Trade for the 1st pick? Yakupov?

[Randall Flagg]

Hehe. Poop colored binoculars.

 

And lighten up guys, it's a long weekend! Summer is almost here! Only 4.5 months till the season starts. (unless...lockout....)

But seriously, this thread was hard to read. I don't think the Myers for Pick move is as obviously answered as others do, though I probably wouldn't do it. Let's not argue over something that has such a small chance of happening, it is depressing to see.

[nobody]

Do blue and gold colored glasses let you see things in 3D SabresVision?

[deluca67]

If your going to post absolutely nothing (see above post) just don't post.

 

You have yet to make any argument for your point at all. Your stance is simply "I'm right, you are wrong. The sabres are crap, bitch and moan." Spare me the blue n gold colored glasses. Tell me in what way you think I am wrong and stop acting like everything you say is gold and any time someone else disagree with you they are naive. :wallbash: Its like arguing with a 5yr old. :doh: :thumbdown: Did I use the right emoticons or was that wrong too? Never mind you will just say I am wearing poop colored binoculars and don't know what the emoticons mean.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where in all this drivel do you explain why you think Myers has regressed? I am assuming you are going to use his point totals for that argument? If thats the case it is a good thing that defensemen are solely relied to score goals and that their individual play happens in a microcasm where there are no outside factors (aka the entire offense sucking giant balls). According to your metrics Ehrhoff is a major bust and we were idiots to get him. He got 18 less pts this season so clearly he is regressing. But I am just going to go put on my pooped colored binoculars and enjoy the fact that I don't think a 12th overall 23yr defensemen should be carrying his team. 3years from now that view will be different but for now, keep making statements with no arguments behind them.

Offensive production is aspect of Myers game that has been disappointing. Compared to Myers' rookie season. his work in his own zone leaves a lot to be desired the past two seasons. Myers shouldn't be getting beat down low as much as he has, and far too many times has minimal pressure on Myers led to turnovers or flubbed clearing passes from his own zone. You have also already mentioned the physical play, Myers needs to be much stronger in front of the net and down low. There are flashes here and there, just enough for me to feel Myers is untouchable.

 

Of course this just my opinion, which I am never shy to share. Which brings me to your ridiculousness regarding Ehrhoff. I often wondered why posters continually feel the need to create opinions for me. Do I not post enough of my own? It's such an odd thing considering I actually like Ehrhoff and don't believe I have been critical of his play. I guess it's good for some that this borad doean;t have a 2 minute penalty for embellishment.

[K-9]

These criticisms of Myers are unfair. We all know he was diagnosed with Marfan's Syndrome by Dr. Drane last year.

 

Now that he's finally been treated for his condition we can look for his game to improve again. Thanks to the miracle of modern medical science, the procedure was a complete success. I don't have the entire back story, but Nathan Gerbe was found to be bone-marrow match and the grafts are taking hold.

 

While Myers will now be playing at a height of 6" 1', the improved coordination as a result of his now shorter stature is well worth it.

 

But the true benefit will be when Gerbe takes the ice at 6 feet, five inches tall.

 

I worry for Lucic.

 

GO SABRES!!!

[carpandean]

While Myers will now be playing at a height of 6" 1', the improved coordination as a result of his now shorter stature is well worth it.

 

But the true benefit will be when Gerbe takes the ice at 6 feet, five inches tall.

 

I eagerly await the "after" photo ...

 

[qwksndmonster]

Nothing lightens the mood like emotionally scarring a child for life. :)

 

Sometimes I think I might actually be, deep down inside, am a terrible person.

Fixed.

 

Is Tyler Myers really wearing a pair of Converses in that picture?

[Trettioåtta]

There is something aesthetically pleasing at the length of Myer's neck

[bunomatic]

I eagerly await the "after" photo ...

 

I'll put my money on the little guy in a one on one battle.

