Trade for the 1st pick? Yakupov?

[apuszczalowski]

IMO, fans look at Miller and Myers the same way. They don't see Miller for the goalie he is, they see the Miller of that one Olympic year. In Myers case they see the Rookie of the Year Myers, not the Myers of the past two seasons. I guess anyone who doesn't disagree is an "idiot." That's fine with me, it just gives me more opportunities for some "I told you so" posts in the future.

Myers isn't a franchise defenseman. The hope is that he regains the momentum of his rookie season and becomes a "franchise" player. Right now he is a player whose value is tied up in his "potential."

 

If the Sabres have anything, it's young blue liners with "potential." A player like McNabb is as likely to become that "franchise" blue liner as Myers is.

Its not because people disagree with you that they call you an idiot, its because you come here and say stuff like this

People do see Miller for the goalie he is, a very good one, and its not just because of the Olympic year. He has kept the Sabres in more games then he has cost them, and been one of the reasons why they have made the playoffs in previous years. Last year he was the reason why an overmatched Sabres team lasted 7 games against the Flyers. This year it was his play that brought them back into the playoff picture until the last couple days of the season. He isn't Hasek, and he isn't the best goalie in the league, but he is in the upper tier group of goalies, and tehre are many teams out there that would love to take him off our hands if DR would ever be dumb enough to move him

 

As for Myers, McNabb could become a franchise defencemen over him, but he isn't "as likely to become" that franchise player as Myers. Theres a difference between the potential a player has and having a chance of doing something. All NHLers have a chance to become the next franchise player once they make the NHL, some players chances are greater then others. Myers chances are greater then McNabbs because Myers potential is much higher. Thats not to say things will work out that way though. Myers is a very good defencemen, and he is still very young and developping. It has taken many of the best defencemen more then 3 years to turn into the franchise guy. Chara was moved twice before he became the player he is in Boston. I guess you would have been with the Islanders GM at that time and been all over moving him instead of having saome patience with him.

 

Right, you can increase the overall level of grit on this team even if you add another skill guy. So often around here, it seems like people are saying every single player added to this team needs to be the physical type.

Theres that and wanting to rebuild/change because the new "flavour of the month" cup winner plays a different style that is the only for a team to win the cup. LAst Season it was all about how teams dont need a #1 centre, When Philly was in the Finals it was all about not needing a #1 goalie, etc. There is no right or wrong way to build a winner, the only common denominator is that you have the best team that you can with the best players

[dudacek]

As for Myers, McNabb could become a franchise defencemen over him, but he isn't "as likely to become" that franchise player as Myers. Theres a difference between the potential a player has and having a chance of doing something. All NHLers have a chance to become the next franchise player once they make the NHL, some players chances are greater then others. Myers chances are greater then McNabbs because Myers potential is much higher. Thats not to say things will work out that way though. Myers is a very good defencemen, and he is still very young and developping. It has taken many of the best defencemen more then 3 years to turn into the franchise guy.

 

That hits on what I was asking Deluca to address: there are few defencemen under the age of 23 who are franchise players. How many have better potential to become one than Myers? And if he trades Myers, how is he going to acquire that player? Crossing your fingers on a player with the track record of McNabb (and I like McNabb) doesn't sound like a sound management plan to me.

[deluca67]

That hits on what I was asking Deluca to address: there are few defencemen under the age of 23 who are franchise players. How many have better potential to become one than Myers? And if he trades Myers, how is he going to acquire that player? Crossing your fingers on a player with the track record of McNabb (and I like McNabb) doesn't sound like a sound management plan to me.

You are also crossing your fingers with Myers just as much as you would be with McNabb. Right now Myers is living off of his rookie year. I would feel much better about Myers if his seasons were reversed.

