.55. Posted July 25, 2013 Report Posted July 25, 2013 Rochester Ice Storm, 1991. Rochester...Girgensons... We were this close to gettting the thread back on topic, thank you for the attempt, Andrew. Someone please start an OT thread, call it "puttin' on the (tin) foil" and take all this thrilling conspiracy chatter there so we can get back on the topic of one of the more interesting prospects to come through the pipeline in a long while.
That Aud Smell Posted July 25, 2013 Report Posted July 25, 2013 Rochester...Girgensons... We were this close to gettting the thread back on topic, thank you for the attempt, Andrew. Someone please start an OT thread, call it "puttin' on the (tin) foil" and take all this thrilling conspiracy chatter there so we can get back on the topic of one of the more interesting prospects to come through the pipeline in a long while. Easy there. Sprawling, meandering threads are a way of life around here. Especially in the off-season. This tangent has elicited good content from a cadre of regular posters. As an old mentor of mine used to say: Compartmentalization is the hobgoblin of a simple mind. I'm not throwing shade your way, 55 -- I'm just trying to stand up for an aspect of this board's culture that I cherish.
spndnchz Posted July 25, 2013 Author Report Posted July 25, 2013 I have no affiliation with the Sabres. -Girgensons
... Posted July 25, 2013 Report Posted July 25, 2013 I thank them both for giving us this great community, along with GoBillsinDallas and the other mods. I'm sure Scott is a normal guy and often must sit back and just shake his head at the thing he created. Lord, forgive us for eating the apple. I am thankful for the community as well. FWIW, I did not mention chz in my post because it would be unfair. She is a mod, she may be responding to complaints from other posters, or acting at the behest of SDS...I don't know. To me, that part of it isn't really important because whether it was all chz on the ban or not, the action absolutely represents a mindset on the board. The press creds thing is a non-starter because I don't think what happens on this board reflects an "organizational hammer". If the Sabres had influence over here, I can guarantee that, by now, PA, GODD, perhaps myself and some other posters, would be gone, or, at the very least, there'd be bans and lots of PMs going on. The current socio/political climate supports that type of Draconian action, so, I really don't think that's an issue at all. To me, the whole thing represents a culture, or community mindset, that is, at best, disconcerting. Thankfully it only comes up with "extreme" issues. It's one thing to filter out outrageously stupid trade ideas and eklund rumours, it's another thing to trash well-researched and reasoned ideas that, to some, may be coming out of left field.
shrader Posted July 25, 2013 Report Posted July 25, 2013 Some call it well researched, others call it rampant paranoia.
Stoner Posted July 25, 2013 Report Posted July 25, 2013 My previous two exes cheated on me, therefore i must become paranoid, bug my current girlfriend's phone and demand to see all her messages? Also, what did TG do wrong? He admitted to being a place holder. His role was to step in and keep the team in Buffalo. It was obvious he never really cared for the team - hence why he ran the team as a business. But he never let the fans down I'm currently working on my own Pegula theory. I haven't worked out all the details but the basic premise is that he is a 7ft reptilian overlord The analogy is strained. Fair comment on Tom. The disappointment is spitting out the bit after the '06 run. Admitting that his only charge to Darcy and Larry was breaking even was a bad admission. Re: wacky, "tin foil" conspiracies about TPegs. I don't think my operating theory is any kind of shot at Pegula. What's crazy or negative about it? Terry said at his presser that his daughter might be the biggest Sabres fan in Buffalo. He coached his son Mike in hockey. Maybe he's making up for lost time, or wants to fix relationships, or whatever. I think it would be pretty cool if it gets handed off to his kids. Hell, I'd make that trade tomorrow, the way things are going. Assuming Terry's not willing to bankroll huge losses for them (it has to "run like a business"), it would have implications for the franchise. We'd essentially be a poor small-market team again.
chileanseabass Posted July 25, 2013 Report Posted July 25, 2013 He coached his son Mike in hockey. Maybe he's making up for lost time, or wants to fix relationships, or whatever. I think it would be pretty cool if it gets handed off to his kids. Hell, I'd make that trade tomorrow, the way things are going. Assuming Terry's not willing to bankroll huge losses for them (it has to "run like a business"), it would have implications for the franchise. We'd essentially be a poor small-market team again. The funny thing about his son Mike is that he is uber critical of the team, and especially Darcy, on twitter.