[TrueBlueGED]

I think saying Myers has regressed is a bit strong. When at his best, I absolutely think his play and positioning in his own end is significantly improved. Unfortunately, he's not always at his best. To me it all comes down to consistency. His rookie year he was very consistent (only having the rare off-game, never a long stretch) and now because his highs are higher, when he has bad moments or games or stretches of games, it seems much worse. It's all relative. Warning: incoming bad analogy. When Myers was a rookie, he was a nice temperate 75 degrees, fluctuating from maybe 73-77. Now Myers is a hotter 85 degrees....but the variance is greater, as high as say 95 but as low as 70. Bad analogy over. The save% of Sabres goaltenders is .940 when Myers is on the ice (highest on the team), and I don't think it's an accident. The difference is the standards have changed, not that he's gotten worse.

[dudacek]

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I thought Myers was pretty good last year - certainly better than the year before - and steadier in his own zone than at any time in his career.

I agree with Blue's weather report.

And with the fact that when Myers is on we seem to win.

I am willing to be patient because his size, skill set and attitude are the best package I have ever seen in a Sabre defencemen.

He will get better. His contract will prove to be great one in the long run.

I would not trade him for anyone in this draft.

You don't trade players like that.

[dEnnis the Menace]

I think saying Myers has regressed is a bit strong. When at his best, I absolutely think his play and positioning in his own end is significantly improved. Unfortunately, he's not always at his best. To me it all comes down to consistency. His rookie year he was very consistent (only having the rare off-game, never a long stretch) and now because his highs are higher, when he has bad moments or games or stretches of games, it seems much worse. It's all relative. Warning: incoming bad analogy. When Myers was a rookie, he was a nice temperate 75 degrees, fluctuating from maybe 73-77. Now Myers is a hotter 85 degrees....but the variance is greater, as high as say 95 but as low as 70. Bad analogy over. The save% of Sabres goaltenders is .940 when Myers is on the ice (highest on the team), and I don't think it's an accident. The difference is the standards have changed, not that he's gotten worse.

 

I 100% agree with your analogy...as bad as it was :P

[nobody]

I 100% agree with your analogy...as bad as it was :P

 

Here's my problem - it was such a bad analogy but it got it's point across which makes it a good analogy.

[BuffaloBlood]

Am I the only one who doesnt think that a deal with Edmonton MUST include Myers or Miller? This may be a bad comparison but in 1999

Brian Burke sent the No. 4 selection and a pair of third-round picks to the Tampa Bay Lightning for the top overall pick. (He then traded it in a series of moves to get the 2 & 3 to draft the Sedins). But if it only took a pair of 3rds to move from 4 to 1 how does moving 12 to 1 cost more than the 12, 21 and a good young D man like Pysyk or Brennen? Id even throw in a 2nd rnder or another prospect. Hell if they want Roy (which they wont) I would add him! But I dont see my original ideas as all that far off personally.

[apuszczalowski]

I can depend on how desperate Edmonton is to move out of the top spot, where they are moving to, and if theres is huge demand for Yakupov. I don't think he is one of the Crosby/Can't miss gotta have/Once in a lifetime prospects like Crosby or Ovi, so that can lower the value of the pick. It can also depend if there are other similarly talented players available too. I too don't think it would take Myers and Miller to get the pick, but then again it depends on how desperate Edmonton is to move out of the spot. I think if you are moving Myers (especially Myers and Miller) it would only take the player for the pick, Buffalo would be keeping their 1st rounder also. No way you give up Myers AND your 1st rounder. The Oilers would probably want both 1st from Buffalo AND a good defencemen prospect to make the deal if an established player wasn't part of the deal

[TrueBlueGED]

Am I the only one who doesnt think that a deal with Edmonton MUST include Myers or Miller? This may be a bad comparison but in 1999

Brian Burke sent the No. 4 selection and a pair of third-round picks to the Tampa Bay Lightning for the top overall pick. (He then traded it in a series of moves to get the 2 & 3 to draft the Sedins). But if it only took a pair of 3rds to move from 4 to 1 how does moving 12 to 1 cost more than the 12, 21 and a good young D man like Pysyk or Brennen? Id even throw in a 2nd rnder or another prospect. Hell if they want Roy (which they wont) I would add him! But I dont see my original ideas as all that far off personally.