Its not because people disagree with you that they call you an idiot, its because you come here and say stuff like this

People do see Miller for the goalie he is, a very good one, and its not just because of the Olympic year. He has kept the Sabres in more games then he has cost them, and been one of the reasons why they have made the playoffs in previous years. Last year he was the reason why an overmatched Sabres team lasted 7 games against the Flyers. This year it was his play that brought them back into the playoff picture until the last couple days of the season. He isn't Hasek, and he isn't the best goalie in the league, but he is in the upper tier group of goalies, and tehre are many teams out there that would love to take him off our hands if DR would ever be dumb enough to move him

 

As for Myers, McNabb could become a franchise defencemen over him, but he isn't "as likely to become" that franchise player as Myers. Theres a difference between the potential a player has and having a chance of doing something. All NHLers have a chance to become the next franchise player once they make the NHL, some players chances are greater then others. Myers chances are greater then McNabbs because Myers potential is much higher. Thats not to say things will work out that way though. Myers is a very good defencemen, and he is still very young and developping. It has taken many of the best defencemen more then 3 years to turn into the franchise guy. Chara was moved twice before he became the player he is in Boston. I guess you would have been with the Islanders GM at that time and been all over moving him instead of having saome patience with him.

 

Theres that and wanting to rebuild/change because the new "flavour of the month" cup winner plays a different style that is the only for a team to win the cup. LAst Season it was all about how teams dont need a #1 centre, When Philly was in the Finals it was all about not needing a #1 goalie, etc. There is no right or wrong way to build a winner, the only common denominator is that you have the best team that you can with the best players

Miller does nothing more than most of the goalies in the league do, many of which make far less. Miller is a very good goalie, he is not top tier or elite as they say. If Miller was a $3 mil a year I would have no issues. At over $6 mil a year, the Sabres could be spending that money a little more wisely.

 

Right, you can increase the overall level of grit on this team even if you add another skill guy. So often around here, it seems like people are saying every single player added to this team needs to be the physical type.

That is because of the make of the top six. If Foligno continues to play as he did last season he will easily be the most popular Sabre. A player that can score and has a physical game is a dream come true for many. Let's not forget we are still just months away from Lucic steam rolling this team out of the playoffs.

[dudacek]

So if another team offered you Myers for McNabb, you wouldn't make the deal?

They are about the same age. Myers has played more than 200 games and been an above average player during that stretch. McNabb has played 20 and looked like he might belong.

Same level of finger crossing?

[drnkirishone]

I've learned to not bother argueing with certain people here about Myers. They have a severe case of buffaloitus when it comes to his play.

 

 

 

*buffaloitus= negative distorted view of a player cause he plays for buffalo

 

That is because of the make of the top six. If Foligno continues to play as he did last season he will easily be the most popular Sabre. A player that can score and has a physical game is a dream come true for many. Let's not forget we are still just months away from Lucic steam rolling this team out of the playoffs.

 

I am trying to fight my mancrush for Marcus until at least feb of next year. I figure if he is still impressing by then that he has a good chance to continue. Till then I will just keep brainstorming a #82 profile pic

[darksabre]

I wish people would come off it about Myers. The way this team plays with and without him is drastically different, and to say he's not proven is just being grumpy.

 

Myers is a crucial piece of this team and his play is essential to their success.

[deluca67]

So if another team offered you Myers for McNabb, you wouldn't make the deal?

They are about the same age. Myers has played more than 200 games and been an above average player during that stretch. McNabb has played 20 and looked like he might belong.

Same level of finger crossing?

I wouldn't give up McNabb for Myers considering Myers' regression and McNabb's physical play.

[LaFontaineToMogilny]

I wouldn't give up McNabb for Myers considering Myers' regression and McNabb's physical play.

 

I am among the people who would jump on trading Myers for the #1 pick, and I would even be willing to give up more, but the above sentiment is just ridiculous. I'll take it as proof that you're not really here to talk seriously about hockey and the Sabres.

[dudacek]

I see it as proof he is so exasperated by the lack of toughness on this team that it has blinded him to the other ingredients needed to win.

[BuffaloSoldier2010]

I wouldn't give up McNabb for Myers considering Myers' regression and McNabb's physical play.

And this is why you are talking about it on a message board, and not with NHL GMs.

 

That sentiment is just plain ridiculous.

[drnkirishone]

just wait till McNabb has played a season or 2 so he can say that he is overrated and that we should trade him whilest his potental is still high

[deluca67]

And this is why you are talking about it on a message board, and not with NHL GMs.

 

That sentiment is just plain ridiculous.

So that's the reason! :doh: Go figure.

