BuffaloBlood Posted May 23, 2012 Report Posted May 23, 2012 TSN has an interesting article on the decision the Edmonton Oilers have when it comes to the top pick. Article here: http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/story/?id=393433 Yakupov has become the consensus number one and is the kind of talent you can build an offense around. I know hes not a center, and hes Russian but hes an elite talent. The Oilers have drafted all offense with the top picks in the last few years and are now looking for a top D man and more talent across the board. They may be willing to move down. The top D-men may be gone in the top 6-7 selections but the depth at D in this draft is much better than the O depth. My question is what would it take for the Sabres to move up to the top pick? I really dont see it as a pipe dream but as a realistic option if Edmonton likes any of our your D-men. How about the 12th pick, the 21st pick and Sekera? Does that get the deal done? What about the 12th pick, the 21st pick, the 42nd pick? What about the 12th pick, the 21st pick, and either Pysyk or Brennen? Would you move McNabb? Would they even want Weber? The big question is.... if we are willing to make a move for the top pick.... are their other teams with the defensive prospects and draft picks to make a deal that Edmonton would like?
shrader Posted May 23, 2012 Report Posted May 23, 2012 None of those packages work. It is going to take a pick in the top 5 to even start the conversation with Edmonton.
BuffaloBlood Posted May 23, 2012 Author Report Posted May 23, 2012 You think the conversation would start and end at Myers? I disagree. Unless another team really comes strong or unless Edmonton decides they are not willing to drop back as far as 12 I think we have the tools to make the best offer. None of those packages work. It is going to take a pick in the top 5 to even start the conversation with Edmonton. If your theory is correct than that leaves just the Blue Jackets, Candaians Islanders and Leafs as trade options. Unless Montreal can part with Subban (who is a RFA) or will trade the 3 and Nathan Beaulieu than they dont have what Edmonton is reportedly looking for. The Leafs would prolly have to give up the 5, as well as Schenn and thats not something Burke has been willing to do. Plus will Toronto really embrace a Russian star? Columbus may be able to make the move but their top D prospect is David Savard and he isnt nearly as highly touted as our guys right now (that may be an admitted homer belief). The Islanders are in the same boat as Edmonton, in that they have top young offensive talent but need defense.
darksabre Posted May 23, 2012 Report Posted May 23, 2012 Any deal that goes to Edmonton has to include a goalie and defense.
BuffaloBlood Posted May 23, 2012 Author Report Posted May 23, 2012 Any deal that goes to Edmonton has to include a goalie and defense. Alright then how about the 12 the 21 and Enroth? Im determined to mkae this happen lol.
LGR4GM Posted May 23, 2012 Report Posted May 23, 2012 Alright then how about the 12 the 21 and Enroth? Im determined to mkae this happen lol. why? Yakupov is good no doubt, but galchenyuk and grigorenko are good too and we might not have to trade both our firsts and McNabb and enroth to get there. I think this should be merged into the draft thread.
RazielSabre Posted May 23, 2012 Report Posted May 23, 2012 None of those packages work. It is going to take a pick in the top 5 to even start the conversation with Edmonton. Both our picks are where the good defensemen will probably land, I wouldn't count us out yet. I'd say both our 1st rounders, one of our current top 4 defensemen and a good prospect, Leduc, Pysyk (sp?), Brennan Or McNabb. I don't know enough about Yakupov to say whether it'd be worth it but if his not a center I'm less interested already, we're pretty deep at wing and most of our wingers aren't going anywhere.
darksabre Posted May 23, 2012 Report Posted May 23, 2012 Alright then how about the 12 the 21 and Enroth? Im determined to mkae this happen lol. I think that would be the most Darcy would offer. But I doubt it's all of what Edmonton would want. You'd probably have to throw in a defensive prospect as well. But then again we've seen Darcy get more for less before so maybe he could do it again.
Huckleberry Posted May 23, 2012 Report Posted May 23, 2012 That is way to much for Yakupov, one of our 1st rounders + one of our promising D-men
thesportsbuff Posted May 23, 2012 Report Posted May 23, 2012 Honestly I'm not that interested in Yakupov. He's probably going to be a great player, but it's not worth it (imo) to move up to #1 based on the assumed asking price. I would be okay with moving into the Top 5, but #1 would cost too much. I'm fine with drafting where we are at, though I'd rather parlay picks for a roster player -- maybe the rights to Parise or Suter.
Trettioåtta Posted May 23, 2012 Report Posted May 23, 2012 TBH, i think trading for the first is too much effort, simply because it has the stigma of being the first. I think the Islanders are our best bet and i would not want to do more than 12th/Sekera/44th pick to move up.
LaFontaineToMogilny Posted May 23, 2012 Report Posted May 23, 2012 That is way to much for Yakupov, one of our 1st rounders + one of our promising D-men If Regier makes this move happen he will instantly become the best GM in any sport ever. I am not holding my breath.