 

 

Because moving from 4 to 1 is, generally speaking, still within the same tier of talent. There's normally a few "cut points" in the first round where talent, regardless of position, takes a clear step down at some point. Pick 12 is at least 1 and maybe 2 tiers lower than the talent available at #1, and pick 21 is probably a 3rd tier back. That's why.

[shrader]

Because moving from 4 to 1 is, generally speaking, still within the same tier of talent. There's normally a few "cut points" in the first round where talent, regardless of position, takes a clear step down at some point. Pick 12 is at least 1 and maybe 2 tiers lower than the talent available at #1, and pick 21 is probably a 3rd tier back. That's why.

 

You also need to account for the perceived talent level of each specific draft. I don't remember much hype going into that one. Granted a lot of this could be clouded by the knowledge of what Patrick Stefan turned into, but I really don't remember a consensus #1 pick that year or any talk of a deep draft. I feel like I have heard far move about this year being a strong draft class.

 

Then there's the fact that draft picks in general, especially the #1 pick have had an increased value in this post lockout NHL. When comparing the trade value of today's #1 pick to 1999s, you may has well be comparing the goaltending styles of Jon Quick to those of Terry Sawchuk.

[darksabre]

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I thought Myers was pretty good last year - certainly better than the year before - and steadier in his own zone than at any time in his career.

I agree with Blue's weather report.

And with the fact that when Myers is on we seem to win.

I am willing to be patient because his size, skill set and attitude are the best package I have ever seen in a Sabre defencemen.

He will get better. His contract will prove to be great one in the long run.

I would not trade him for anyone in this draft.

You don't trade players like that.

 

Ah, there it is. The word certain individuals around here would like expunged from the dictionary. Patience is key to many things. Building a competitive hockey team is one of those things.

 

There seems to be a presiding perspective, especially amongst older posters, that "they've seen enough" in their time as Sabres fans. They're tired of waiting. They want it all and they want it now, and if you disagree you're apathetic. It's a selfish and biased perspective.

 

Those of us willing to be patient will reap a much greater reward and a much greater sense of satisfaction in watching a champion be built than those who are angry and afraid they'll never see a champion.

 

Myers is certainly an easy target for someone who places fear of failure on a higher pedestal than anticipation of success.

[Randall Flagg]

Patience is easier if you have trust in those who run your team...

[deluca67]

Patience is easier if you have trust in those who run your team...

Exactly! A great example is Nix and Gailey with the Bills. I have more faith in their ability to bring a Championship to Buffalo than I do in Ruff and Regier. After 15 years I have no trust, faith, respect or whatever you want to call it , in Sabres management.

[Weave]

D4rk, with all due respect, your 3rd paragraph is a crock of ######.

 

 

 

Sincerely,

Older Poster

[TrueBlueGED]

D4rk, with all due respect, your 3rd paragraph is a crock of ######.

 

 

 

Sincerely,

Older Poster

 

Perhaps the payoff will be the same, but I'd imagine for those of us who are more patient will have a more enjoyable journey (or at least a more palatable journey) to that end point than those who are always pessimistic/angry/etc.

[Randall Flagg]

Though, when pessimistic/angry, the lows will be expected, and therefore less shocking/painful.

 

Not to mention the ensuing "told ya so" entitlements. :P

[Weave]

Perhaps the payoff will be the same, but I'd imagine for those of us who are more patient will have a more enjoyable journey (or at least a more palatable journey) to that end point than those who are always pessimistic/angry/etc.

 

I can b!tch about the team with the best of 'em. And I have been plenty frustrated in the past. But I doubt anyone gets as much entertainment value out of the team as I do. I'm betting chances are awfully damned good that if you are posting regularly on this site at the end of May you tune in because you enjoy the stink out of it. We all just express our thoughts and emotions differently.