.55. Posted July 25, 2013 Report Posted July 25, 2013 Easy there. Sprawling, meandering threads are a way of life around here. Especially in the off-season. This tangent has elicited good content from a cadre of regular posters. ... I'm not throwing shade your way, 55 -- I'm just trying to stand up for an aspect of this board's culture that I cherish. Nobody likes culture change suggestions from the uninitiated and I understand that. The board's vibe is the reason I'm here. I like how things wander but this seems to have broken down to the point of walking excitedly in circles because you've found some fresh tracks. As an old mentor of mine used to say: Compartmentalization is the hobgoblin of a simple mind. Ha! If only it were so easy!
Eleven Posted July 25, 2013 Report Posted July 25, 2013 As an old mentor of mine used to say: Compartmentalization is the hobgoblin of a simple mind. Your mentor is taking way too much liberty with Emerson.
MattPie Posted July 25, 2013 Report Posted July 25, 2013 The press creds thing is a non-starter because I don't think what happens on this board reflects an "organizational hammer". If the Sabres had influence over here, I can guarantee that, by now, PA, GODD, perhaps myself and some other posters, would be gone, or, at the very least, there'd be bans and lots of PMs going on. The current socio/political climate since the 50s supports that type of Draconian action, so, I really don't think that's an issue at all. To me, the whole thing represents a culture, or community mindset, that is, at best, disconcerting. Thankfully it only comes up with "extreme" issues. It's one thing to filter out outrageously stupid trade ideas and eklund rumours, it's another thing to trash well-researched and reasoned ideas that, to some, may be coming out of left field. Fixed that for you. :) I guess the line here is what "well researched" means. From my reading of the posts, there isn't much "proof" beyond A> Pegula was friendly with people at Penn State B> some people at Penn State did some very bad things C> Pegula didn't make a sufficiently strong statement that the Penn State debacle was wrong. Maybe I'm being generous or blinded by bias, but for A, I know I've kept secrets from friends and those secrets aren't even close to[0] as bad as what was going on there. I find it hard to believe that all these people knew about this and managed to keep it a secret that long. As for C, well, I can understand not piling in on something that plenty have already denounced. [0] I was dating a girl at work for awhile that no one found out about to this day, including the people we go to lunch with almost daily.
carpandean Posted July 25, 2013 Report Posted July 25, 2013 So ... back to Girgensons ... http://gifmaker.me/PlayGIFAnimation.php?folder=2013072511wRWK0nSO1oBbime2UkJB3G&file=output_a6icDc.gif http://gifmaker.me/PlayGIFAnimation.php?folder=2013072512Ci0LJxxFk1TTVPsWm0BPPk&file=output_jxjmF4.gif :thumbsup:
That Aud Smell Posted July 25, 2013 Report Posted July 25, 2013 but this seems to have broken down to the point of walking excitedly in circles because you've found some fresh tracks. fair deuce. Your mentor is taking way too much liberty with Emerson. fair deu--wait, what? EDIT: had to google it. never heard that quote before. "hobgoblin of a simple/little mind" is a terrific turn of phrase. So ... back to Girgensons ... noice.
