millbank Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 Hate it. The difference in a half-second is what separates Neil's hit from Torres. The intent was exactly the same. Take advantage of a guy who just got rid of the puck and isn't braced for a hit and hit him high. But because someone's gonna say that Boyle was without the puck for a full half-second longer than Hossa was, the whole league is going to justify Neil targeting him for an ambush hit, and then they'll act all pious and start admonishing everyone about the value of "keeping your head up" and a myriad other bully statements. I love hitting in hockey. What I hate is the sheer lack of gamesmanship by the players and integrity of the front office. good comments here....
deluca67 Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 Bryz doesn't have me convinced. They gone far with less in net. Hate it. The difference in a half-second is what separates Neil's hit from Torres. The intent was exactly the same. Take advantage of a guy who just got rid of the puck and isn't braced for a hit and hit him high. But because someone's gonna say that Boyle was without the puck for a full half-second longer than Hossa was, the whole league is going to justify Neil targeting him for an ambush hit, and then they'll act all pious and start admonishing everyone about the value of "keeping your head up" and a myriad other bully statements. I love hitting in hockey. What I hate is the sheer lack of gamesmanship by the players and integrity of the front office. "Keeping your head up" is not a "bully statement." It's what you are taught since day one. You have ten guys flying around the ice, you should have better awareness. Hockey isn't hot potato where you responsibility is over once you get rid of the puck. You better be well aware that defenders are baring down on you or you will get hurt. It's been like that since day one. Soft goal may break the Pens back.
ubkev Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 That was the softest goal I've ever seen. Fleury didn't even touch it.
ubkev Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 And Bryz promptly answers back with some suckage of his own! Every goalie in the state of PA blows.
TheChimp Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 They gone far with less in net. "Keeping your head up" is not a "bully statement." It's what you are taught since day one. You have ten guys flying around the ice, you should have better awareness. Hockey isn't hot potato where you responsibility is over once you get rid of the puck. You better be well aware that defenders are baring down on you or you will get hurt. It's been like that since day one. And I'm arguing that the NHL is a league that glorifies bullies. Hit a guy without the puck, hit a guy who doesn't see you coming because he doesn;t have eyes in the back of his head, hit a guy high in the shoulders/head area and use the excuse that he is short or was looking down or that hey, your feet never left the ice...all bully statements. Plain and simple. Hockey is a sport that doesn't mind seeing half its numbers with TBIs by the end of the season, and careers shortened because of meaningless hits that did nothing to save a goal from being scored. It is a sport for bullies. If they weren't, they'd have made it a rule decades ago that a hit is either led with the hips or it's illegal.
millbank Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 They gone far with less in net. "Keeping your head up" is not a "bully statement." It's what you are taught since day one. You have ten guys flying around the ice, you should have better awareness. Hockey isn't hot potato where you responsibility is over once you get rid of the puck. You better be well aware that defenders are baring down on you or you will get hurt. It's been like that since day one. Soft goal may break the Pens back. yes keeping your head up is learned from day one, but so is guys learning respect for the game and each other, that you don't hit another guy when they are vulnerable or at least lay in wait until another player is. Somehow Scott Steven became a hero a number of years ago , his supposed great hits on Lindros. Mindset has be about guys playing the game with respect for each other this has to begin from day one and be continued on into ones hockey career, from squirt, pee-wee, bantam, midget, juvenile, junior, college to Professional. One thing for a guy to get hit , he skating up ice and in progression of play to get hit, another for a guy to lay in wait for such a instance. Guys who respect each other learn very early on not to do that. Has to be learned from five years old and continued on through entire hockey life this something only losers do.... it not tough manly or anything else.
TheChimp Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 Yeah so anyways, looks like it's the end of the road for Pittsburgh.
Trettioåtta Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 Wow...soft goals from Fleury...Makes Miller's dodge goals look amazing. I want Giroux...he is signed so cheaply as well - lucky flyers...
deluca67 Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 And I'm arguing that the NHL is a league that glorifies bullies. Hit a guy without the puck, hit a guy who doesn't see you coming because he doesn;t have eyes in the back of his head, hit a guy high in the shoulders/head area and use the excuse that he is short or was looking down or that hey, your feet never left the ice...all bully statements. Plain and simple. Hockey is a sport that doesn't mind seeing half its numbers with TBIs by the end of the season, and careers shortened because of meaningless hits that did nothing to save a goal from being scored. It is a sport for bullies. If they weren't, they'd have made it a rule decades ago that a hit is either led with the hips or it's illegal. i laugh every time you use the word "bully." We are talking about grown men making millions of dollars, not acne faced grade school 11 year olds with self-confidence issues. The word "bully" does not apply. The physicality of the sport of hockey is what separates the NHL from most other sports. If you want to watch 10 guys go back and forth untouched than watch the NBA where the players react like they were hit by a truck at the slightest hint of possible contact.
Eleven Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 I was really hoping to see Fleury pulled. My team still has to face him at least four times next year, and even the slightest hit to his confidence means something. But I guess it isn't going to happen.
deluca67 Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 yes keeping your head up is learned from day one, but so is guys learning respect for the game and each other, that you don't hit another guy when they are vulnerable or at least lay in wait until another player is. Somehow Scott Steven became a hero a number of years ago , his supposed great hits on Lindros. Mindset has be about guys playing the game with respect for each other this has to begin from day one and be continued on into ones hockey career, from squirt, pee-wee, bantam, midget, juvenile, junior, college to Professional. One thing for a guy to get hit , he skating up ice and in progression of play to get hit, another for a guy to lay in wait for such a instance. Guys who respect each other learn very early on not to do that. Has to be learned from five years old and continued on through entire hockey life this something only losers do.... it not tough manly or anything else. The gentlemanly aspect you speak of ends at the word professional. Once you hit the "professional" level than survival of the fittest takes over. It's what separates the men from the boys as they say. There is plenty of time to respect your opponent, from the drop of the puck to the final horn is not that time. I was really hoping to see Fleury pulled. My team still has to face him at least four times next year, and even the slightest hit to his confidence means something. But I guess it isn't going to happen. I wonder if the Pens would be willing to move Fleury after his performance this series?