[darksabre]

I can b!tch about the team with the best of 'em. And I have been plenty frustrated in the past. But I doubt anyone gets as much entertainment value out of the team as I do. I'm betting chances are awfully damned good that if you are posting regularly on this site at the end of May you tune in because you enjoy the stink out of it. We all just express our thoughts and emotions differently.

 

B*tching about the team is one thing. Allowing it to shape everything you perceive is a whole different story. My statement was not generalizable, but I don't think you can argue it doesn't have its merits. There are a lot of fans who are angry and don't understand why others are not, simply because the length of their fan-hood has led them to that point. How could one with that perspective possibly derive maximum enjoyment from the penultimate moment of their teams success? If everything prior was negative why would anything after be any different?

 

Not everything needs to be seen in a tragic and negative light. It's a choice.

[Weave]

B*tching about the team is one thing. Allowing it to shape everything you perceive is a whole different story. My statement was not generalizable, but I don't think you can argue it doesn't have its merits. There are a lot of fans who are angry and don't understand why others are not, simply because the length of their fan-hood has led them to that point. How could one with that perspective possibly derive maximum enjoyment from the penultimate moment of their teams success? If everything prior was negative why would anything after be any different?

 

Not everything needs to be seen in a tragic and negative light. It's a choice.

 

Touching points one at a time......

 

You *think* that the team shapes folks like DeLuca's perceptions of everything. I *think* guys like DeLuca get entertained by the convos they have with you. Internet forums are washed up debate team wannabe hangouts. I'm betting he's not too different from you in front of a big screen at a bar with the game on and if you didn't know who the other was you'd have a great conversation about the game.

 

You say the statement I reacted to is not generalizable yet you made a very general statement. Either your choice of wording was poor or you are backpedaling. Whatever. it's a minor point at the end of the day.

 

Yes, there are lots of fans who are angry and don't understand why others are not. You are marginalizing their most likely well thought out and logically obtained points of view when you chalk it up to "length of their fandom". Again, whatever. If it makes you feel better about your POV and your rationale for it then have at it. I'm just here to say that I doubt that yours is any less rational than the next guys, regardless of his/her length of service or satisfaction with the current team. Your mind is set but I'll say it anyway, my first memory of the Sabres was pre-1975 and involved a fuzzy rabbit eared reception from a new subdivision on the eastern border of Cheektowaga. From the time I was about 12 I read the Hockey News every week. Looked forward to every draft day. Managed to see a few training camp sessions every season at SabreLand. Waited with great anticipation for every opening day. Got excited over every all star game roster announcement, every trade deadline day, and every post season. I breathed heavy while waiting for the next savior of the team be he named Virta, Cyr, Tucker, Priestlay, Anderson, Greg Brown, Curtis Brown, Brad Brown, Brad May, Phillipe Boucher, David Cooper, or David Snuggerud. Do you really think that guys like me (and I am rather certain DeLuca is more like me in this respect that you'll want to acknowledge) aren't going to get the biggest frickin woodie they've ever experienced if they ever watch a Sabre hoisting the Stanley CUp at center ice? I didn't go on that little diatribe in an attempt to prove to you or anyone else that I am a better or more *right* fan than anyone else. I went through the effort just now to show you that us "older fans" have our experiences, none of which we want to give up, and have valid points of views for the sides we take. Even if you don;t agree with them. Your perspective is no more correct, and no more able to lend you a maximum enjoyment experience should a Cup come to town than mine. Or DeLuca's. Or ThatAudSmell's. Or LGR4GM's for that matter. That horse you are sitting on is a tad too high.

 

Personally, I think the issues you (and the DeLuca's of this teams fans from the opposite end of the spectrum) have come down to hyperbole. Neither of you guys seem willing to read into the details of the others POV and distill the other side down into an exaggerated version of what each other is really saying. Viewing this board gets to be like watching Fox News for 30 minutes at prime time and then switching over to MSNBC for the next 30. Rush Limbaugh vs. Keith Olbermann.