LaFontaineToMogilny Posted May 23, 2012 Report Posted May 23, 2012 So in the imaginary world where we manage to get the 1st overall pick from Edmonton, we end up looking pretty strong Vanek, Hodgson, Yakupov (a center upgrade here would be fantastic!) Foligno, Ennis, Stafford Leino, Roy, Pominville (when this is your third line you should feel pretty good about things) 4th line (Let's say Kaleta, McCormick, Ellis) This is a one, two punch that should give a lot of teams a lot of trouble. Perhaps it can be done for Enroth and Myers and a 1st or two? Of course, with a move like this we are going even further down the skill and speed route. With management stating they want to get tougher, it will not happen unless players like Roy and Pominville gets moved for muscle before the draft.
BuffaloBlood Posted May 23, 2012 Author Report Posted May 23, 2012 So in the imaginary world where we manage to get the 1st overall pick from Edmonton, we end up looking pretty strong Vanek, Hodgson, Yakupov (a center upgrade here would be fantastic!) Foligno, Ennis, Stafford Leino, Roy, Pominville (when this is your third line you should feel pretty good about things) 4th line (Let's say Kaleta, McCormick, Ellis) This is a one, two punch that should give a lot of teams a lot of trouble. Perhaps it can be done for Enroth and Myers and a 1st or two? Of course, with a move like this we are going even further down the skill and speed route. With management stating they want to get tougher, it will not happen unless players like Roy and Pominville gets moved for muscle before the draft. I dunno if adding Yakupov means that we are moving away from the idea of being bigger and tougher. Yakupov isnt tough but hes no squirt either. Also, going after a guy like Yakupov doesnt mean you cant still move Roy for grit. I would be ok with moving Roy for a ham sandwich to be quite honest. Foligno and McNabb for a full year makes us bigger and tougher alone. If we can get Luke Adam back on track and let him move into that 4th line center role than were definitively bigger and tougher.
deluca67 Posted May 23, 2012 Report Posted May 23, 2012 Any deal that goes to Edmonton has to include a goalie and defense. Miller and Myers. Make the trade.
TrueBlueGED Posted May 23, 2012 Report Posted May 23, 2012 Miller and Myers. Make the trade. You really are trying to get Ruff and Regier fired, aren't you?
drnkirishone Posted May 24, 2012 Report Posted May 24, 2012 Sekera 12th and next years 1st I think would be fair. Or if they really like the glut of D prospects Sekera 12th and the higher of the 2nd round picks. I wouldn't like losing both this years first round picks just to move up the board
SwampD Posted May 24, 2012 Report Posted May 24, 2012 You really are trying to get Ruff and Regier fired, aren't you? They're doing their best all on their own.
Weave Posted May 24, 2012 Report Posted May 24, 2012 You really are trying to get Ruff and Regier fired, aren't you? Why does it always have to be about Regier and Ruff for you? :P
TrueBlueGED Posted May 24, 2012 Report Posted May 24, 2012 Why does it always have to be about Regier and Ruff for you? :P Insert non-existent middle finger emoticon here :angel:
RazielSabre Posted May 24, 2012 Report Posted May 24, 2012 Miller and Myers. Make the trade. You're an idiot. EDIT: Lets flesh out this argument. Either player is worth more than the 1st. Secondly Yakupov is not a Centre, our position of need if you had forgotten so therefore his really not top of a priority list and CERTAINLY not getting rid of our franchise defenseman and our starting goalie for. In fact I can't think of a player in the league who's worth that price.
Weave Posted May 24, 2012 Report Posted May 24, 2012 You're an idiot. EDIT: Lets flesh out this argument. Either player is worth more than the 1st. Secondly Yakupov is not a Centre, our position of need if you had forgotten so therefore his really not top of a priority list and CERTAINLY not getting rid of our franchise defenseman and our starting goalie for. In fact I can't think of a player in the league who's worth that price. This is totally uncalled for. He has a different opinion of the relative worth of a couple players than you. Debate it like an adult. Name calling is only going to drive this website down to the level of most other sports forums. Take the juvenile behavior somewhere else.
deluca67 Posted May 24, 2012 Report Posted May 24, 2012 This is totally uncalled for. He has a different opinion of the relative worth of a couple players than you. Debate it like an adult. Name calling is only going to drive this website down to the level of most other sports forums. Take the juvenile behavior somewhere else. No need to verbally spank the little fella. You just can't be afraid of making the big move. If there is a star at the top of the draft that can come in and play right away then you make the move. The team as it is constructed right now is going nowhere and despite the hopes of many fans they are not one or two moves away from being a contender. I'm not a draft guru, if the kids at the top of this years draft class are as good as some think, make the move. If it costs Miller and Myers, so be it. It's about making an impact, moving a Derek Roy or signing a Zach Parise will not have enough impact to change the Sabres fortunes.
2ForTripping Posted May 24, 2012 Report Posted May 24, 2012 Honestly I'm not that interested in Yakupov. He's probably going to be a great player, but it's not worth it (imo) to move up to #1 based on the assumed asking price. I would be okay with moving into the Top 5, but #1 would cost too much. I'm fine with drafting where we are at, though I'd rather parlay picks for a roster player -- maybe the rights to Parise or Suter. for the rights of those two cats ... no way not just for the rights.....picks for an established player indeed but not just for the rights to possibly maybe landing those guys. These guys are going to command large coin on the open market
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