dEnnis the Menace Posted April 18, 2012 Report Posted April 18, 2012 I don't know whether to be scared, or laugh...that's really creepy looking.
shrader Posted April 18, 2012 Report Posted April 18, 2012 You can't eliminate accidents like this... You can eliminate how Torres handled it... NHL is dreaming... It is a natural reaction to make the best out of a collision... Should Torres be the "stand up" guy and just collide? Why was Hossa going against the grain? So what you're saying is that Torres accidentally jumped into Hossa's head? That is just flat out ridiculous. He wanted to cripple Hossa, remove him from the game, and he did just that. As for why Hossa turned, the puck was poke checked off his stick and he turned back towards it. He cut to the inside, lost the puck, then followed it.
RazielSabre Posted April 18, 2012 Report Posted April 18, 2012 You can't eliminate accidents like this... You can eliminate how Torres handled it... NHL is dreaming... It is a natural reaction to make the best out of a collision... Should Torres be the "stand up" guy and just collide? Why was Hossa going against the grain? You can make sure players don't go out of their way to injure other players. Shanahan isn't getting the job done. It's not purely up to him though, I can't help but think we'll see the return of fighters, or at least a role player who's job it is to protect other players (even if he has to be able to do something else reasonably well as well). Look at Boston, you mess with them you get Chara and Lucic (two complete psycho's), among others.
dEnnis the Menace Posted April 18, 2012 Report Posted April 18, 2012 So what you're saying is that Torres accidentally jumped into Hossa's head? That is just flat out ridiculous. He wanted to cripple Hossa, remove him from the game, and he did just that. As for why Hossa turned, the puck was poke checked off his stick and he turned back towards it. He cut to the inside, lost the puck, then followed it. I watched the clip twice, and forgot/didn't care at all why he turned, I was just focused on the hit/wrecking ball, so thanks for clarifying. it further supports my argument that the burden of responsibility lies on Torres.
apuszczalowski Posted April 18, 2012 Report Posted April 18, 2012 Again, Isn't this just "good Ole' fashion playoff Hockey"? Fans of Hossa, Alfie, and others just getting their panties in a bunch cause the hits interfere with their viewing of figure skating? :rolleyes: This is hockey, where real men come out and play. I'm all for getting rid of that stupid black rubber thing they chase around, it just gets in teh way of the hits and fights. :rolleyes:
Wraith Posted April 18, 2012 Report Posted April 18, 2012 You can make sure players don't go out of their way to injure other players. Shanahan isn't getting the job done. It's not purely up to him though, I can't help but think we'll see the return of fighters, or at least a role player who's job it is to protect other players (even if he has to be able to do something else reasonably well as well). Look at Boston, you mess with them you get Chara and Lucic (two complete psycho's), among others. Brandon Bollig was on the ice when this hit happened. He's a young guy with a very impressive fight card. His presence didn't seemed to deter Torres at all and in fact ended up benefitting the Coyotes as he took the only penalty during the whole mess. The presence of guys like Chara and Lucic probably deters most of the hits from players with brains (Paul Gaustad for starters) but aren't most of these hits coming from players with dubious character? Torres is a maniac, I doubt much thinking is going on with him. Brandon Bollig isn't wasting any time. After 12 NHL games Bollig has racked up 7 fighting majors. Outside of one bout to Mike Rupp, he's taken all of them (according to hockeyfight.com's all-knowing reviewers). Tonight's fight against Jordin Tootoo will help cement his reputation as a heavyweight. Tootoo was a healthy scratch for the Predators for the first time all season last night, and wanted to make his mark in this game. He lined up against Bollig, prematurely dropped his stick on one attempted faceoff, and then they both dropped the gloves and squared off on the next try. Bollig landed a big left uppercut that dropped Tootoo to the ice. Tootoo bounced back up, but skated off immediately, reportedly bleeding from his ear. He did not return to the game. Tootoo has 29 points in 72 games this season From: HockeyFights
ExiledInIllinois Posted April 18, 2012 Report Posted April 18, 2012 So what you're saying is that Torres accidentally jumped into Hossa's head? That is just flat out ridiculous. He wanted to cripple Hossa, remove him from the game, and he did just that. As for why Hossa turned, the puck was poke checked off his stick and he turned back towards it. He cut to the inside, lost the puck, then followed it. No... He purposely did it... But it is natural. We are gonna collide... It is gonna be me or you... And if your head is down and you slam into the "door" I am gonna make the best of my outcome and annilate you. That is what happened... The collision was forgone... No way to avoid that, to ask Raffi to be "stand up" and hit another is inviting injury on him. This is a ZERO SUM game folks... Winner take all! Either me or him... Why should I invite jury... Getting airborne and being the argressor lessons your burden of injury. Wrong, but purely survivalist... And guys like Raffi are "suvivalists." They gotta be or they would be out of the league a long time ago with injury (the way they play). Predators... And not the Music City kind.
