Eleven Posted April 21, 2012 Report Posted April 21, 2012 Can anyone imagine a St. Louis - Nashville series? It would be worse than Buffalo - NJ circa 1998. Ick. Hope it doesn't happen.
G-Daddy Posted April 21, 2012 Report Posted April 21, 2012 Thanks for the draft update re: gaustad/ Preds Carp!
carpandean Posted April 21, 2012 Report Posted April 21, 2012 Expanding on the Nashville 1st-round draft pick, the best-case scenarios for the first round are: Preds lose to Detroit LA closes out Vancouver SJ somehow comes back against St Louis Ottawa beats the Rangers Philly holds on to beat Pittsburgh In the West, it is looking like LA-StL and Nash-Pho, so we would want LA and Phoenix to win. The most important being, of course, the latter. In the East, we just want the Rangers and Pittsburgh to lose one of their first two rounds. Philly has two more shots, so hopefully they don't become the first team to come back from and then blow a 3-0 leaf. The Ranger-Sens series is up for grabs. If all of those work out, then the four teams making the Conference Finals round fall from before the Preds to after them, leaving the Sabres with the 22nd overall pick. If the Preds make it out of the second round, the best the Sabres get it the 27th overall pick.
Iron Crotch Posted April 21, 2012 Report Posted April 21, 2012 Would have killed to be at a game like that. What was the most memorable moment from the Arena tonight? Edit: I just read on NHL.com that they are announcing the Raffi Torres suspension tomorrow. Shamahan (Swamp's) is most likely delaying it to attempt to make an impact by suspending a fourth line scumbag for six games. The best part of the game was the standing ovations through every timeout from about the 10 minute mark of the third period onward. Standing and cheering through a TV timeout is a Nashville tradition, but this is the first time I've seen it through all of the TV timeouts. That building was LOUD (not sure if you could tell on television).
nobody Posted April 21, 2012 Report Posted April 21, 2012 25 games for Torres http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=60&id=173753
Corp000085 Posted April 21, 2012 Report Posted April 21, 2012 25 games for Torres http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=60&id=173753 That's how long it should be. Too bad they all aren't this long.
Bmwolf21 Posted April 21, 2012 Report Posted April 21, 2012 25 games for Torres http://video.nhl.com...id=60&id=173753 I was wondering if we'd see something in the neighborhood Dale Hunter's suspension for slamming Sneaky Pete into the boards after he scored in playoffs. Hopefully this sends a message to the league, but if they don't use this as a springboard to more stringent, consistent suspensions, Torres' suspension will look like nothing more than a PR stunt to appease the media.
Iron Crotch Posted April 21, 2012 Report Posted April 21, 2012 That's how long it should be. Too bad they all aren't this long. My only issues is the inconsistency of the sentences. Raffi got 25 but others are getting 1 to 4 games for some pretty bad transgressions. I'm sure the fact that he is a repeat offender played a big role, but is his hit 10x worse that what, say, Asham did? Also, if Crosby were to make the same hit would he get 25? No way.
Taro T Posted April 21, 2012 Report Posted April 21, 2012 I was wondering if we'd see something in the neighborhood Dale Hunter's suspension for slamming Sneaky Pete into the boards after he scored in playoffs. Hopefully this sends a message to the league, but if they don't use this as a springboard to more stringent, consistent suspensions, Torres' suspension will look like nothing more than a PR stunt to appease the media. All it does is prove that Shanny's random wheel of suspensions has a larger range of numbers on it than Collie's had. I'm not sure how this sends a message to the league other than, do something dirty and have no idea what will happen to you. Guys were confused before about what is and isn't suspendable and what the punishment would be for doing something suspendable. I don't see this reducing the confusion. It will likely cut down on the cheap hits.
Bmwolf21 Posted April 21, 2012 Report Posted April 21, 2012 All it does is prove that Shanny's random wheel of suspensions has a larger range of numbers on it than Collie's had. I'm not sure how this sends a message to the league other than, do something dirty and have no idea what will happen to you. Guys were confused before about what is and isn't suspendable and what the punishment would be for doing something suspendable. I don't see this reducing the confusion. It will likely cut down on the cheap hits. That's my point - this suspension alone won't be enough, but it can be the catalyst for change. It's a good start (albeit too late, IMO) but now they have to reinforce it by following up with other big suspensions - and on stars who skirt the line. ESPN: Do longer suspensions send stronger messages? "Yeah. I think messages are sent through suspensions for sure. I guess it's how it's perceived," Cooke said. It's clear that Shanahan viewed Torres just like his predecessor, Colin Campbell, viewed Cooke a year ago: a player whose repeated on-ice behavior was only going to change with a stiff suspension and loud message. Shanahan, under fire in these playoffs for some of his decisions, delivered easily the longest suspension of his reign Saturday by dropping 25 games on Torres, who had three previous suspensions and two fines but, importantly in the league's view, was constantly getting into trouble for the same type of predatory hit that knocked out Marian Hossa in Game 3 last week. "Senseless hit from a repeat offender," one NHL GM told ESPN.com Saturday before the decision was handed down. "Late, left his feet and the principal point of contact was the head," said an NHL team executive. "This is the exact type of hit the league wants to eradicate. All the worse because a bottom-end forward delivered it to an elite player. The league will make an example out of Torres." http://espn.go.com/n...right-direction
Guest Posted April 21, 2012 Report Posted April 21, 2012 My only issues is the inconsistency of the sentences. Raffi got 25 but others are getting 1 to 4 games for some pretty bad ttransgressions. I'm sure the fact that he is a repeat offender played a big role, but is his hit 10x worse that what, say, Asham did? Also, if Crosby were to make the same hit would he get 25? No way. Agree 100% with you. The inconsistency is absolutely pathetic. Carkner gets 1 game for punching an unwilling and defenseless player in the face/head 7 times??? That's assault to you and me and a trip to the slammer for a night. Shanahan is a complete joke and embarrassment to the NHL. He is insulting hockey fans everywhere with his pitiful nonsense and trying to explain why these suspensions are warranted.