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted July 25, 2013 Report Posted July 25, 2013 Fixed that for you. :) I guess the line here is what "well researched" means. From my reading of the posts, there isn't much "proof" beyond A> Pegula was friendly with people at Penn State B> some people at Penn State did some very bad things C> Pegula didn't make a sufficiently strong statement that the Penn State debacle was wrong. Maybe I'm being generous or blinded by bias, but for A, I know I've kept secrets from friends and those secrets aren't even close to[0] as bad as what was going on there. I find it hard to believe that all these people knew about this and managed to keep it a secret that long. As for C, well, I can understand not piling in on something that plenty have already denounced. [0] I was dating a girl at work for awhile that no one found out about to this day, including the people we go to lunch with almost daily. There is so much lockstep between key figures in this debacle, that it pretty much impossible the majority or all of them didn't know at least of the allegations of what was going on, and most likely, that it actually happened. I am VERY comfortable talking about this with all the information that is out there. In fact, as of 10 months ago, there were still multiple federal investigations of some sort going on.....which is the only pass I am willing to give the Sabres brass at this point...that the lawyers are telling them to shut up because the search continues. I don't expect everyone to know all the facts, and understand the possible motives for all involved to cover up the situation. Just look at how this thread went. Girgensons posted that picture. The first group of replies was praising it as some Sabres team bonding experience. There were catcalls at how people would put them down for it. Chz herself said Girgensons was 19 in the photo. All I did was take 5 minutes of research to come to the understanding: 1)There were the tags of Rookie Dinner, but also Dubuque 2)He played for Dubuque in US juniors....as a rookie he was 16 years old 3)A player thanking him for paying for the meal was on the team at the beginning of the year, and then transferred to another school the next 2 years 4)There were players on the team at the time who were as young as 15 5)When searching Dubuque, a sponsor of their playoff games is a Shelter Home for women who's mission statement includes: Stop the sexual stereotyping of women. They handed out towels with the motto: "Stop the Silence". Now....this was after an initial 5 minute query, and 15 minutes of actual legwork. It seems as if some people don't see anything abnormal with the picture or situation....to which I say, God Bless you. Party on. However, given those set of facts, even if you take no offense to the picture itself, I would advise a member of my organization that as a professional, that is not the best idea to advertise your involvement or endorsement of the activity. Now....I understand people don't have the time or care to follow through on things that raise an eyebrow, or in many cases...their eyebrow does not have the same twitching muscles as mine. That's fine. But I scoff at the constant calls by some at paranoia or tinfoil. I assume most of it is to try to get a rise, but I also feel some of it is legitimate as they do not posses the skills and experience needed to identify and understand the potential severity of certain links. By asking questions and following through, I am doing what comes natural to me. In a case like Penn State, and with the novelty of the new Sabres ownership at the time and the strong ties to the school and athletic department, I took keen interest in the events at hand, even moreso than I would have with one of the most disgusting scandals in recent memory. My initial "uh-oh", turned into more grave concern as facts continued to come in. We are also almost 2 years out from initial disclosure, and we have had 2 more years of watching the new Sabres executive team in action. Two more years to see how behavioral patterns emerge. Two more years to compare words and deeds. And granted, 2 more years with no formal wrongdoing accused by authorities....which is why I am sure some people find this discussion not worthy. I also don't take bringing the discussion up lightly. It's not fun being looked at in a critical way or scrutinized, especially with something this dastardly that started the chain of events in motion. I pray, hope and assume that those associated with the Sabres were not involved with any direct actions at the top of the food chain of what happened. That is key here. But I also in my heart of hearts can't say with any sincerity that they had no clue about what was happening given the overwhelming facts surrounding the situation. They are 1 degree of separation on a half dozen occasions. Again, we've contained this talk to this thread as a direct aside to a tangent. I expect it to peter out. While I do not expect assume any member of the Sabres is guilty of ultimate sin, I am very disappointed in how they have handled the situation, and am not pleased with some of the duties assigned to Mr. Benson given the circumstances involved.
spndnchz Posted July 25, 2013 Author Report Posted July 25, 2013 You forgot "Steps down from soapbox" at the end there.
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted July 25, 2013 Report Posted July 25, 2013 You forgot "Steps down from soapbox" at the end there. Here's my gift to you... Yes....I'm stepping down from the soapbox....