Eleven Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 I wonder if the Pens would be willing to move Fleury after his performance this series? I don't know who they have in their system, but they don't have much backing him up in the NHL.
millbank Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 The gentlemanly aspect you speak of ends at the word professional. Once you hit the "professional" level than survival of the fittest takes over. It's what separates the men from the boys as they say. There is plenty of time to respect your opponent, from the drop of the puck to the final horn is not that time. i am hoping you would rethink that.... one wonders at times if this is the thinking of the current game. If so it very good reason to see to that ones children take up another activity. Certainly by composite of years of involvement in any activity one learns to appreciate the privilege of doing so, do it with ones very best effort and with respect for all involved and the activity itself. In my view respect for what we do , how we do it is the standard we need to set as being manly, not the disrespect we show...... not wanting to be argumentative or wise... nice to speak with you...
Marvelo Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 somewhere along the line, the Flyers got smart and the Sabres got stupid.
nobody Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 I know I probably would do the same but is it really necessary to score an empty netter when you are up by 3 and there are 8 seconds left?
Eleven Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 I know I probably would do the same but is it really necessary to score an empty netter when you are up by 3 and there are 8 seconds left? If you're a rookie who got cheap-shotted in game 3, yeah, I think it is. I can go back to hating Filly full time now, instead of wavering back and forth. I'm SO glad that the 2012 playoffs will not be about Sidney Crosby. Oh, and 2011 Playoff Sabres > 2012 Playoff Pens? Discuss. (Not serious. Without Miller, the Sabres would have been swept last year.)
wjag Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 Too bad Flyers Penguins didn't go seven. That was one fun series to watch..
darksabre Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 If the Caps win this series I'm gonna kill something. That Philly series was a joke. Two teams fighting to see who could be the easiest second round out ever. Imagine this: a second round of Washington, Florida, Ottawa, and Philly. :sick:
nobody Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 Once again showing the reason it is important to actually make it into the playoffs.
deluca67 Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 If the Caps win this series I'm gonna kill something. That Philly series was a joke. Two teams fighting to see who could be the easiest second round out ever. Imagine this: a second round of Washington, Florida, Ottawa, and Philly. :sick: Why so angry? Just appreciate teams doing the things needed to get the job done. The four teams you mentioned have put together some gritty performances.
G-Daddy Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 Once again showing the reason it is important to actually make it into the playoffs. ^ This!!! Hope Pegs & Co. are taking note of what it takes to win in the playoffs, not just get there.
darksabre Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 Why so angry? Just appreciate teams doing the things needed to get the job done. The four teams you mentioned have put together some gritty performances. Not angry, just grossed out. We could have taken any of those teams in the first round if we had made it in to the dance (healthy). I'll give Washington some credit because I like Holtby's performance, but I'm not inspired by the performance of any of these Eastern teams. Their presence in the playoffs makes me gag.
TrueBlueGED Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 Not angry, just grossed out. We could have taken any of those teams in the first round if we had made it in to the dance (healthy). I'll give Washington some credit because I like Holtby's performance, but I'm not inspired by the performance of any of these Eastern teams. Their presence in the playoffs makes me gag. The West isn't turning out any better in my opinion. We have potentially Nashville, St. Louis, LA and Quebec moving on....all defense-first systems with limited offensive firepower and almost zero points for offensive style. Not all of the advancing teams run pure trap systems...but most of them certainly lack a certain offensive flair which I find entertaining. Wow...soft goals from Fleury...Makes Miller's dodge goals look amazing. I want Giroux...he is signed so cheaply as well - lucky flyers... Watch Ennis next season. I believe in the Giroux-Ennis career parallel, and I'm going to feel like a genius when it comes to fruition.....or I'm going to go down in flames with the comparison :P The Sens are out hitting the Rangers 169-167, and are winning. The Sens are a team that is stepping up it's physical play. I've gained a great deal of respect for the Sens teams watching them this series. The Sens could have folded when Alfredsson was injured and didn't. Not to mention the job Anderson is doing. Watching Anderson and Holtby brings a smile to my face as I think back to all the Miller discussions. I was referring to last night's game. The Rangers out-hit the Sens 2:1....and lost. The hits stat in a vacuum is as useless as the +/- stat in a vacuum. Oh, and Lundqvist is out-playing Anderson by traditional statistics and if you watch the game he's making more big saves on great scoring chances than Anderson is (which I'm sure means his save percentage on scoring chances is higher...but I lack access to an advanced stat site like hockey prospectus which would confirm my suspicion), it's simply that the Rangers are more offensively inept than even I thought they were. Hate it. The difference in a half-second is what separates Neil's hit from Torres. The intent was exactly the same. Take advantage of a guy who just got rid of the puck and isn't braced for a hit and hit him high. But because someone's gonna say that Boyle was without the puck for a full half-second longer than Hossa was, the whole league is going to justify Neil targeting him for an ambush hit, and then they'll act all pious and start admonishing everyone about the value of "keeping your head up" and a myriad other bully statements. I love hitting in hockey. What I hate is the sheer lack of gamesmanship by the players and integrity of the front office. Agreed on all counts.
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