TrueBlueGED Posted July 16, 2012 Report Posted July 16, 2012 Nice, It was an honest toss up between poli-sci/law and engineering when I was entering college. Ultimately, I chose engineering under the hope that it would lead to a more stable income/home life for my family (I was already practically engaged at the time). So far, I don't regret it, but I do love me a good bout of politics/policy. I'll keep this simple: you made the right choice. Poli-sci + stability + money = does not compute :P
FogBat Posted July 16, 2012 Report Posted July 16, 2012 I'll keep this simple: you made the right choice. Poli-sci + stability + money = does not compute :P Funny you should mention this. When I got my first job after getting out of the Army back in 1992, I found out that one of my hotel managers had his bachelor's in Poli-Sci. Obviously, he didn't follow that trajectory.
MattPie Posted July 16, 2012 Report Posted July 16, 2012 Funny you should mention this. When I got my first job after getting out of the Army back in 1992, I found out that one of my hotel managers had his bachelor's in Poli-Sci. Obviously, he didn't follow that trajectory. There's a trajectory for Poli-Sci? :)
TrueBlueGED Posted July 16, 2012 Report Posted July 16, 2012 Funny you should mention this. When I got my first job after getting out of the Army back in 1992, I found out that one of my hotel managers had his bachelor's in Poli-Sci. Obviously, he didn't follow that trajectory. It's not the ending point that's the problem, it's the starting point. You can have a perfectly successful career in a number of places with a bachelor's in poli-sci, it's just a rockier road than other degrees provide (in the context here, engineering).
darksabre Posted July 16, 2012 Report Posted July 16, 2012 There's a trajectory for Poli-Sci? :) Apparently it leads to this forum :unsure:
Robviously Posted July 16, 2012 Report Posted July 16, 2012 I agree, nothing compares to the damage "big business" has done to this country. Big business built this country, you dimwit. Boeing, Disney, Ford, Apple, Google, Kraft, IBM, Chevrolet, etc. -- you think these haven't been good for America? Go back to the Civil War and read about how the industrialized north (i.e. the country with big businesses) trounced the rural country (i.e. the country where the government was pretty cool with giving zero rights to a lot of the people who lived there). Right now you're reading this on a compuer that was designed and built by a big business, sold to you by another big business, and talking on a message board dedicated to a big business (the NHL). But continue whining about how awful these thing are even as you enjoy them.
LastPommerFan Posted July 16, 2012 Report Posted July 16, 2012 Big business built this country, you dimwit. Boeing, Disney, Ford, Apple, Google, Kraft, IBM, Chevrolet, etc. -- you think these haven't been good for America? Go back to the Civil War and read about how the industrialized north (i.e. the country with big businesses) trounced the rural country (i.e. the country where the government was pretty cool with giving zero rights to a lot of the people who lived there). Right now you're reading this on a compuer that was designed and built by a big business, sold to you by another big business, and talking on a message board dedicated to a big business (the NHL). But continue whining about how awful these thing are even as you enjoy them. You win. Clearly there are no possible reasonable arguments that big business can have a negative impact on the nation. FWIW, he is reading this on a personal computer that was likely has it's roots in a college kid's (Jobs or Dell) garage. Probably ordered on the internet which was a creation of public universities and the Military (read government) on a message board run by an individual, not a corporation. But please, tell us all the things big business has done for us.
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted July 16, 2012 Report Posted July 16, 2012 You win. Clearly there are no possible reasonable arguments that big business can have a negative impact on the nation. FWIW, he is reading this on a personal computer that was likely has it's roots in a college kid's (Jobs or Dell) garage. Probably ordered on the internet which was a creation of public universities and the Military (read government) on a message board run by an individual, not a corporation. But please, tell us all the things big business has done for us. The Founding Fathers understood the dangers of BIG anything.....and they fully expected their model to fail over time as too much power and wealth was again centralized. just think everyone is so pacified with bread and circuses now that you won't get that late 1700's Etch-a-sketch shake that might do the body good.
