Trade for the 1st pick? Yakupov?

[apuszczalowski]

Somebody is going to back up a truck full of money onto Parise's porch.....but it is really a hard move for Buffalo when the cash is needed for a center.

And not much is available to spend unless they can get some other incompetent GM to help them out and unload some deals

 

The Sabres are a bit Cap strapped this offseason to go out and spend freely this offseason..............

[Weave]

bolded: Oh please. The difference is subtle, but pointless. I have no time in my life for 'thats technically not what I said', that really is an arguement my 13 year old cousin comes out with.

 

The difference is not at all pointless if you are interested in understanding the message someone was *actually* trying to convey. That just might be a little important in a medium where only the written word is being used. ;)

 

I'll call you an idiot if I think you're being an idiot, but I justify my arguments. Treat others how your happy being treated, I'm an atheist but that is a damn good rule and I'm happy being called an idiot if someone thinks I am. Just back it up. I don't classify it as petty name calling, but then again I have been called blunt before so maybe I need to be more 'sensitive'.

 

Lovely. Just what the world needed. Another internet toughguy hiding behind the anonimity of an LCD screen. :rolleyes:

 

I also, if you note, have no problem with other opinions. Its statements that aren't thought through or haven't had any intelligence applied to them. Miller and Myers for a no.1 overall pick as a statement has had no intelligence applied to it, its devaluing our players and massively hyping up an unknown quantity. I can understand his logic if the statement about doing it as a 'shock and awe' move is true though, I can see the logic behind that opinion. Still extreme, but at least there is sound logic there.

 

And see, here's where the lesson in adult conversation comes in. Instead of dumbing down the place you could have simply asked him to explain his rationale behind why he thinks Myers and Miller for the #1 pick made sense. It may have resulted in the same path being trod upon. Who knows, something productive might have gotten posted along the way. Heck, it could have come from your keyboard even.

 

See the difference?

 

Ditto.

[darksabre]

MOMMY DADDY STOP FIGHTING

[LastPommerFan]

MOMMY DADDY STOP FIGHTING

 

Daddy is going to go away for a while. Mommy may say that it's not your fault, that we just need some time apart. I want you to be certain of one thing. It is your fault. Daddy is leaving because you cry.

[Weave]

MOMMY DADDY STOP FIGHTING

 

Shut up and eat your dinner kid.

[millbank]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVG80vqVfSA

 

relax everyone..... remember Roadhouse.... be nice....

[darksabre]

Shut up and eat your dinner kid.

 

:cry:

 

 

relax everyone..... remember Roadhouse.... be nice....

 

some people are too stupid to have a good time.

[RazielSabre]

Daddy is going to go away for a while. Mommy may say that it's not your fault, that we just need some time apart. I want you to be certain of one thing. It is your fault. Daddy is leaving because you cry.

 

LMFAO. Quite possible the funniest post I've ever read.

[LastPommerFan]

LMFAO. Quite possible the funniest post I've ever read.

 

Nothing lightens the mood like emotionally scarring a child for life. :)

 

Sometimes I think I might actually be, deep down inside, a terrible person.

[RazielSabre]

The difference is not at all pointless if you are interested in understanding the message someone was *actually* trying to convey. That just might be a little important in a medium where only the written word is being used. ;)

 

 

 

Lovely. Just what the world needed. Another internet toughguy hiding behind the anonimity of an LCD screen. :rolleyes:

 

 

 

And see, here's where the lesson in adult conversation comes in. Instead of dumbing down the place you could have simply asked him to explain his rationale behind why he thinks Myers and Miller for the #1 pick made sense. It may have resulted in the same path being trod upon. Who knows, something productive might have gotten posted along the way. Heck, it could have come from your keyboard even.

 

 

 

Ditto.

 

Internet toughguy? Lol, Hell no. I am what I am though and speak my mind to a large extent, including calling people out if I feel like it. I do it in real life too, but people understand that if they call me an idiot and justify it I'll listen. If you can't handle that that's your problem, not mine. Deluca didn't respond so he obviously either ignored it or couldn't be bothered to argue. Why did you feel the need to fight his battle?

 

Here is a lesson in this forum: Everyone knows who everyone is, there is very little new blood so everyone has a 'reputation'. I know I disagree with Deluca and despise him as a poster so normally I ignore him but in this instance he was being an idiot, so I said so. If I said Leopold for Edmonton's 1st then I would expect to be called an idiot to. Name calling happens here regularly by the way.

 

I bet if Eleven or someone had said the exact same thing you would have had no problem or at least kept your hole shut, am I right? If so just think about it.

 

EDIT: This forum is like heroin, it's bad for me, I hate it and a large number of other people who use it but I keep coming back. Maybe because when there is a good discussion its a great place to be. Note: I'm not a drug user.

[Weave]

I bet if Eleven or someone had said the exact same thing you would have had no problem or at least kept your hole shut, am I right? If so just think about it.

 

Eleven and I have had a couple of go-arounds about the same thing. So, no, I don't keep my mouth shut when he does it. And I've asked D4rksabre to not do it on at least one occassion as well.