spndnchz Posted April 18, 2012 Report Posted April 18, 2012 No... He purposely did it... But it is natural. We are gonna collide... It is gonna be me or you... And if your head is down and you slam into the "door" I am gonna make the best of my outcome and annilate you. That is what happened... The collision was forgone... No way to avoid that, to ask Raffi to be "stand up" and hit another is inviting injury on him. This is a ZERO SUM game folks... Winner take all! Either me or him... Why should I invite jury... Getting airborne and being the argressor lessons your burden of injury. Wrong, but purely survivalist... And guys like Raffi are "suvivalists." They gotta be or they would be out of the league a long time ago with injury (the way they play). Predators... And not the Music City kind. The only things "survivalist" about Torres is the league hasn't hammered him hard enough for his past indiscretions for him to learn his lesson. Torres doesn't hit all the time. In fact he hits at 35% of the league leader. He's 112th or something when it comes to number of hits. When he does hit he leaves his feet a lot and has been warned and suspended before. Fact is he's gonna be the scapegoat of the week for the NHL. 8 suspensions in 7 days. He's the perfect poster boy for "we police our players".
Bmwolf21 Posted April 18, 2012 Report Posted April 18, 2012 No... He purposely did it... But it is natural. We are gonna collide... It is gonna be me or you... And if your head is down and you slam into the "door" I am gonna make the best of my outcome and annilate you. That is what happened... The collision was forgone... No way to avoid that, to ask Raffi to be "stand up" and hit another is inviting injury on him. This is a ZERO SUM game folks... Winner take all! Either me or him... Why should I invite jury... Getting airborne and being the argressor lessons your burden of injury. Wrong, but purely survivalist... And guys like Raffi are "suvivalists." They gotta be or they would be out of the league a long time ago with injury (the way they play). Predators... And not the Music City kind. This reply is wrong on so many levels I don't know where to start.
TrueBlueGED Posted April 18, 2012 Report Posted April 18, 2012 And this right here is the worst part about that hit at the end of the day. Even if the league throws the book at Torres, who wouldn't take that trade off? I think this is why the NHL has to go the way of the NFL and start holding organizations accountable for the players they employ. I don't think it actually happened last year, but Roger Goodell pretty much said he holds the authority to punish teams, coaches, and GMs if they continue to employ players that continually endanger the safety of others. Otherwise, what's to stop a bounty system from emerging in the NHL? As you said, even if Torres gets 10 games...the Coyotes still win by a landslide. I'm with Taro, the league needs severe penalties to alter behavior. Suspend a guy 30 games and watch some immediate change on the ice. Fine an organization a couple million dollars for employing players who get a 3rd suspension. But sadly, I'm with a lot of commentators from last night...until a player dies on the ice from head trauma, the league won't take it seriously. Alternatively, the retired players could sue the league like is what happened with the NFL, that may work too. That hit was not late. On another note, Does anyone else think that Shanahan made a HUGE mistake by actually saying out loud that "if Alfie plays the suspension would be reduced"? Doesn't that open a big, ugly can of worms? I think teams and players will act hurt to get guys suspended (like the Horton hit last playoffs, how can you fly to Vancouver the day after you supposedly got a 4 game worthy concussion). I really think he we are going to regret him saying that. Bob McKenzie was very detailed last night in what the NHL considers a "late" hit. The general rule (it's not written on the books, but this is how it works) is if the hit takes place more than .5 seconds after the player plays the puck, it is a late hit. The Torres hit was .83 seconds after. It was late.
spndnchz Posted April 18, 2012 Report Posted April 18, 2012 This reply is wrong on so many levels I don't know where to start. One thing is for sure. Torres needs to remain within the rules. He should have head locked him and slammed his face into the boards.
Weave Posted April 18, 2012 Report Posted April 18, 2012 Has anyone seen an update with Hossa's condition?
Eleven Posted April 18, 2012 Report Posted April 18, 2012 Has anyone seen an update with Hossa's condition? No. And I just dropped in to see what condition his condition was in.
shrader Posted April 18, 2012 Report Posted April 18, 2012 This reply is wrong on so many levels I don't know where to start. Exactly. Based on the initial post, it's clear that the whole thing is painted with an anti-Blackhawk bias.
