NHL 2012 Playoffs Thread

[rbochan]

@ESPNChiHawks

Toews on Torres punishment: "I don’t know what to expect anymore, I don’t think anyone does, so we’ll see, it will probably be a surprise ."

[Eleven]

@ESPNChiHawks

Toews on Torres punishment: "I don’t know what to expect anymore, I don’t think anyone does, so we’ll see, it will probably be a surprise ."

 

Very telling about players' attitudes. And about my eyesight.

[spndnchz]

Yes. I think it's a huge problem.

 

I'm beginning to wonder if the league is going to want Shanahan in this role next year.

 

And hopefully the NHLPA comes to its senses and realizes that it needs to take a more active role in policing its members.

 

Shanahan is stuck in the middle, imo. He's just a rule enforcer not a rule maker. Make tougher and more distinct rules and his job/suspensions wouldn't be so gray.

 

Very telling about players' attitudes. And about my eyesight.

 

ctrl + is ur friend.

[Eleven]

Shanahan is stuck in the middle, imo. He's just a rule enforcer not a rule maker. Make tougher and more distinct rules and his job/suspensions wouldn't be so gray. ctrl + is ur friend.

 

You mean it's not ctrl-alt-right arrow?

[Bmwolf21]

Torres has always played right on the edge. Left his feet to make the hit. I'm sure Shamahan will look into this one.

That looked like a dirty, dirty hit from the first look to me - it was late, it was high to the head, and he jumped into it.

That hit sucked.

 

Players could injure other players' brains every game like that if they wanted to. But they don't.

Torres' response to the hit:

"First off, I hope he's alright. As far as the hit goes, I just felt like it was a hockey play, just trying to finish my hit out there," said Torres. "The last thing I'll say is a I hope he's alright."

[Weave]

Anyone thinking that Neal getting 1 game isn't enough?

[RazielSabre]

Shanahan is stuck in the middle, imo. He's just a rule enforcer not a rule maker. Make tougher and more distinct rules and his job/suspensions wouldn't be so gray.

 

 

 

ctrl + is ur friend.

 

Shanahan is doing a crap job of enforcing though, the rules are there but the punishments are all over the place. The Bruins will probably get of scot-free again...

 

Torres' response to the hit:

 

"First off, I hope he's alright. As far as the hit goes, I just felt like it was a hockey play, just trying to finish my hit out there," said Torres. "The last thing I'll say is a I hope he's alright."

Trying to minimise the punishment, just hot air.

[bunomatic]

Torres' response to the hit:

 

"First off, I hope he's alright. As far as the hit goes, I just felt like it was a hockey play, just trying to finish my hit out there," said Torres. "The last thing I'll say is a I hope he's alright."

 

Those kind words should placate Shannahans ruffled feathers. No suspension for Torres. $2500 dollars into the N.H.L.P.A. coffee fund.

[darksabre]

 

 

Torres' response to the hit:

"First off, I hope he's alright. As far as the hit goes, I just felt like it was a hockey play, just trying to finish my hit out there," said Torres. "The last thing I'll say is a I hope he's alright."

 

I always love the after the fact "I hope he's okay" comment. BULL. If you weren't trying to hurt him in the first place you wouldn't have to hope he's okay. It wasn't a freak accident. It was a foreseeable outcome of being a jackass.

 

 

[Eleven]

Anyone thinking that Neal getting 1 game isn't enough?

 

Definitely. He was running around out there like a homicidal maniac. He was looking to hurt, not to play hockey. Shanny's explanation on the Couturier hit--that Neal was bracing himself to receive a hit by jumping into the air--defies both logic and physics.

[Taro T]

Shanahan is stuck in the middle, imo. He's just a rule enforcer not a rule maker. Make tougher and more distinct rules and his job/suspensions wouldn't be so gray.

 

 

 

ctrl + is ur friend.

I haven't put much thought into it, but I wonder if a system where the existing rules for supplementary discipline (whatever the heck they are) are kept in place w/ 1 tweak might take a lot of the guesswork out of it. The tweak I would make to the system is an acknowlegement that concussions are different and get treated differently.

 

If a player gets a concussion from a play that was called a penalty on the ice (like Lucic on Miller) or warrants supplemental discipline (like Torres on Hossa almost certainly will) then the player gets an automatic 3 game suspension for the concussion on top of (or in spite of) any other fines or games / time missed.

 

To keep players & teams from gaming the system and claiming they've been concussed but aren't, if you get diagnosed with a concussion - invoking the automatic suspension for the aggressor, a league doctor has to clear you to play and at that point you must remain symptom free for 6 more days, i.e., a player diagnosed with a concussion is officially out for at least 1 week. So you will lose your player for at least 1 week if you claim he is concussed. To keep players and teams from gaming it the other way, if it is proven that a player / team circumvented the rules (either faking a concussion or denying a real one existed) the player gets a 5 game suspension and an additional $50k fine over lost pay, the coach gets a $250k fine, and the team gets a $1MM fine and loss of a draft pick.