LastPommerFan Posted July 16, 2012 Report Posted July 16, 2012 The Founding Fathers understood the dangers of BIG anything.....and they fully expected their model to fail over time as too much power and wealth was again centralized. just think everyone is so pacified with bread and circuses now that you won't get that late 1700's Etch-a-sketch shake that might do the body good. So long as it's Cheddar Bay Biscuits and the NHL, I'm all set.
darksabre Posted July 16, 2012 Report Posted July 16, 2012 So long as it's Cheddar Bay Biscuits and the NHL, I'm all set. Just what I need, to be hungry before I go to wegmans.
Robviously Posted July 16, 2012 Report Posted July 16, 2012 You win. Clearly there are no possible reasonable arguments that big business can have a negative impact on the nation. Nice strawman attack on something I never said. You'll do well in politics. Did I ever say that big business can't have a negative impact? No. Obviously it can, just like "big" anything can. But on the whole, it's done way more good than bad. And it certainly isn't the "worst evil in the world" which is just a hilarious notion. America isn't great because of government programs. It's great because people took initiative and worked in a free market.
IKnowPhysics Posted July 16, 2012 Report Posted July 16, 2012 This is the road to dusty death. ...and we're here!
Hank Posted July 16, 2012 Report Posted July 16, 2012 Changes I would like to see - Free higher education for EVERYONE as long as they maintain a GPA of 2.5. Graduation from high school is mandatory. Kids who refuse to go are placed in a structured environment, Berkshire Farm Center in the Catskills would be a good example of what I'm referring to if anyone is farmiliar with it. After graduation from HS, you go to college and better yourself, or do a stint in the military and serve your country. I'm not against abortion, but I think by law the father be identified and gives consent. If a woman wants an abortion (for reasons other than medical, rape or ######) and the father wants the child, I think she should have to carry the child to term and the father get custody. Flame away!
BuffaloSoldier2010 Posted July 16, 2012 Report Posted July 16, 2012 You win. Clearly there are no possible reasonable arguments that big business can have a negative impact on the nation. FWIW, he is reading this on a personal computer that was likely has it's roots in a college kid's (Jobs or Dell) garage. Probably ordered on the internet which was a creation of public universities and the Military (read government) on a message board run by an individual, not a corporation. But please, tell us all the things big business has done for us. Big Business is terrible. I feel sorry for all the poor saps who need money and jobs to survive. I just synthesize everything i need and use with my mind. Big business didn't ruin America, lack of Accountability did. Everyone has a share in the blame. Unfortunately the real world doesn't run on flower power and good vibes. As soon as you flipped the switch and assumed that Robviously was staunchly against the idea that Business couldnt have a single negative impact this thread should have been locked, because you must think he's pretty stupid to assume something like that. Obviously there are negatives but the fact of the matter is that the corporate and manufacturing sector pretty much made this country what it is today.
Hank Posted July 16, 2012 Report Posted July 16, 2012 Another thing I'd like. Prostitution and weed legalized and heavily taxed.
MattPie Posted July 16, 2012 Report Posted July 16, 2012 Free higher education for EVERYONE as long as they maintain a GPA of 2.5. I'm torn on this one. Surely there are worthy people that don't go to college because they can't make ends meet. But I'm sure there's others that would party for 4 years on the taxpayers' dime. There are lots of jobs that don't really require a college degree, how does sending people to college help? The person answering the phone when I call the cable company doesn't need a poly-sci degree to read their troubleshooting checklist. Maybe I'm just being selfish in this case, the more people go to college the less my degrees are worth.