TrueBlueGED Posted April 18, 2012 Report Posted April 18, 2012 Has anyone seen an update with Hossa's condition? Last update I heard was he got released from the hospital and is being closely monitored at his home.
SwampD Posted April 18, 2012 Report Posted April 18, 2012 Bob McKenzie was very detailed last night in what the NHL considers a "late" hit. The general rule (it's not written on the books, but this is how it works) is if the hit takes place more than .5 seconds after the player plays the puck, it is a late hit. The Torres hit was .83 seconds after. It was late. I honestly don't care what the metrics are, when you watch that play in real time (not uber-slomo), it's not late.
apuszczalowski Posted April 18, 2012 Report Posted April 18, 2012 They don't even need to severly punish the players to fix this. JUST BE CONSISTENT AND NOT MAKE IT LOOK LIKE YOUR FAVORING CERTAIN PLAYERS/TEAMS. What was the big difference between the Hit Smith took behind the net and what Miller took from Lucic besides the location where it happened? You could easily say the Chicago player was getting out of the way to avoid the hit as Lucic did. Then theres the BS about suspensions being longer if the player is hurt, or players being let off cause they don't have a rap sheet or might be viewed as too valuable a player for a team to lose, or being penalised more cause they are viewed as "repeat offenders" Shanahan has been an embarrassment and complete failure in this position. The only change between him and Campbell are the videos.....
spndnchz Posted April 18, 2012 Report Posted April 18, 2012 I honestly don't care what the metrics are, when you watch that play in real time (not uber-slomo), it's not late. I wouldn't say it's that late. Again, problem with Torres is he almost always leaves his feet to make the hit. He's been suspended before for similar play. Again, scapegoat. They don't even need to severly punish the players to fix this. JUST BE CONSISTENT AND NOT MAKE IT LOOK LIKE YOUR FAVORING CERTAIN PLAYERS/TEAMS. What was the big difference between the Hit Smith took behind the net and what Miller took from Lucic besides the location where it happened? You could easily say the Chicago player was getting out of the way to avoid the hit as Lucic did. Then theres the BS about suspensions being longer if the player is hurt, or players being let off cause they don't have a rap sheet or might be viewed as too valuable a player for a team to lose, or being penalised more cause they are viewed as "repeat offenders" Shanahan has been an embarrassment and complete failure in this position. The only change between him and Campbell are the videos..... Did you watch the suspension video for the Smith hit. The whole way through you could insert Lucic for Shaw and Smith for Miller. http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=628346
shrader Posted April 18, 2012 Report Posted April 18, 2012 Did you watch the suspension video for the Smith hit. The whole way through you could insert Lucic for Shaw and Smith for Miller. http://www.nhl.com/i...s.htm?id=628346 I do think Shaw made more of an effort to avoid a hit to the head than Lucic did. He had every intention of throwing the hit, but his proximity to boards made him go higher than he intended. Lucic went for the head AND followed through.
Bmwolf21 Posted April 18, 2012 Report Posted April 18, 2012 Did you watch the suspension video for the Smith hit. The whole way through you could insert Lucic for Shaw and Smith for Miller. http://www.nhl.com/i...s.htm?id=628346 I hadn't seen the hit or the suspension video until you just posted it. Now I am infuriated about the lack of a Lucic suspension all over again. And Mike Smith should get an Oscar for his acting to embellish the hit. That's embarrassing.
Eleven Posted April 18, 2012 Report Posted April 18, 2012 Torres will end up being the fall guy for everyone. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/a-lack-of-courage-from-all-corners-of-the-nhl-leaves-playoffs-in-tatters/article2406206/page1/ This is going to stir it up. Torres will get a heavy suspension to appease the critics, but it will mean nothing until the league starts doling out heavy suspensions for ALL of this stuff.
spndnchz Posted April 18, 2012 Report Posted April 18, 2012 In-person Friday hearing for Torres. That would mean he's "suspended indefinitely" seeing they play Thursday. Torres and the NHLPA requested the delay in the hearing. I assume to get everyone's tempers down before the trial begins. And IMO, to see if Hossa plays.
X. Benedict Posted April 18, 2012 Report Posted April 18, 2012 That hit was not late. It was late. If Torres has the hit lined up while it is on Hossa's stick that is one thing, but Torres turned into Hossa long after Hossa was rid of it. It's a fine line. But that is past the fine borderline as far as I'm concerned, especially for an East-West hit.
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