Trettioåtta Posted April 21, 2012 Report Posted April 21, 2012 I dunno i think this one is a different case from others - it breaks three rules and he has a proper repeat offender. If anything, this is to show Torres if he doesn't change he won't be in the league. That said i do think Weber should have been suspeneded one game from Using Zetterbeg's head the same way a monkey uses a rock and Keith should have got more. I think the major factor is that Torres was a repeat offender. If Crosby did it, i would say one game, if a normal NHLer did it, i would say 3 games
X. Benedict Posted April 21, 2012 Report Posted April 21, 2012 I dunno i think this one is a different case from others - it breaks three rules and he has a proper repeat offender. If anything, this is to show Torres if he doesn't change he won't be in the league. That said i do think Weber should have been suspeneded one game from Using Zetterbeg's head the same way a monkey uses a rock and Keith should have got more. I think the major factor is that Torres was a repeat offender. If Crosby did it, i would say one game, if a normal NHLer did it, i would say 3 games What doesn't get talked about is that Hossa is quietly a Hall of Famer. And probably still one of the best two way players in the league.
SwampD Posted April 21, 2012 Report Posted April 21, 2012 Poor Raffi. If he was on a better team that had a chance to go deeper he wouldn't have been made the scapegoat for this years playoffs. 25 games is a ridiculous suspention for that hit.
deluca67 Posted April 21, 2012 Report Posted April 21, 2012 I wonder how many games Campbell would have gotten under this new standard? It was a much more vicious hit.
SwampD Posted April 21, 2012 Report Posted April 21, 2012 Nice to see Enroth as a guest analyst on some random international hockey feed.
OverPowerYou Posted April 21, 2012 Report Posted April 21, 2012 This NJD-FLA game feels like a college hockey game with crappy quality
TrueBlueGED Posted April 21, 2012 Report Posted April 21, 2012 Poor Raffi. If he was on a better team that had a chance to go deeper he wouldn't have been made the scapegoat for this years playoffs. 25 games is a ridiculous suspention for that hit. Torres wasn't suspended 25 games for that hit...he was suspended 25 games for that hit and about 5 others. He's a guy that just doesn't get it, he's been suspended again and again and again for the same kinds of hits, and doesn't change. It was a message to change how he goes about his business, or he won't have much of a career left. I wonder how many games Campbell would have gotten under this new standard? It was a much more vicious hit. Significantly less, as Campbell didn't have Torres' long history with illegal hits and supplementary discipline. If anybody thinks 25 games is the new standard for head hits, they are grossly misinterpreting the reason for the lengthy suspension. It's not a new standard, it's not aimed at telling the rest of the league to clean up their act, it was a message aimed directly at Torres, and only Torres (I suppose and any other offenders with an equally long rap sheet...but certainly not at first or second timers).
TheChimp Posted April 21, 2012 Report Posted April 21, 2012 I would think Kaleta has thrown a few borderline and very dirty or cheap hits. I know he has. I've also heard Sabres staff members complain about dirty hits thrown their way so ya the sabres would be included in that. Yeah but not in a long time. Those head butts, funny as they are (funny in a crazy way of course) don't constitute the crap that we are seeing from these other teams. Kaleta? Come on. Dude's been hitting hard but clean for years now. What doesn't get talked about is that Hossa is quietly a Hall of Famer. And probably still one of the best two way players in the league. Agreed. Dude helps teams get to the Cup Finals, period.
Marvelo Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 Dale Hunter was only suspended 21 games when he hit Turgeon after a goal. You don't get any worse hits than Hunter's.
TrueBlueGED Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 Watching the Rangers struggle mightily against the Sens is just making me more and more bitter that the Sabres didn't make it. Ditto for the Caps and Bruins series.
darksabre Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 Watching the Rangers struggle mightily against the Sens is just making me more and more bitter that the Sabres didn't make it. Ditto for the Caps and Bruins series. I'm just having a hard time believing the Sens are actually decent. It doesn't compute.
SwampD Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 Torres wasn't suspended 25 games for that hit...he was suspended 25 games for that hit and about 5 others. He's a guy that just doesn't get it, he's been suspended again and again and again for the same kinds of hits, and doesn't change. It was a message to change how he goes about his business, or he won't have much of a career left. Significantly less, as Campbell didn't have Torres' long history with illegal hits and supplementary discipline. If anybody thinks 25 games is the new standard for head hits, they are grossly misinterpreting the reason for the lengthy suspension. It's not a new standard, it's not aimed at telling the rest of the league to clean up their act, it was a message aimed directly at Torres, and only Torres (I suppose and any other offenders with an equally long rap sheet...but certainly not at first or second timers). BullCh!t That hit absolutely did not deserve the third longest (tied for 2nd) suspension in the history of the NHL. Period.
TrueBlueGED Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 I'm just having a hard time believing the Sens are actually decent. It doesn't compute. You're right, it makes no sense. I suppose we could just disparage the Rangers instead of giving Ottawa any credit. BullCh!t That hit absolutely did not deserve the third longest (tied for 2nd) suspension in the history of the NHL. Period. Torres was disciplined twice this season alone for hits like this one. Not to mention his history before this season. I really don't care about the length relative to NHL history...a severe message had to be sent to Torres to get him to alter his behavior, as clearly the standard suspensions simply weren't getting the job done.
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