BuffaloSoldier2010 Posted July 16, 2012 Report Posted July 16, 2012 I'm torn on this one. Surely there are worthy people that don't go to college because they can't make ends meet. But I'm sure there's others that would party for 4 years on the taxpayers' dime. There are lots of jobs that don't really require a college degree, how does sending people to college help? The person answering the phone when I call the cable company doesn't need a poly-sci degree to read their troubleshooting checklist. Maybe I'm just being selfish in this case, the more people go to college the less my degrees are worth. You're right though. In my opinion anything of this nature is just plain bad medicine. The biggest problem i have with this country is that you have politicians trying to make their own jobs easier by passing blanket legislation. Making higher education free for everyone wouldn't do a damn thing. There's far too many kids i know personally who pay to go to school and do nothing but party anyway, i don't want to see taxpayer dollars going that. I've been saying it for years now, the only way this country is gonna get back on track is by lots of new legislation designed to act more as a scalpel than a blanket. This one size fits all ###### is getting us nowhere fast. Anyone looking to socialize more government can take a big F'n look at Greece and the rest of Europe as far as I'm concerned. They don't seem to be doin so hot. The states may be down as well, no doubt about that, but the grass is certainly not greener on the other side of the pond.
Armydoogie Posted July 16, 2012 Report Posted July 16, 2012 I am proud that I agree with 90% of America. 8?)
Guest Sloth Posted July 16, 2012 Report Posted July 16, 2012 92% - Republican 93% - Libertarian 17% - Democrat 5% - Green Pretty much what I expected. Interesting topic to post, Weave. Glad no one has started some type of political argument. Simply keeping it fun is all we should try to do. And that can be difficult to achieve when politics are brought up, so I am impressed w/ how things have gone on this topic. Things have changed a bit since this morning... Well, it's Monday morning so the more "exciteable" members are liable to start spending more time in the thread. We'll see where it goes! :P You were right on that one, weave! Ha
darksabre Posted July 16, 2012 Report Posted July 16, 2012 I'm torn on this one. Surely there are worthy people that don't go to college because they can't make ends meet. But I'm sure there's others that would party for 4 years on the taxpayers' dime. There are lots of jobs that don't really require a college degree, how does sending people to college help? The person answering the phone when I call the cable company doesn't need a poly-sci degree to read their troubleshooting checklist. Maybe I'm just being selfish in this case, the more people go to college the less my degrees are worth. They tried to run this model in Germany and other Euro countries for years, and it just doesn't end well. Everyone ends up going to college and they stay there for 4-7 years, flipping around from major to major just to use the system. I'll be honest, higher education needs to be for those who can afford it. There has to be a working class. Not everyone needs higher education. I'd like to see a focus on the non-college job route. When I was in school we were never even told that there was a world without college education. But now we're lacking in skilled machinists, farmers, mechanics, etc. Of course, no one wants to work in those fields because wages are too low. Minimum wage in this country needs to be $8/hr, and even that is barely enough. $10/hr just allows a single male to live on his own without starving. Until we find a way to get more people jobs that actually pay well enough to get by on, we'll continue having a weaker economy, a growing lower class, and avoidably high crime rates.
nobody Posted July 16, 2012 Report Posted July 16, 2012 53 % Whig 42% Know Nothing 39% Free Soil 35% Opposition I'm old school. Everyone should have a right to a musket. If you turned over the entire house, every election, and the average age was 45, and you offered $100k/yr pension for all former congressmen regardless of length of service, effective the day they leave office, and they all outlived the average lifespan by 5 years, it would cost a maximum of $12Biliion/yr. That's not that significant in the grand scope, and the pensions would be less than that. A generous $20k/year pension per term served, effective at age 60 would cost a max of $1.5B/yr assuming an 85 year lifespan. Heck with that - term limits, some average or minimal pay but include certain per diems, pay into a 401k, no other pension.