 

just wait till McNabb has played a season or 2 so he can say that he is overrated and that we should trade him whilest his potental is still high

That would depend if McNabb's game regressed over that time like Myers' game has. Please continue to ignore that point and continue with this silliness. It is very enjoyable, not many good comedies on TV these days.

[BuffaloSoldier2010]

So that's the reason! :doh: Go figure.

 

 

That would depend if McNabb's game regressed over that time like Myers' game has. Please continue to ignore that point and continue with this silliness. It is very enjoyable, not many good comedies on TV these days.

 

I still dont understand how a defensemen who has been in the league for three years and is still growing into his body is considered a failure in your eyes simply because he isnt a top 5 d man in the league.

 

Maybe if our forwards could finish he'd have more assists? And therefore would have a better +/-

The difference in how this team does with him in and out of the lineup is night and day.

[deluca67]

I still dont understand how a defensemen who has been in the league for three years and is still growing into his body is considered a failure in your eyes simply because he isnt a top 5 d man in the league.

 

Maybe if our forwards could finish he'd have more assists? And therefore would have a better +/-

The difference in how this team does with him in and out of the lineup is night and day.

That's a gross misrepresentation of my opinion of Myers.

 

Myers is a good defenseman, far from being a failure. He is also far from being a "franchise" player. Starting next season Myers is going to be paid like a big time player. If he plays as he has done the past two seasons it will be highly disappointing. Myers play over the past two seasons has, IMO, makes Myers a prime candidate for a trade. Like Chara and Pronger it may be the best thing for him.

 

I would trade Myers in a heartbeat for a chance at a #1 pick overall. Miller I would throw in just to dump his salary.

[North Buffalo]

That's a gross misrepresentation of my opinion of Myers.

 

Myers is a good defenseman, far from being a failure. He is also far from being a "franchise" player. Starting next season Myers is going to be paid like a big time player. If he plays as he has done the past two seasons it will be highly disappointing. Myers play over the past two seasons has, IMO, makes Myers a prime candidate for a trade. Like Chara and Pronger it may be the best thing for him.

 

I would trade Myers in a heartbeat for a chance at a #1 pick overall. Miller I would throw in just to dump his salary.

 

I agree that I would trade Myers or Miller for the number #1 pick, but not both. I do think ...(technically that would be idiotic),

 

I would rather trade Miller. The Sabres appear to have talented goal keepers in the pipeline.

 

Big guys like Myers and Chara take a while and you don't throw the baby out with the bath water. That being said, I would rather trade Myers for a #1 center, not a #1 draft pick, I think he is worth that at least. You can't teach height with his type of skating even if he is not Chara nasty.

 

The name calling is funny to me but probably should be kept to a minimum because of bent egos and keeping some decorum. Sorry, I used to work in the political arena and everything is fair game and the more you can Ed Sullivan it the more it is likely to be believed.

 

This board is incredibly tame and DeLuca knows it. Man this offseason is Ruff.

[LGR4GM]

I wish people would come off it about Myers. The way this team plays with and without him is drastically different, and to say he's not proven is just being grumpy.

 

Myers is a crucial piece of this team and his play is essential to their success.

The team is significantly better with Myers in the line up. This argument is exactly the same one I have with people about Pommers. Pommers sucks, hes overpaid, hes a crap captain, but him on the 3rd line he isn't gritty enough. Apparently 65-70pts every year except for the one he got injured is crappy... to bad we don't have more crappy players averaging 65pts.

 

As far as Myers goes, I do not think he has gotten worse since his Rookie year I think the defense has been in a constant state of flux since his Rookie year. His sophmore slump was no big surprise and I felt as if this past season he played closer to his rookie season but the problem was no one had the same defensive partner for more than 2 games because of a string of injuries. Injuries btw that included Myers breaking his wrist. Next year he will make "big boy" money but that contract is not for next year its for 3-7years from now when Darcy believes Myers will be an extremely good defender.

[darksabre]

The team is significantly better with Myers in the line up. This argument is exactly the same one I have with people about Pommers. Pommers sucks, hes overpaid, hes a crap captain, but him on the 3rd line he isn't gritty enough. Apparently 65-70pts every year except for the one he got injured is crappy... to bad we don't have more crappy players averaging 65pts.

