Who should the Sabres Draft in the first and second round?

[JJFIVEOH]

Grow? My 5 year old niece wouldn't make that move even of she had a full diaper that needed changing.

 

Although, that might be the going rate for Luongo.

[spndnchz]

 

 

Don't worry...I was trying to be positive and suspend reality.

 

Reality is, Luongo will be with the Leafs....and the Sabres will sign Ennis to a $3MM plus contract to be their top center with Roy and Hodgson.....and Miller will be Miller.

 

 

 

Thanks..that's how I look at it....

 

 

 

Oooooh......so you have a sister?.......... :devil:

 

Nope. But ur post has a poopie in it.

[SwampD]

Grow? My 5 year old niece wouldn't make that move even if she had a full diaper that needed changing.

...and she hasn't even been alive since the Sabres last won a playoff series.

 

 

I find it hilariously ironic that fans of Miller are calling Luongo a choke artist.

[Randall Flagg]

 

...and she hasn't even been alive since the Sabres last won a playoff series.

 

 

I find it hilariously ironic that fans of Miller are calling Luongo a choke artist.

Indeed...luongo, choke or not, has been closer to a cup than our 42 year old franchise has ever been.

[JJFIVEOH]

...and she hasn't even been alive since the Sabres last won a playoff series.

 

 

I find it hilariously ironic that fans of Miller are calling Luongo a choke artist.

 

I'd hardly call Miller a choke artist. When he's not playing well it's usually because he's pouting about something. I don't think Miller is really known for blowing a lot of games under pressure when compared to the amount he's won.

[LGR4GM]

Indeed...luongo, choke or not, has been closer to a cup than our 42 year old franchise has ever been.

what do they say about close?

 

...and she hasn't even been alive since the Sabres last won a playoff series.

 

 

I find it hilariously ironic that fans of Miller are calling Luongo a choke artist.

whys that? The olympics? Some random playoff game? Show me a series where miller just utterly falls completely apart and sucks so bad 4goals doesn't get his team a win... cuz luongo has at least 2 series where that comes to mind and its been in the last 2 series he has played. Of course we could totally use 43yr old goaltender in 10 years... you know when Luongo's horrendous contract expires...

[spndnchz]

Miller vs. Luongo aside, that move sucks.

[SwampD]

what do they say about close?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp1muwMcBzs

 

 

whys that? The olympics? Some random playoff game? Show me a series where miller just utterly falls completely apart and sucks so bad 4goals doesn't get his team a win... cuz luongo has at least 2 series where that comes to mind and its been in the last 2 series he has played. Of course we could totally use 43yr old goaltender in 10 years... you know when Luongo's horrendous contract expires...

You mean like against Philly last year? Where in three of the four losses, 4 goals wouldn't have won it?

 

I don't have to mention the Olympics or game seven against Carolina going into the third with a lead only to give up 3, because you already did.

 

Just for the record, I don't call Miller a choker. Teams lose. Goalies lose. To think that Luongo's losses somehow fall into some speciel catagory that Miller's don't is just silly.

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Not sure about acquiring Luongo, but I do find the idea of trading Miller for some studs up front compelling. These past few SC finals have shown that all three "zones" (offense, defense, net) need to be strong.

 

The Sabres are particularly weak at offense, but pretty strong at D. I think an Enroth/Hasek combo could get you a Cup with a strong D and potent offense. That is assuming Hasek isn't washed up. Hasek at, what...47, is a better goalie than half the starters in the league as long as he still has "it".

 

But if not Hasek, there are probably a handful of goalies available who are under the radar now, but ready to be part of a strong tandem.

 

A Cup run is worth trading Miller for, IMHO, for the right return. Just because goal-tending "isn't the problem" that doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't use whatever assets to reach the goal.

[Randall Flagg]

 

You mean like against Philly last year? Where in three of the four losses, 4 goals wouldn't have won it?

 

I don't have to mention the Olympics or game seven against Carolina going into the third with a lead only to give up 3, because you already did.

 

Just for the record, I don't call Miller a choker. Teams lose. Goalies lose. To think that Luongo's losses somehow fall into some speciel catagory that Miller's don't is just silly.

This.

 

Luongo deserves plenty of blame for the cup final as well as praise for helping to get there. He had a team in front of him for those four losses and the victories.

And I didn't even look at the miller part of the trade that closely, was tied up in the changing center position, Roy to Kesler, and the #2 pick to cover for stafford and the other first rounders.

 

 

Miller vs. Luongo aside, that move sucks.

If you divide it up as Roy and a pick for kesler, and stafford/sekera and the other pick for second overall, it doesn't seem too bad to me...

[spndnchz]

This.

 

Luongo deserves plenty of blame for the cup final as well as praise for helping to get there. He had a team in front of him for those four losses and the victories.

And I didn't even look at the miller part of the trade that closely, was tied up in the changing center position, Roy to Kesler, and the #2 pick to cover for stafford and the other first rounders.

 

 

If you divide it up as Roy and a pick for kesler, and stafford/sekera and the other pick for second overall, it doesn't seem too bad to me...

Plus a decade of Luongo.

[TrueBlueGED]

Not sure about acquiring Luongo, but I do find the idea of trading Miller for some studs up front compelling. These past few SC finals have shown that all three "zones" (offense, defense, net) need to be strong.

 

The Sabres are particularly weak at offense, but pretty strong at D. I think an Enroth/Hasek combo could get you a Cup with a strong D and potent offense. That is assuming Hasek isn't washed up. Hasek at, what...47, is a better goalie than half the starters in the league as long as he still has "it".