Guest Sloth Posted July 16, 2012 Report Posted July 16, 2012 I'd like to see a focus on the non-college job route. When I was in school we were never even told that there was a world without college education. But now we're lacking in skilled machinists, farmers, mechanics, etc. I agree w/ you completely on the non-college route. It is something that should be a part of a high school curriculum. Education was criticized when were in school, but at least we were being taught how to apply information introduced to us. In my opinion, today's education has actually gotten worse. The focus for schools now are state test scores. The goal is not to prepare kids for life. It is to prepare them for a test. Sure, kids may be able to score well on state tests, but many are unable to retain and apply what has been taught to them.
SwampD Posted July 17, 2012 Report Posted July 17, 2012 Was Mitt Romney's campaign slogan last week really "Vote for me, I'll get rid of people's health insurance!" I don't care what side you're on, that just doesn't sound like a winner to me.
LastPommerFan Posted July 17, 2012 Report Posted July 17, 2012 Big business built this country, you dimwit. Boeing, Disney, Ford, Apple, Google, Kraft, IBM, Chevrolet, etc. -- you think these haven't been good for America? Go back to the Civil War and read about how the industrialized north (i.e. the country with big businesses) trounced the rural country (i.e. the country where the government was pretty cool with giving zero rights to a lot of the people who lived there). Right now you're reading this on a compuer that was designed and built by a big business, sold to you by another big business, and talking on a message board dedicated to a big business (the NHL). But continue whining about how awful these thing are even as you enjoy them. You win. Clearly there are no possible reasonable arguments that big business can have a negative impact on the nation. FWIW, he is reading this on a personal computer that was likely has it's roots in a college kid's (Jobs or Dell) garage. Probably ordered on the internet which was a creation of public universities and the Military (read government) on a message board run by an individual, not a corporation. But please, tell us all the things big business has done for us. Nice strawman attack on something I never said. You'll do well in politics. Did I ever say that big business can't have a negative impact? No. Obviously it can, just like "big" anything can. But on the whole, it's done way more good than bad. And it certainly isn't the "worst evil in the world" which is just a hilarious notion. America isn't great because of government programs. It's great because people took initiative and worked in a free market. I was responding directly to your unnecessary insult. There are in fact reasonable arguments made by non-dimwits that big business can have a negative impact on the nation. FWIW I like corporations and the free market, but calling someone names because they express that Big Business can do harm is just nonsense. Big Business is terrible. I feel sorry for all the poor saps who need money and jobs to survive. I just synthesize everything i need and use with my mind. Big business didn't ruin America, lack of Accountability did. Everyone has a share in the blame. Unfortunately the real world doesn't run on flower power and good vibes. As soon as you flipped the switch and assumed that Robviously was staunchly against the idea that Business couldnt have a single negative impact this thread should have been locked, because you must think he's pretty stupid to assume something like that. Obviously there are negatives but the fact of the matter is that the corporate and manufacturing sector pretty much made this country what it is today. Twas my last post before leaving, obviously, I didn't word it well. I was trying to make the point that Big Business does harm is a reasonable position.... That Rob's insult was unnecessary... See above.
5th line wingnutt Posted July 17, 2012 Report Posted July 17, 2012 Changes I would like to see - 1. Free higher education for EVERYONE as long as they maintain a GPA of 2.5. 2. Graduation from high school is mandatory. Kids who refuse to go are placed in a structured environment, Berkshire Farm Center in the Catskills would be a good example of what I'm referring to if anyone is farmiliar with it. 3. After graduation from HS, you go to college and better yourself, or do a stint in the military and serve your country. 4. I'm not against abortion, but I think by law the father be identified and gives consent. If a woman wants an abortion (for reasons other than medical, rape or ######) and the father wants the child, I think she should have to carry the child to term and the father get custody. 5. Flame away! [/flame on] 1. Education is not free. Higher education is beyond the academic ability of some. 2. Even secondary education is beyond the ability of a few. 3. What if someone is incapable of college level work and cannot pass the Armed Forces Qualification Test? What if someone wants to join a family business or go to trade school or some other reasonable option? 4. What if the mother does not know who the father is? 5. [/flame off]
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