 

Keep the existing system in place, but whether a player is injured or not doesn't factor in to getting a hearing or not. With the exception of the automatic 3 game suspension for intentionally giving a guy a concussion. Where 'intentional' is defined as doing something against the rules that results in a concussion.

 

Haven't had time to think of all the potential unintended consequences, probably the most likely is that guys won't hit as much due to the potential to have a big check get called interference or charging. Would the refs try not to call charging / boarding to keep guys from getting suspended?

 

Just a passing thought.

[ExiledInIllinois]

Okay... Here is my take. Bad COLLISION, he left his feet... BUT what in the heck was Hossa doing turning himself 180 degrees south towards his own zone while the play was going towards the Yotes zone... Everybody on ice was going towards the Yotes zone... Does Hossa play D? Was he going going to shake Crawford's hand? I thought he was an O guy.

 

Hossa passed the puck and bogey'd out of the first hit on the boards and then walked into a door (Torres). True Torres took advantage of the that wimpy move by Hossa... Look at Hossa's skates... They turn 180 degress prior to the hit. Torres was a predator here... But could he help it?

 

Yes... If Hossa can't play, Torres shouldn't play... Watch... Hossa will play next game and Torres will be suspended.

 

I just had to post my thoughts... I can't take it anymore living in the Chicago area!

[shrader]

Those kind words should placate Shannahans ruffled feathers. No suspension for Torres. $2500 dollars into the N.H.L.P.A. coffee fund.

 

Actually, the only acceptable defense is "I didn't mean it" or "I didn't see him".

[dEnnis the Menace]

Actually, the only acceptable defense is "I didn't mean it" or "I didn't see him".

 

pulling out his inner 'Lucic'...I don't like it LOL

 

I haven't put much thought into it, but I wonder if a system where the existing rules for supplementary discipline (whatever the heck they are) are kept in place w/ 1 tweak might take a lot of the guesswork out of it. The tweak I would make to the system is an acknowlegement that concussions are different and get treated differently.

 

If a player gets a concussion from a play that was called a penalty on the ice (like Lucic on Miller) or warrants supplemental discipline (like Torres on Hossa almost certainly will) then the player gets an automatic 3 game suspension for the concussion on top of (or in spite of) any other fines or games / time missed.

 

To keep players & teams from gaming the system and claiming they've been concussed but aren't, if you get diagnosed with a concussion - invoking the automatic suspension for the aggressor, a league doctor has to clear you to play and at that point you must remain symptom free for 6 more days, i.e., a player diagnosed with a concussion is officially out for at least 1 week. So you will lose your player for at least 1 week if you claim he is concussed. To keep players and teams from gaming it the other way, if it is proven that a player / team circumvented the rules (either faking a concussion or denying a real one existed) the player gets a 5 game suspension and an additional $50k fine over lost pay, the coach gets a $250k fine, and the team gets a $1MM fine and loss of a draft pick.

 

Keep the existing system in place, but whether a player is injured or not doesn't factor in to getting a hearing or not. With the exception of the automatic 3 game suspension for intentionally giving a guy a concussion. Where 'intentional' is defined as doing something against the rules that results in a concussion.

 

Haven't had time to think of all the potential unintended consequences, probably the most likely is that guys won't hit as much due to the potential to have a big check get called interference or charging. Would the refs try not to call charging / boarding to keep guys from getting suspended?

 

Just a passing thought.

 

just at a glance and not thinking of any unintended consequences, I like it.

[spndnchz]

Torres' response to the hit:

 

"First off, I hope he's alright. As far as the hit goes, I just felt like it was a hockey play, just trying to finish my hit out there," said Torres. "The last thing I'll say is a I hope he's alright."

 

Are you concerned at all that you left your skates?

 

Torres: "I'm not gonna answer that. Anything else?"

[Bmwolf21]

Are you concerned at all that you left your skates?

 

Torres: "I'm not gonna answer that. Anything else?"

 

 

According to officials, a penalty was not called on Torres because the referees did not see the play.

 

"It was a brutal hit. You can have a multiple choice question it's 'All the above,'" Quenneville said. "I saw exactly what happened, it was right in front of me. How four guys missed it tonight it was hard. The refereeing tonight was a disgrace."

 

Jonathan Toews was equally baffled.

 

"We've got four guys out there. When there's a guy getting carried off on a stretcher, you think that there might be something wrong with what happened," Toews said. "It's why it was frustrating that [Torres] got to stay in the game, because it wouldn't surprise me if he tried to do something like that again. If nothing happens to him, I don't see why he won't try it."

 

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[spndnchz]

I haven't put much thought into it, but I wonder if a system where the existing rules for supplementary discipline (whatever the heck they are) are kept in place w/ 1 tweak might take a lot of the guesswork out of it. The tweak I would make to the system is an acknowlegement that concussions are different and get treated differently.