LGR4GM Posted July 25, 2013 Report Posted July 25, 2013 Since I work at a major University let me tell you a secret... Departments like Athletics are huge. In my department, after a year, I have met people that I never knew worked for us. People that I met yesterday and had never met prior all within my department. If one of them did something why the hell would I know? Your assumption that just because Pegula knew Paterno or the Athletic director so he must have heard about what was going on is conspiracy theory at its worse. Did Pegula hang out with Paterno and know every single thing that was going on with his FOOTBALL team? No. If Pegs owned the Bills and was actively supporting the football program and had been for years and was buddies with Paterno than yea, we should be having this discussion in earnest. But he isn't. You think that child rape comes up in every day conversation. "O hey Pegs just thought I should let you know that one of our football coaches likes little boys" Yea those types of things are kept hush hush which is why no one hears about them for years until someone spills the beans. Pegula is not in charge of the Athletic department at Penn State or the University. He is a high profile donor who gets to shake hands with the big wigs and gets his ego stroked so he will donate more. Doubt the head of the Alumni association is just like "Hey pegs! Did you hear that in the football program someone likes little boys?" No. Even if people did know Terry Pegula the Billionaire who wants to donate is one of the last people you mention something like that to.
That Aud Smell Posted July 25, 2013 Report Posted July 25, 2013 My condolences... Thanks. I won't make a crack about how it's your site's buggy formatting that plunks those rando bits of font code in there. Besides which, that would be too generous, if anything.
darksabre Posted July 25, 2013 Report Posted July 25, 2013 GoDD, you really aught to compile and organize your entire theory into a short book and publish it online somewhere.
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted July 25, 2013 Report Posted July 25, 2013 Since I work at a major University let me tell you a secret... Departments like Athletics are huge. In my department, after a year, I have met people that I never knew worked for us. People that I met yesterday and had never met prior all within my department. If one of them did something why the hell would I know? Your assumption that just because Pegula knew Paterno or the Athletic director so he must have heard about what was going on is conspiracy theory at its worse. Did Pegula hang out with Paterno and know every single thing that was going on with his FOOTBALL team? No. If Pegs owned the Bills and was actively supporting the football program and had been for years and was buddies with Paterno than yea, we should be having this discussion in earnest. But he isn't. You think that child rape comes up in every day conversation. "O hey Pegs just thought I should let you know that one of our football coaches likes little boys" Yea those types of things are kept hush hush which is why no one hears about them for years until someone spills the beans. Pegula is not in charge of the Athletic department at Penn State or the University. He is a high profile donor who gets to shake hands with the big wigs and gets his ego stroked so he will donate more. Doubt the head of the Alumni association is just like "Hey pegs! Did you hear that in the football program someone likes little boys?" No. Even if people did know Terry Pegula the Billionaire who wants to donate is one of the last people you mention something like that to. You can go to the Penn State thread if you want to read more. There are more facts involved than listed there. The money trail and communication trail linking all relevant parties is beyond circumstantial. The motive to keep a lid on things ranges into the billions of dollars when including investment projects, political connections, school donations, charity donations, and job security. That is why I am so comfortable at this point voicing my adamant displeasure. The timing of many events in the year leading up to the public case being brought forth is also beyond intriguing. The reports filed by credible news sources in Chicago, PA, and the UK, also should force one to take pause.
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted July 25, 2013 Report Posted July 25, 2013 GoDD, you really aught to compile and organize your entire theory into a short book and publish it online somewhere. There is a national sports figure doing so right now if I understand correctly. I'm more of a well-wisher. The feeling is that there are chapters to come. And the only thing I am aware of are the connections that would lead to knowing. Take Tyler Myers for instance. He has multiple signs of Marfan before being drafted. He has multiple physical and conditioning issues since being a Sabre that is consistent with Marfan. Do I know for a fact he will eventually be debilitated by the disease? No. Is it prudent for a medical staff to do extra monitoring given his history? I would think and hope so. By stating that there are multiple signs in multiple areas that point to it as an issue doesn't necessarily mean the kid is going to have his aorta burst during a game...as that is the worst case scenario. But to laugh off that possibility is not only folly, but negligent in my opinion. Same goes for the Penn State situation. I have never said the worst case scenario is anywhere near probable. There are plenty of other facts however that I feel warrant a thorough vetting, and a strong response from those involved would have made me much more confident that I can trust those involved with the hockey team.