 

But if not Hasek, there are probably a handful of goalies available who are under the radar now, but ready to be part of a strong tandem.

 

A Cup run is worth trading Miller for, IMHO, for the right return. Just because goal-tending "isn't the problem" that doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't use whatever assets to reach the goal.

 

The problem with trading Miller is I think it's a classic case where he means more here than he would to another team. The combination of his salary and NTC (not to mention if he's as overrated as some here believe....what makes you believe the rest of the NHL doesn't know this?) makes him difficult to move. I don't think there's any chance you'd get two studs for him. Maybe a top-6 player and a prospect or pick, but studs? No way...again, especially if teams believe he's as overrated as many Sabres fans believe.

 

And Hasek was washed up when he left the NHL, what makes anybody think he isn't washed up now? He got his second Cup ring as a backup to Osgood, who he lost his job to in the postseason because he sucked (.888 save%). I'd rather throw the keys to Enroth than have even the slightest faith that Hasek can be a good starter for 40-50 games.

 

 

 

If you divide it up as Roy and a pick for kesler, and stafford/sekera and the other pick for second overall, it doesn't seem too bad to me...

 

I'd agree with this...except for the fact that Kesler may be very damaged goods. He had shoulder surgery a few years ago, hip surgery last year, and he's getting (or has gotten, not sure) another shoulder surgery this offseason. I would LOVE to have Kesler on this team and would trade Roy+ for him in an instant...providing he's healthy. But I think he carries a very heavy injury concern which people tend to overlook.

[Randall Flagg]

 

Plus a decade of Luongo.

I took that out of the equation because you did in your post...but yeah, suppose that could be a bit of a turnoff, so that is why the new gm must get on Burke's good side right away :P And there is also an outside chance Lu could play just as well as Miller has in the past 5+ years.

 

Obviously this isn't the perfect blockbuster in terms of the sabres, but will there ever be one? At some point I'd like to see management identify a change that could really help the team, recognize the possible consequences/benefits, and just go for it, screw the fear of ramifications.

[darksabre]

I guess at the end of the day I don't have a problem trading Miller, I just don't want Luongo. He'd be a re-tread.

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

I guess at the end of the day I don't have a problem trading Miller, I just don't want Luongo. He'd be a re-tread.

 

Again...I don't get it. Look at the stats and the standings and playoff push for the past 6 years and please tell me how Luongo is even near considered worse than Miller....ok...maybe I will do it for us.

[TheMatrix31]

I'd trust Miller with one arm tied behind my back before I'd trust Luongo.

[Lanny]

Tsn Final rankings: http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=9825

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

Tsn Final rankings: http://www.tsn.ca/dr...eature/?id=9825

 

Faksa and Ceci...good detective combo...good pick combo

[TrueBlueGED]

Faksa and Ceci...good detective combo...good pick combo

 

Any two of Faksa, Ceci, Maatta, Girgensons would be great in my view (1 forward and 1 defenseman ideally). Another guy I really like the more I read about is Mark Jankowski, and I'd be OK with packaging our two seconds to move up higher to secure him early in round 2 or late round 1, particularly if we miss out on the centers in round 1 (it's distinctly possible Faksa is gone before 12, and Girgensons is taken between 12 and 21).

[darksabre]

 

 

Again...I don't get it. Look at the stats and the standings and playoff push for the past 6 years and please tell me how Luongo is even near considered worse than Miller....ok...maybe I will do it for us.

 

The only reason you don't get it is because you don't agree.

 

Miller and Luongo might as well be brothers. They're the same friggen guy, right down to the hair and the thousand mile stare. Luongo for Miller would be the same as going from an F150 to a Silverado. Might as well just stick with what you know.

[bunomatic]

No-oungo and I'm sorry but imo Kesler is way over-rated. This years playoff debacle proved that. He does put his heart into the game but plays injured more often than not and I wouldn't consider him a game changer like some do. Bringing in him and Loungo ' the swimmer ' would be a step back imo.

[drnkirishone]

I like Kesler's game alot. But as others said his injury problems worry me. Also I feel he would be very ineffective with out the wonder twins above his line. he is more the 1b center then a 1a and the only way I think his game works is with a major scoring line working opposite his line

[Bullwinkle III]

I like Kesler's game alot. But as others said his injury problems worry me. Also I feel he would be very ineffective with out the wonder twins above his line. he is more the 1b center then a 1a and the only way I think his game works is with a major scoring line working opposite his line

 

Kesler was injured most of last year. His off season surgery was successful and he's slated to go into the lineup in November (probably around the time that the lockout will end). I don't see how the twins playing on another line affect his performance. He's a tough, hard-nosed center that can penalty kill along with being on the PP.

[Sabres Fan in NS]

This is why I like this place so much. Two pages in the "who should the sabres draft" thread with very little mention of the draft.

 

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For what it's worth count me amoung the minority ... I would make the trade proposed by Ghost.

 

It could very well blow up in the Sabres face, but it would shake up the core to it's very core. I would do it for that reason alone.

[Lanny]

Buffalo gets: Luongo, Kesler, #2 pick

 

Vancouver gets: Nash, Roy, Stafford

 

Columbus gets: Miller, Raymond, Sekera, #12, #21, #26 from Van

 

Perhaps the sum of everything is close, but from a Columbus perspective they are trading the top two assets in this deal (Nash & #2 overall) and getting back a bunch of stuff, the most valuable of which is a 32 year old goaltender who may not waive his NTC to go there. If I'm doing this from their end the goaltender I need is Schneider, and while having 3 1sts would be nice I'm not giving up Galchenyuk or one of those top Dmen for it.