July 17, 2012 Weave, great job on the pole. My results were far different than what I believe to be, and I may be too pig headed to accept/believe it, but it was an eye opener. Much appreciated... Yes, weave, your performance on the pole was magnificent...:blush:
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted July 17, 2012 Report Posted July 17, 2012 Yes, weave, your performance on the pole was magnificent... :blush: Did you give him dollars, or Kenyan shillings?
Randall Flagg Posted July 17, 2012 Report Posted July 17, 2012 Did you give him dollars, or Kenyan shillings? I dunno what he got, it was Hank's turn to pay.
Weave Posted July 17, 2012 Author Report Posted July 17, 2012 Hey a guy's gotta make a living, right?
5th line wingnutt Posted July 17, 2012 Report Posted July 17, 2012 Just toss "term limits" into a google scholar search (I have access to most journals and can email you a pdf of any article you're really interested in reading) or look on Amazon for books (published by a university press to avoid garbage). In truth, there's valid arguments on both sides of the term limit debate as I'm sure you'll see if you decide to really look into this stuff. Generally my stance on term limits comes more from legislative literature than term limit literature....the system of representation in America works a lot better than some people think it does. Individual congressmen do a great job of representing their constituencies' preferences, and national legislation tends to be in line with the ideological direction of the country at any given time. The problems that term limits seek to fix, in my opinion, aren't necessarily problems at all--it's just a bunch of normative arguments. People hate career politicians....but if career politicians are doing the job effectively, why shouldn't they be allowed to keep their position? Instead of sending us on a 'wild google chase', why not just cite the research? Are you saying that the academic press is gold and/or the non academic press is garbage? My impression is closer to the opposite. The system of representation does not work for me. I am 65, and during my entire adult life I have never been represented (in the house of Representatives) by someone with views that are close to my own. In the last election cycle a congress critter got elected from my district with economic views close to my own and social views very different from mine. She as good as it has gotten, my half a loaf is better than none congress critter. Ironic but I got gerrymandered out of her district in short order. The system of representation does not work for lots of people. Suppose a candidate wins 60-40. Not everyone in the district is registered to vote. Not all registered voters exercise the franchise. You would be hard pressed to find a single congress critter with a positive endorsement from even half of the potential voters. Finally, maybe the reason people hate career politicians is precisely because they are not doing a good job.
Guest Sloth Posted July 17, 2012 Report Posted July 17, 2012 It's mindsets like this, along with the ones who want to replace the Bill of Rights with Leviticus and teach kids in science class that the world is 10,000 years old and was created in 6 days that make me glad I no longer affiliate myself with the Republican party. You know what the big bang theory is? A theory. It is not proven. If the big bang theory is being taught, why can't the "theory" of Christianity be taught?
deluca67 Posted July 17, 2012 Report Posted July 17, 2012 You know what the big bang theory is? A theory. It is not proven. If the big bang theory is being taught, why can't the "theory" of Christianity be taught? If you are going to teach Christianity in schools you would also have to teach Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam and others in order to tell the entire story and keep Christianity in perspective. Christianity is just one of many belief systems in the world today, it would not be in the best interests of children to teach only one narrowed view of spirituality.
darksabre Posted July 17, 2012 Report Posted July 17, 2012 If you are going to teach Christianity in schools you would also have to teach Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam and others in order to tell the entire story and keep Christianity in perspective. Christianity is just one of many belief systems in the world today, it would not be in the best interests of children to teach only one narrowed view of spirituality. Right. And Christianity isn't a science, it's a religion that should be studied theologically. If you want to teach creationism (or religion for that matter), then you need to provide classes to students in theology. There's nothing wrong with offering that, and I think theology should be offered as elective course work in high school. It would be nice to have high school students running around understanding and discussion the religions of the world, rather than just falling one way or another, religious or athiest/agnostic. It all boils down to the fact that the theory of evolution is scientifically testable, whereas creationism isn't.
MattPie Posted July 17, 2012 Report Posted July 17, 2012 Finally, maybe the reason people hate career politicians is precisely because they are not doing a good job. I find a lot of people hate career politicians *execpt* the one from their district.
nobody Posted July 17, 2012 Report Posted July 17, 2012 It all boils down to the fact that the theory of evolution is scientifically testable, whereas creationism isn't. They probably should have called it the 'scientific theory of evolution'.
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.