Trade for the 1st pick? Yakupov?

[Lanny]

You think the conversation would start and end at Myers? I disagree. Unless another team really comes strong or unless Edmonton decides they are not willing to drop back as far as 12 I think we have the tools to make the best offer.

 

If your theory is correct than that leaves just the Blue Jackets, Candaians Islanders and Leafs as trade options.

 

Unless Montreal can part with Subban (who is a RFA) or will trade the 3 and Nathan Beaulieu than they dont have what Edmonton is reportedly looking for.

 

The Leafs would prolly have to give up the 5, as well as Schenn and thats not something Burke has been willing to do. Plus will Toronto really embrace a Russian star?

 

Columbus may be able to make the move but their top D prospect is David Savard and he isnt nearly as highly touted as our guys right now (that may be an admitted homer belief).

 

The Islanders are in the same boat as Edmonton, in that they have top young offensive talent but need defense.

If I'm Edmonton and I'm going to trade the top pick and therefore a potential top offensive talent, and I'm looking for a potential top defensive player, Myers is the only player that represents that from Buffalo's perspective. Myers and pick 12 would be the price I would think it would cost.

 

In the case of the other teams you mentioned Subban/Savard/Schenn don't need to represent the defensive aspect of the trade as the top 5 pick would.

[CallawaySabres]

No need to verbally spank the little fella.

 

You just can't be afraid of making the big move. If there is a star at the top of the draft that can come in and play right away then you make the move. The team as it is constructed right now is going nowhere and despite the hopes of many fans they are not one or two moves away from being a contender.

 

I'm not a draft guru, if the kids at the top of this years draft class are as good as some think, make the move. If it costs Miller and Myers, so be it. It's about making an impact, moving a Derek Roy or signing a Zach Parise will not have enough impact to change the Sabres fortunes.

I think moving Derek Roy and adding Parise would make more of a difference than many people may think. Roy getting off this team (without even adding Parise) would make a world of difference. The Sabres can make due without adding a number one center for now and if you factor in Ennis and Hodgson on their 2nd year here at center (while adding Parise), I see VERY good things happening.

[shrader]

I think moving Derek Roy and adding Parise would make more of a difference than many people may think. Roy getting off this team (without even adding Parise) would make a world of difference. The Sabres can make due without adding a number one center for now and if you factor in Ennis and Hodgson on their 2nd year here at center (while adding Parise), I see VERY good things happening.

 

They might not necessarily need to add a #1, but if they move Roy, they better bring in at least 2 additional centers.

[RazielSabre]

This is totally uncalled for. He has a different opinion of the relative worth of a couple players than you. Debate it like an adult. Name calling is only going to drive this website down to the level of most other sports forums. Take the juvenile behavior somewhere else.

 

So the amount of flaming and trolling that actually goes on fine, in fact other, newer, posters saying the same and getting flamed by experienced posters (such as yourself) is completely ok but actually 'talking back' to absurd posts from more experienced members is heresy.

 

Please. Everyone is just as guilty of posts like mine, including you.

[LastPommerFan]

So the amount of flaming and trolling that actually goes on fine, in fact other, newer, posters saying the same and getting flamed by experienced posters (such as yourself) is completely ok but actually 'talking back' to absurd posts from more experienced members is heresy.

 

Please. Everyone is just as guilty of posts like mine, including you.

 

It's nice to be reminded when you cross the line though. I, for one, appreciate the occasional "You're better than that" post directed at me.

[shrader]

It's nice to be reminded when you cross the line though. I, for one, appreciate the occasional "You're better than that" post directed at me.

 

That was completely uncalled for. You need to grow up a bit.

[BuffaloBlood]

You're an idiot.

 

EDIT: Lets flesh out this argument. Either player is worth more than the 1st. Secondly Yakupov is not a Centre, our position of need if you had forgotten so therefore his really not top of a priority list and CERTAINLY not getting rid of our franchise defenseman and our starting goalie for. In fact I can't think of a player in the league who's worth that price.

 

I think the biggest mistake that the fans are making is that the only position up front we need to improve is center. Centers are reeeally hard to find. That isnt saying we dont need a top center but if thats not available you dont just stand pat. Parise is a bad idea... hes played more wing than center and will cost sooo much because teams like the Rangers and Leafs will drive his price up too far. We need to add offensive talent. We dont have a consistent goal scoring threat that every team needs to plan for. Vanek can be that guy but he hasent been consistent enough. Dont be afraid to go after a top line winger.

[millbank]

That was completely uncalled for. You need to grow up a bit.

 

oh sure sure and nano, nano you bunch of poopy pant's es :blush:

[darksabre]

That was completely uncalled for. You need to grow up a bit.

 

:lol:

 

oh sure sure and nano, nano you bunch of poopy pant's es :blush:

 

I really like having you back around these days millbank. :)

[Weave]

So the amount of flaming and trolling that actually goes on fine, in fact other, newer, posters saying the same and getting flamed by experienced posters (such as yourself) is completely ok but actually 'talking back' to absurd posts from more experienced members is heresy.

 

Please. Everyone is just as guilty of posts like mine, including you.