 

As far as Myers goes, I do not think he has gotten worse since his Rookie year I think the defense has been in a constant state of flux since his Rookie year. His sophmore slump was no big surprise and I felt as if this past season he played closer to his rookie season but the problem was no one had the same defensive partner for more than 2 games because of a string of injuries. Injuries btw that included Myers breaking his wrist. Next year he will make "big boy" money but that contract is not for next year its for 3-7years from now when Darcy believes Myers will be an extremely good defender.

 

Agreed on all points. :beer:

[deluca67]

The team is significantly better with Myers in the line up. This argument is exactly the same one I have with people about Pommers. Pommers sucks, hes overpaid, hes a crap captain, but him on the 3rd line he isn't gritty enough. Apparently 65-70pts every year except for the one he got injured is crappy... to bad we don't have more crappy players averaging 65pts.

 

As far as Myers goes, I do not think he has gotten worse since his Rookie year I think the defense has been in a constant state of flux since his Rookie year. His sophmore slump was no big surprise and I felt as if this past season he played closer to his rookie season but the problem was no one had the same defensive partner for more than 2 games because of a string of injuries. Injuries btw that included Myers breaking his wrist. Next year he will make "big boy" money but that contract is not for next year its for 3-7years from now when Darcy believes Myers will be an extremely good defender.

"Better" does not equal "good enough."

 

The Buffalo Sabres, the all-time league leader in excuses.

[LGR4GM]

"Better" does not equal "good enough."

 

The Buffalo Sabres, the all-time league leader in excuses.

OMFG ITS HIS 3RD YEAR WTH DO YOU WANT? CHARA, WEBER, ECT... ALL ARE GREAT NOW BUT WERENT BY YEAR 3 MUST MEAN THEY SUCK!. Enjoy being bitter and I am not making excuses. This team sucked this past season. They played like crap. Vanek was crap (injuries may have been a factor) Roy was garbage, Miller sucked, stafford sucked and leino sucked. They played like big babies and did nothing. They all sucked. But you know what I am not going to say that Tyler Myers was a contributing factor to the overall sucking when I can literally look back at the games he didn't play and see the sabres win/loss ratio do a complete 180.

 

YOU CAN NOT BUILD A STANLEY CUP TEAM IN 1 SEASON. Accept it and move on.

[deluca67]

OMFG ITS HIS 3RD YEAR WTH DO YOU WANT? CHARA, WEBER, ECT... ALL ARE GREAT NOW BUT WERENT BY YEAR 3 MUST MEAN THEY SUCK!. Enjoy being bitter and I am not making excuses. This team sucked this past season. They played like crap. Vanek was crap (injuries may have been a factor) Roy was garbage, Miller sucked, stafford sucked and leino sucked. They played like big babies and did nothing. They all sucked. But you know what I am not going to say that Tyler Myers was a contributing factor to the overall sucking when I can literally look back at the games he didn't play and see the sabres win/loss ratio do a complete 180.

 

YOU CAN NOT BUILD A STANLEY CUP TEAM IN 1 SEASON. Accept it and move on.

A progression in Myers play is what I have been looking for. That has nothing to do with what his teammates do. The rest of the post is the same excuse making that has become far to common on this board. The idea of making it about every other player is ridiculous. Myers' play, as it stands by itself, has been disappointing compared to his rookie year. Just because he is only 23 and and just finished his third season doesn't mean we shouldn't expect to see the signs of maturity in his game. That's on Myers, the rest is just the same old same old.

[darksabre]

"Better" does not equal "good enough."

 

The Buffalo Sabres, the all-time league leader in excuses.

 

DeLuca, all time leader in making mountains out of molehills.

[LGR4GM]

A progression in Myers play is what I have been looking for. That has nothing to do with what his teammates do. The rest of the post is the same excuse making that has become far to common on this board. The idea of making it about every other player is ridiculous. Myers' play, as it stands by itself, has been disappointing compared to his rookie year. Just because he is only 23 and and just finished his third season doesn't mean we shouldn't expect to see the signs of maturity in his game. That's on Myers, the rest is just the same old same old.