 

As for why I am fighting someone else's battle? Simple. Petty name calling and crap makes threads unreadable to me. I like the place and the vast majority of the personalities here. I don't care to see a bunch of threads devolve into name calling and crap that I find thoroughly unenjoyable.

 

And unfortunately by trying to prevent the downward spiral of a thread I have succeeded in speeding it along. I blame you. :angel:

[LaFontaineToMogilny]

Recently, the first overall picks have been:

Thornton

Lecavalier

Stefan

Dipietro

Kovalchuk

Nash

Fleury

Ovechkin

Crosby

Johnson

Kane

Stamkos

Tavares

Hall

RNH

 

Now, presuming it is Myers and a first (as people have decided for some reason); i would not trade those assets for many of those players (probably Stamkos, Crosby, Ovechkin and maybe Kovalchuk). A defenceman with Myers potential and height is rare and this pick is an unknown - plus, it seems like he ahs not been as highly touted as some previous players.

 

Furthermore, some legit players have gone in the first round, so i think the combination of a potentially awesome player/Myers is better than the potentil of Yakupov.

 

There is a reason why those guys went #1 overall and Myers went 12th. Right now Myers is a top 4 defenseman for us, and has some promising upside. But he has also (in my opinion) stagnated for two seasons and most of his value is in his potential, not the actual player at this point. In the end I think a player like Yakupov could be an excellent fit for the Sabres if they want to expand on the success they had with the Ennis line. To get to a player that gets compared to Pavel Bure you will have to pay, and the Sabres can afford to pay using defense.

 

As a huge fan of fast, skill based hockey I would seriously consider this option if it became available (which I very much doubt it will). The consensus everywhere though seems to be that the Sabres and everyone else in the NHL needs to get tougher and grittier. If that is the path the Sabres want to take, I don't think it makes much sense to trade up to the #1 spot.

[RazielSabre]

Eleven and I have had a couple of go-arounds about the same thing. So, no, I don't keep my mouth shut when he does it. And I've asked D4rksabre to not do it on at least one occassion as well.

 

As for why I am fighting someone else's battle? Simple. Petty name calling and crap makes threads unreadable to me. I like the place and the vast majority of the personalities here. I don't care to see a bunch of threads devolve into name calling and crap that I find thoroughly unenjoyable.

 

And unfortunately by trying to prevent the downward spiral of a thread I have succeeded in speeding it along. I blame you. :angel:

 

Had you left it the thread would be fine, I'll leave it at that.

 

There is a reason why those guys went #1 overall and Myers went 12th. Right now Myers is a top 4 defenseman for us, and has some promising upside. But he has also (in my opinion) stagnated for two seasons and most of his value is in his potential, not the actual player at this point. In the end I think a player like Yakupov could be an excellent fit for the Sabres if they want to expand on the success they had with the Ennis line. To get to a player that gets compared to Pavel Bure you will have to pay, and the Sabres can afford to pay using defense.

 

As a huge fan of fast, skill based hockey I would seriously consider this option if it became available (which I very much doubt it will). The consensus everywhere though seems to be that the Sabres and everyone else in the NHL needs to get tougher and grittier. If that is the path the Sabres want to take, I don't think it makes much sense to trade up to the #1 spot.

 

Myers is our no.1 defensemen at the moment, lose him we're pretty screwed at the back end though. Shooting ourselves in the foot. Like most pundits and bloggers I agree we aren't a viable trading partner with Edmonton.

[TrueBlueGED]

No need to verbally spank the little fella.

 

You just can't be afraid of making the big move. If there is a star at the top of the draft that can come in and play right away then you make the move. The team as it is constructed right now is going nowhere and despite the hopes of many fans they are not one or two moves away from being a contender.

 

I'm not a draft guru, if the kids at the top of this years draft class are as good as some think, make the move. If it costs Miller and Myers, so be it. It's about making an impact, moving a Derek Roy or signing a Zach Parise will not have enough impact to change the Sabres fortunes.

 

1) You state opinion as if it were a fact.

2) Aren't you the one who normally rails against Myers being "untouchable" because he's only potential and has regressed, and should be traded for somebody proven if the offer is there? Well, he's more proven than Yakupov. And Miller, even if you feel he is only above average, is infinitely more proven than Enroth. So basically you criticize those who don't want to give up on Myers' potential for something more proven, then turn around and suggest moving our proven good players for a 100% unknown. You're basically coming off like "anything on the Sabres should be moved for anything off the Sabres, because anything not on the Sabres is by default an improvement even if it's a total unknown."

 

Edit: Final point. I fail to see how anybody can objectively say a lineup including Parise, Myers and Miller as three key cogs is worse than a lineup featuring Enroth and Yakupov. Maybe it would be better eventually, but that would occur a few years down the road, and you never struck me as a guy who cared about winning a few years down the road (in fact I distinctly remember you posting before your'e sick of waiting).

[LaFontaineToMogilny]

 

Myers is our no.1 defensemen at the moment, lose him we're pretty screwed at the back end though. Shooting ourselves in the foot. Like most pundits and bloggers I agree we aren't a viable trading partner with Edmonton.