 

Actual name calling is rare on this board. It is one the reasons I choose to hang here. I'll call it out every time. And if I'm doing it, I expect I'll get called out for it too.

[RazielSabre]

They might not necessarily need to add a #1, but if they move Roy, they better bring in at least 2 additional centers.

I have to say with Ennis and Hodgson I'd want someone bigger and gritter in the 3rd line C role anyway, excluding the fact that I agree with the idea we are better off trading Roy.

 

I'm also happy with Ennis and Hodgson as the top 2 centers for now really. Not perfect, but I think good enough. Remember neither Briere or Drury were top line, clear cut no.1 centers when they started out here.

 

It's nice to be reminded when you cross the line though. I, for one, appreciate the occasional "You're better than that" post directed at me.

 

I wouldn't have minded a 'you're better than that'. Being told I'm a juvenile and to go elsewhere I take offense at, especially considering Weave's history of replying to posts of mine in such a way.

 

I think the biggest mistake that the fans are making is that the only position up front we need to improve is center. Centers are reeeally hard to find. That isnt saying we dont need a top center but if thats not available you dont just stand pat. Parise is a bad idea... hes played more wing than center and will cost sooo much because teams like the Rangers and Leafs will drive his price up too far. We need to add offensive talent. We dont have a consistent goal scoring threat that every team needs to plan for. Vanek can be that guy but he hasent been consistent enough. Dont be afraid to go after a top line winger.

 

I don't dispute that (in fact I agree), giving up two of our biggest trade pieces for an unproven no.1 pick was what earned my reply though.

 

No need to verbally spank the little fella.

 

You just can't be afraid of making the big move. If there is a star at the top of the draft that can come in and play right away then you make the move. The team as it is constructed right now is going nowhere and despite the hopes of many fans they are not one or two moves away from being a contender.

 

I'm not a draft guru, if the kids at the top of this years draft class are as good as some think, make the move. If it costs Miller and Myers, so be it. It's about making an impact, moving a Derek Roy or signing a Zach Parise will not have enough impact to change the Sabres fortunes.

If we had a terrible season or abysmal players I'd agree, but we don't. Most of the team was being changed from game to game and almost everyone had awful seasons. Based on that I'd give most of our current line up another shot, 82 games is a long time and if our fortunes don't turn around by December then I'd start agreeing. Massively shaking up the team every offseason will only lead to basement dwelling.

 

We will never agree, our outlooks are too different. Just to be clear that much I respect, this place would be boring if everyone agreed but even you must see Miller and Myers is a ridiculous price to pay for anyone in this league now that Mark Messier and Wayne Gretzky have retired.

[Weave]

II wouldn't have minded a 'you're better than that'. Being told I'm a juvenile and to go elsewhere I take offense at, especially considering Weave's history of replying to posts of mine in such a way.

 

I didn't say *you* were juvenile. I said that your name calling was juvenile. And I didn't tell you to go elsewhere, I asked that you take that sort of behavior elsewhere. The difference is subtle, but it is there.

 

Look, this place is a community. Nearly all of us want to see this community have discussion at a high levlel. Just like Eleven and D4rkSabre call out the negatives for dragging this place down, I'm inclined to call out the silly name calling for dragging this place down. I have a history of replying to your posts this way because you have a habit of name calling when folks (one or two in particular) don't agree with your assessment.

 

I've been on record here many times as saying there is room for all opinion, and all perspectives. And I stand by that. Your opinion and perspective included. But keep in mind, the majority of the active posters are well into adult age. I don't think most of them want to see the nature of the convo here degrade into petty name calling.

[RazielSabre]

Actual name calling is rare on this board. It is one the reasons I choose to hang here. I'll call it out every time. And if I'm doing it, I expect I'll get called out for it too.

 

I'm amazed, just purely amazed at this post. Please tell me your just trying to wind me up.

[apuszczalowski]

This is totally uncalled for. He has a different opinion of the relative worth of a couple players than you. Debate it like an adult. Name calling is only going to drive this website down to the level of most other sports forums. Take the juvenile behavior somewhere else.

Why are you not congratulating him on this post, if anything he deserves a good job, he may have been the first person to say that and actually use the correct grammar of you're! And Deluca is an idiot, and it has nothing to do with the post that was quoted, mostly his endless crusades against Ruff/Regier, StatusQuo, Miller and Myers being overrated, Kovalchuck is amazing, etc. You make it sound like this board is any different then almost any other sports board out there when its really not.

[millbank]

being at all real, folks at times do have heated opinion, wish though at times posters did utilize the pm feature more as not to embarrass each other. I am sincerely hoping the point of this is to gain information, share opinion, have some fun along the way, not tear each other down. :)

[RazielSabre]

I didn't say *you* were juvenile. I said that your name calling was juvenile. And I didn't tell you to go elsewhere, I asked that you take that sort of behavior elsewhere. The difference is subtle, but it is there.