SwampD Posted July 25, 2013 Report Posted July 25, 2013 You can go to the Penn State thread if you want to read more. There are more facts involved than listed there. The money trail and communication trail linking all relevant parties is beyond circumstantial. The motive to keep a lid on things ranges into the billions of dollars when including investment projects, political connections, school donations, charity donations, and job security. That is why I am so comfortable at this point voicing my adamant displeasure. The timing of many events in the year leading up to the public case being brought forth is also beyond intriguing. The reports filed by credible news sources in Chicago, PA, and the UK, also should force one to take pause. Let's say everything you think is true, is actually true. It still doesn't change the fact that dressing up like a girl, as a 15-19yo, does not turn you into a pediphile. I have first hand knowledge of this. And for the record, it is impossibler for a 15-19yo boy, when dressing as a girl. to not look like a prostitute. BTW,the picture that launched a thousand words has actually been removed.
spndnchz Posted July 25, 2013 Author Report Posted July 25, 2013 Surely Benson and Myers isn't all you've got.
Claude_Verret Posted July 25, 2013 Report Posted July 25, 2013 There is a national sports figure doing so right now if I understand correctly. I'm more of a well-wisher. The feeling is that there are chapters to come. And the only thing I am aware of are the connections that would lead to knowing. Take Tyler Myers for instance. He has multiple signs of Marfan before being drafted. He has multiple physical and conditioning issues since being a Sabre that is consistent with Marfan. Do I know for a fact he will eventually be debilitated by the disease? No. Is it prudent for a medical staff to do extra monitoring given his history? I would think and hope so. By stating that there are multiple signs in multiple areas that point to it as an issue doesn't necessarily mean the kid is going to have his aorta burst during a game...as that is the worst case scenario. But to laugh off that possibility is not only folly, but negligent in my opinion. Same goes for the Penn State situation. I have never said the worst case scenario is anywhere near probable. There are plenty of other facts however that I feel warrant a thorough vetting, and a strong response from those involved would have made me much more confident that I can trust those involved with the hockey team. Isn't it more reasonable to assume that NHL teams employ top physicians to conduct physicals to rule out potential career ending disorders for these players that they've invested millions of dollars in?
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted July 25, 2013 Report Posted July 25, 2013 Isn't it more reasonable to assume that NHL teams employ top physicians to conduct physicals to rule out potential career ending disorders for these players that they've invested millions of dollars in? It's reasonable...but given the history of the medical staff which we have debated over the years, maybe not probable. It's also a progressive disease from the teens to mid twenties from what I understand. I know a poster here has said they have it. That was personal enough to reveal, but he is pretty open and maybe sometime can give some color. And I'm just happy someone knows who Puffer is! Surely Benson and Myers isn't all you've got. Whatcha thinkin'? Let's say everything you think is true, is actually true. It still doesn't change the fact that dressing up like a girl, as a 15-19yo, does not turn you into a pediphile. I have first hand knowledge of this. And for the record, it is impossibler for a 15-19yo boy, when dressing as a girl. to not look like a prostitute. BTW,the picture that launched a thousand words has actually been removed. I've explained it 3 times.....no it doesn't. The picture I posted of two smiling coaches was in direct response to the picture itself, and the sarcastic, smartalec tone taken in the posts directly following.....which all assumed it was a picture of Sabres prospects. I was told "you have a problem....get help". At which time I pointed out the double standard of me getting chastised for posting a picture that alone without interpretation, has zero questionable content...as opposed to a picture of young teen boys dressed like that. I guess a follow up to your belief that the original picture is fine....what if someone were to post a picture of 15 and 16 year old GIRLS dressed like that? Same? Better? Worse?
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