 

Our record with Myers out last season is definitely a concern, still I think the Sabres are in a much better position to fill a gap on defense than on offense. As for the point of Edmonton not trading their pick to the Sabres I completely agree. I think the scenario is very unlikely.

 

Perhaps I should not entertain scenarios that have very little connection with the real world, but then I feel that a hypothetical exploration of Myers (and more) for Yakupov has as much to do with the intent of the thread as many of the other resent posts in here.

[shrader]

being at all real, folks at times do have heated opinion, wish though at times posters did utilize the pm feature more as not to embarrass each other. I am sincerely hoping the point of this is to gain information, share opinion, have some fun along the way, not tear each other down. :)

 

I was about to say the same exact thing. The entire board does not need to read every little detail of a feud like this one. Taking it to PM usually leads to the whole thing being resolved very civilly.

[LastPommerFan]

I was about to say the same exact thing. The entire board does not need to read every little detail of a feud like this one. Taking it to PM usually leads to the whole thing being resolved very civilly.

 

Too many clicks..And what value does righteous indignation have in a private message?

[LaFontaineToMogilny]

1) You state opinion as if it were a fact.

2) Aren't you the one who normally rails against Myers being "untouchable" because he's only potential and has regressed, and should be traded for somebody proven if the offer is there? Well, he's more proven than Yakupov (who amusingly also regressed in juniors this year, statistically). And Miller, even if you feel he is only above average, is infinitely more proven than Enroth. So basically you criticize those who don't want to give up on Myers' potential for something more proven, then turn around and suggest moving our proven good players for a 100% unknown. You're basically coming off like "anything on the Sabres should be moved for anything off the Sabres, because anything not on the Sabres is by default an improvement even if it's a total unknown."

 

Edit: Final point. I fail to see how anybody can objectively say a lineup including Parise, Myers and Miller as three key cogs is worse than a lineup featuring Enroth and Yakupov. Maybe it would be better eventually, but that would occur a few years down the road, and you never struck me as a guy who cared about winning a few years down the road (in fact I distinctly remember you posting before your'e sick of waiting).

 

I realize this has little to do with the points you are making, but I think it's a stretch to say Yakupov has regressed.

 

2010-11 : 65 GP, 49G, 52A, 101P, 1.55 PPG

2011-12 : 42GP, 31G, 38A, 69P, 1.64 PPG

 

His production is basically unchanged form last year.

[TrueBlueGED]

I realize this has little to do with the points you are making, but I think it's a stretch to say Yakupov has regressed.

 

2010-11 : 65 GP, 49G, 52A, 101P, 1.55 PPG

2011-12 : 42GP, 31G, 38A, 69P, 1.64 PPG

 

His production is basically unchanged form last year.

 

You're right. I looked at raw points without games played, which as a stats guy, is a fairly embarrassing oversight :bag:

[spndnchz]

Sorry. I looked at Miller and Myers for a first and the first thought in my head was "idiot". I looked see who posted it and saw Deluc's name and again, in my head said "ooooohhhhh". :yawn:

[MattPie]

Simple. Petty name calling and crap makes threads unreadable to me. I like the place and the vast majority of the personalities here. I don't care to see a bunch of threads devolve into name calling and crap that I find thoroughly unenjoyable.

I know I disagree with Deluca and despise him as a poster so normally I ignore him but in this instance he was being an idiot, so I said so. If I said Leopold for Edmonton's 1st then I would expect to be called an idiot to.

 

OK, enough already. Weave, when someone calls someone else an idiot, just let them be unless it's a pattern. The poster looks the worse for it anyways.

 

Raz, there's rarely a good reason to call someone an idiot. "that's ridiculous" or "you're just trolling now" would have sufficed in this case and we wouldn't be reading this mindless arguing.

 

If you two can't be civil, I'm turning this car around and there will be no ice cream today.

[spndnchz]

OK, enough already. Weave, when someone calls someone else an idiot, just let them be unless it's a pattern. The poster looks the worse for it anyways.

 

Raz, there's rarely a good reason to call someone an idiot. "that's ridiculous" or "you're just trolling now" would have sufficed in this case and we wouldn't be reading this mindless arguing.

 

If you two can't be civil, I'm turning this car around and there will be no ice cream today.

 

Do all your flavors satisfy?

[SwampD]

Sorry. I looked at Miller and Myers for a first and the first thought in my head was "idiot". I looked see who posted it and saw Deluc's name and again, in my head said "ooooohhhhh". :yawn:

When I saw it, my first thought was,"Hmmmm. Let me think about that...." I'm still not sure where I stand.

 

 

I guess I'm an idiot, too.

[MattPie]

Do all your flavors satisfy?

 

Being white and from the suburbs all I can say that they're not funky.

[spndnchz]

When I saw it, my first thought was,"Hmmmm. Let me think about that...." I'm still not sure where I stand.

 

 

I guess I'm an idiot, too.

 

So when harrington said to get Perry or Ryan it was Myers that had to go you said "yes" I assume. Semi-proven player for proven player. But you will trade Miller AND Myers for a prospective player? Bold move yes, the right one, no, overpaying one, yes.