 

If a player gets a concussion from a play that was called a penalty on the ice (like Lucic on Miller) or warrants supplemental discipline (like Torres on Hossa almost certainly will) then the player gets an automatic 3 game suspension for the concussion on top of (or in spite of) any other fines or games / time missed.

 

To keep players & teams from gaming the system and claiming they've been concussed but aren't, if you get diagnosed with a concussion - invoking the automatic suspension for the aggressor, a league doctor has to clear you to play and at that point you must remain symptom free for 6 more days, i.e., a player diagnosed with a concussion is officially out for at least 1 week. So you will lose your player for at least 1 week if you claim he is concussed. To keep players and teams from gaming it the other way, if it is proven that a player / team circumvented the rules (either faking a concussion or denying a real one existed) the player gets a 5 game suspension and an additional $50k fine over lost pay, the coach gets a $250k fine, and the team gets a $1MM fine and loss of a draft pick.

 

Keep the existing system in place, but whether a player is injured or not doesn't factor in to getting a hearing or not. With the exception of the automatic 3 game suspension for intentionally giving a guy a concussion. Where 'intentional' is defined as doing something against the rules that results in a concussion.

 

Haven't had time to think of all the potential unintended consequences, probably the most likely is that guys won't hit as much due to the potential to have a big check get called interference or charging. Would the refs try not to call charging / boarding to keep guys from getting suspended?

 

Just a passing thought.

 

It's a good thought. Only problem is that sometimes players don't get concussion symptoms for a few days (see:Hecht). I would like to see 5 minutes, game misconduct and 2 game mandatory suspension for any intentional hit to the head regardless of injury.

[That Aud Smell]

That hit was not late.

 

if this were 1995, i'd agree. but the times, they have a' changed.

 

that hit is precisely the sort of thing that the league needs to eliminate.

[SwampD]

So much crying,.. fans,.. players,.. coaches,.. analysts,.. just STFU and play. Hockey used to be fun.

 

The funny thing is, the players are crying the least.

 

 

EDIT: (not necessarily aimed at you Aud, I just happened to post this while you responded to me.)

[shrader]

Are you concerned at all that you left your skates?

 

Torres: "I'm not gonna answer that. Anything else?"

 

Pleading the 5th? I bet that's a valid excuse with Shanny too.

[darksabre]

So much crying,.. fans,.. players,.. coaches,.. analysts,.. just STFU and play. Hockey used to be fun.

 

 

 

 

EDIT: (not necessarily aimed at you Aud, I just happened to post this while you responded to me.)

 

Correct. It used to be fun. Until guys started killing each other in the name of making a "hockey play".

 

Sorry, I want the good players in the league to stay in the league as long as they can still play the game. Fun for me would be at least ten more years of Sidney Crosby. Or Marc Savard. But alas, Marc isn't allowed to have anymore fun. And who knows how many more shots to the dome Crosby can take before he's not allowed to have fun anymore.

[ExiledInIllinois]

WTF!!! I haven't chimed in in a couple of years and I get Timmy C as my avatar! I LIKE IT!!!!!

[RazielSabre]

So much crying,.. fans,.. players,.. coaches,.. analysts,.. just STFU and play. Hockey used to be fun.

 

The funny thing is, the players are crying the least.

 

 

EDIT: (not necessarily aimed at you Aud, I just happened to post this while you responded to me.)

Ask Steve Moore how much fun this cheap shot hockey is.

[ExiledInIllinois]

You can't eliminate accidents like this... You can eliminate how Torres handled it... NHL is dreaming... It is a natural reaction to make the best out of a collision... Should Torres be the "stand up" guy and just collide?

Why was Hossa going against the grain?

[dEnnis the Menace]

Correct. It used to be fun. Until guys started killing each other in the name of making a "hockey play".

 

Sorry, I want the good players in the league to stay in the league as long as they can still play the game. Fun for me would be at least ten more years of Sidney Crosby. Or Marc Savard. But alas, Marc isn't allowed to have anymore fun. And who knows how many more shots to the dome Crosby can take before he's not allowed to have fun anymore.

 

I agree with you. I'm not whining so much as just asking to be able to watch good hockey. The head hunting is getting old, and it's not a hockey play. It's a shame seeing guys like Hossa getting taken off the ice on a stretcher. And continuing to say it's the player that is getting hit's responsibility to see the check, or not turn around is just ridiculous. Should players be more aware, yes, but in cases like this, the responsibility rests solely on the hitter.

 

You can't eliminate accidents like this... You can eliminate how Torres handled it... NHL is dreaming... It is a natural reaction to make the best out of a collision... Should Torres be the "stand up" guy and just collide?

Why was Hossa going against the grain?

 

possibly a set play, turning to go on a line change, dump and chase, who knows. Torres needs to know that he can hit Hossa, but doesn't need to kill him. He left his feet to target the head. the extent of the injury and severity of the hit could've been eliminated, and Torres chose not to. Burden lies with him to do so. Hits like that end careers and have no place in hockey IMO.