 

Look, this place is a community. Nearly all of us want to see this community have discussion at a high levlel. Just like Eleven and D4rkSabre call out the negatives for dragging this place down, I'm inclined to call out the silly name calling for dragging this place down. I have a history of replying to your posts this way because you have a habit of name calling when folks (one or two in particular) don't agree with your assessment.

 

I've been on record here many times as saying there is room for all opinion, and all perspectives. And I stand by that. Your opinion and perspective included. But keep in mind, the majority of the active posters are well into adult age. I don't think most of them want to see the nature of the convo here degrade into petty name calling.

 

bolded: Oh please. The difference is subtle, but pointless. I have no time in my life for 'thats technically not what I said', that really is an arguement my 13 year old cousin comes out with.

 

I'll call you an idiot if I think you're being an idiot, but I justify my arguments. Treat others how your happy being treated, I'm an atheist but that is a damn good rule and I'm happy being called an idiot if someone thinks I am. Just back it up. I don't classify it as petty name calling, but then again I have been called blunt before so maybe I need to be more 'sensitive'. Deluca also drives me completely crazy for his endless repeated message about, well, I don't need to explain. I know I'm not on my own.

 

I also, if you note, have no problem with other opinions. Its statements that aren't thought through or haven't had any intelligence applied to them. Miller and Myers for a no.1 overall pick as a statement has had no intelligence applied to it, its devaluing our players and massively hyping up an unknown quantity. I can understand his logic if the statement about doing it as a 'shock and awe' move is true though, I can see the logic behind that opinion. Still extreme, but at least there is sound logic there.

 

See the difference?

[qwksndmonster]

Look, this place is a community. Nearly all of us want to see this community have discussion at a high levlel.

If you want the quality of our discussion to be at a high levlel, maybe you should work on your spelling ;)

 

I think that the Sabres are more likely to trade away picks for proven NHLers rather than moving up in the draft (target a rebuilding team with talent like the ducks or the sharks). I also think that Darcy would probably use all four picks in the first two rounds before he moved up.

[RazielSabre]

Why are you not congratulating him on this post, if anything he deserves a good job, he may have been the first person to say that and actually use the correct grammar of you're! And Deluca is an idiot, and it has nothing to do with the post that was quoted, mostly his endless crusades against Ruff/Regier, StatusQuo, Miller and Myers being overrated, Kovalchuck is amazing, etc. You make it sound like this board is any different then almost any other sports board out there when its really not.

 

Now I wish the +1 was there. Excellent post.

[LaFontaineToMogilny]

To me, the undisputed highlight of the season was the emergence of the Ennis line. Any time they stepped on the ice they pushed the play on the opponent and made immediate impact. If we were to add Yakupov I think we can build a very similar line, hopefully a degree better. Yakupov gives us another Ennis type player, only more of almost everything. He is fast and has insane puck skills, loves to bring the puck at opponents and make things happen, is an incredible skater and is a good deal bigger than Ennis.

 

Paired with Vanek and Hodgson, Yakupov would be an upgraded Ennis, Vanek and upgraded Stafford and Hodgson a more skilled but less physical Foligno. I don't think Hodgson would bring this line down, but adding a decent physical center to this line would be ideal.

 

Our third line then becomes Leino, Roy, Pominville. There's not many teams in the league that wouldn't struggle matching up to these three lines. And that is just with the addition of Yakupov. There's still plenty of room to move other players to find a better center match for Vanek and Yakupov.

 

So, assuming Yakupov costs Myers and more, is this a scenario worth going after? To me it depends on what the extra pieces would be. I would trade Myers and Enroth for the #1 pick this year without too much hesitation. If it gets more expensive it starts to sting a little too much.

[SwampD]

bolded: Oh please. The difference is subtle, but pointless.

 

-don't need to read further-

 

fixed

[RazielSabre]

fixed

:blink:

[Weave]

fixed

 

No ######. Another 30 seconds of my life gone that I'll never get back.

[Trettioåtta]

Recently, the first overall picks have been:

Thornton

Lecavalier

Stefan

Dipietro

Kovalchuk

Nash

Fleury

Ovechkin

Crosby

Johnson

Kane

Stamkos

Tavares

Hall

RNH

 

Now, presuming it is Myers and a first (as people have decided for some reason); i would not trade those assets for many of those players (probably Stamkos, Crosby, Ovechkin and maybe Kovalchuk). A defenceman with Myers potential and height is rare and this pick is an unknown - plus, it seems like he ahs not been as highly touted as some previous players.

 

Furthermore, some legit players have gone in the first round, so i think the combination of a potentially awesome player/Myers is better than the potentil of Yakupov.

[apuszczalowski]

i would rather trade whatever is being proposed to edmonton for RNH or Hall, or Eberle, and let them keep the #1 pick to draft Yak

[X. Benedict]

I think moving Derek Roy and adding Parise would make more of a difference than many people may think. Roy getting off this team (without even adding Parise) would make a world of difference. The Sabres can make due without adding a number one center for now and if you factor in Ennis and Hodgson on their 2nd year here at center (while adding Parise), I see VERY good things happening.

Somebody is going to back up a truck full of money onto Parise's porch.....but it is really a hard move for Buffalo when the cash is needed for a center.