Listen, Myers looked so great when he was a rookie because his linemate made him look great. Tallinder covered up a lot of his mistakes and made the kid look more solid than he was as a rookie. IMHO his individual play has actual done the opposite of what you say and progressed quite a bit. His points have dropped because of him being more defensively responsible, his overall game though has easily improved. Just say it, you hate him because he doesn't run sh*t over.

 

Tyler Myers rookie season was not as awesome as everyone seems to remember. Miller won a vezina that year and Tallinder played pretty damn good and that made Myers look better. He is better today than he was in 2010. He will be better in 2013 than he was today. I guess I just measure progression differently. You have a good holiday because this conversation is over.

[deluca67]

Listen, Myers looked so great when he was a rookie because his linemate made him look great. Tallinder covered up a lot of his mistakes and made the kid look more solid than he was as a rookie. IMHO his individual play has actual done the opposite of what you say and progressed quite a bit. His points have dropped because of him being more defensively responsible, his overall game though has easily improved. Just say it, you hate him because he doesn't run sh*t over.

 

Tyler Myers rookie season was not as awesome as everyone seems to remember. Miller won a vezina that year and Tallinder played pretty damn good and that made Myers look better. He is better today than he was in 2010. He will be better in 2013 than he was today. I guess I just measure progression differently. You have a good holiday because this conversation is over.

If you're going to post things like "his overall game though has easily improved", it is clear your blue and gold colored glasses are firmly in place. :doh:

[LGR4GM]

If you're going to post things like "his overall game though has easily improved", it is clear your blue and gold colored glasses are firmly in place. :doh:

If your going to post absolutely nothing (see above post) just don't post.

 

You have yet to make any argument for your point at all. Your stance is simply "I'm right, you are wrong. The sabres are crap, bitch and moan." Spare me the blue n gold colored glasses. Tell me in what way you think I am wrong and stop acting like everything you say is gold and any time someone else disagree with you they are naive. :wallbash: Its like arguing with a 5yr old. :doh: :thumbdown: Did I use the right emoticons or was that wrong too? Never mind you will just say I am wearing poop colored binoculars and don't know what the emoticons mean.

 

I wouldn't give up McNabb for Myers considering Myers' regression and McNabb's physical play.

So that's the reason! :doh: Go figure.

 

 

That would depend if McNabb's game regressed over that time like Myers' game has. Please continue to ignore that point and continue with this silliness. It is very enjoyable, not many good comedies on TV these days.

That's a gross misrepresentation of my opinion of Myers.

 

Myers is a good defenseman, far from being a failure. He is also far from being a "franchise" player. Starting next season Myers is going to be paid like a big time player. If he plays as he has done the past two seasons it will be highly disappointing. Myers play over the past two seasons has, IMO, makes Myers a prime candidate for a trade. Like Chara and Pronger it may be the best thing for him.

 

I would trade Myers in a heartbeat for a chance at a #1 pick overall. Miller I would throw in just to dump his salary.

"Better" does not equal "good enough."

 

The Buffalo Sabres, the all-time league leader in excuses.

A progression in Myers play is what I have been looking for. That has nothing to do with what his teammates do. The rest of the post is the same excuse making that has become far to common on this board. The idea of making it about every other player is ridiculous. Myers' play, as it stands by itself, has been disappointing compared to his rookie year. Just because he is only 23 and and just finished his third season doesn't mean we shouldn't expect to see the signs of maturity in his game. That's on Myers, the rest is just the same old same old.

Where in all this drivel do you explain why you think Myers has regressed? I am assuming you are going to use his point totals for that argument? If thats the case it is a good thing that defensemen are solely relied to score goals and that their individual play happens in a microcasm where there are no outside factors (aka the entire offense sucking giant balls). According to your metrics Ehrhoff is a major bust and we were idiots to get him. He got 18 less pts this season so clearly he is regressing. But I am just going to go put on my pooped colored binoculars and enjoy the fact that I don't think a 12th overall 23yr defensemen should be carrying his team. 3years from now that view will be different but for now, keep making statements with no arguments behind them.

[darksabre]

 

If you're going to post things like "his overall game though has easily improved", it is clear your blue and gold colored glasses are firmly in place. :doh:

 

I one hundred percent disagree.