lost in dc Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 well, we're back to the same old mid-season crap. this is not the time to lose back to back games. i can accept the pittsburgh loss, it's clearly a much more talented team but to toronto. this is ridiculous. they don't control their fate anymore. it's what's washington doing, what's this team doing. they had it and they blew it.
sabresnutinphoenix Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 This team is so emotionally fragile...They need a heart transplant...
Weave Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 Wasn't sure what thread would be appropriate for this so I figured I'd put it here. Mike Harrington @BNHarrington #Sabres need to change their schedule next year and end all these back-to-backs. In game two the last five years, they're just 39-44-15 The back to backs may make for alot of Friday night home games and bigger crowds but, damn, that is a lousy 2nd game record.
Guest Sloth Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 The Sabres will win the Stanley Cup this year! Just on the ps3 as they always do... Nothing new.
Derrico Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 Wasn't sure what thread would be appropriate for this so I figured I'd put it here. Mike Harrington @BNHarrington #Sabres need to change their schedule next year and end all these back-to-backs. In game two the last five years, they're just 39-44-15 The back to backs may make for alot of Friday night home games and bigger crowds but, damn, that is a lousy 2nd game record. I like this point. Winning will bring larger crowds and having less back to backs increases our chances of winning.
Randall Flagg Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 I like this point. Winning will bring larger crowds and having less back to backs increases our chances of winning. We need louder crowds, not larger crowds.
BuffalOhio Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 Wasn't sure what thread would be appropriate for this so I figured I'd put it here. Mike Harrington @BNHarrington #Sabres need to change their schedule next year and end all these back-to-backs. In game two the last five years, they're just 39-44-15 The back to backs may make for alot of Friday night home games and bigger crowds but, damn, that is a lousy 2nd game record. I agree. They're killing themselves with these back to backs, just to make money.
bunomatic Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 So they actually lobby the league for more back to backs in order to make money ?
Huckleberry Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 can't afford to drop a single point now :(
Weave Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 So they actually lobby the league for more back to backs in order to make money ? I'm pretty sure that team mgt has admitted publicly that they petitioned the league to maximize their Friday and Satruday home games. End result is more Fri-Sat back to backs. At least my feeble mind remembers it that way.
TrueBlueGED Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 I'm pretty sure that team mgt has admitted publicly that they petitioned the league to maximize their Friday and Satruday home games. End result is more Fri-Sat back to backs. At least my feeble mind remembers it that way. It was Ted Black on WGR, and they were talking about how the schedule gets made. Basically teams get to choose what they want to be their "main" or "primary" night for home games, and then the schedule makers go from there. The Sabres want Fridays to be their night, and since most teams play on Saturday, they consequently get stuck with a lot of back to backs. That was my recollection, anyway.
TheMatrix31 Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 Wow. That's utter IDIOCY if they're pushing for more b2b's.
bunomatic Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 Wow. That's utter IDIOCY if they're pushing for more b2b's. If they are lobbying for more back to backs in order to maximize profits then clearly their only reason for existence isn't to win the stanley cup. Or let me word it this way. If they are asking the league for more friday night home games knowing that along with that comes more saturday night games ( a good deal of which are against rested opponents ) simply to maximize profits then clearly their only reason for existence isn't to win the stanley cup it is for profit. Someone over there has to get their head out of their a$$. I have to ask. Exactly how many of our 23 or so back to backs were against a rested opponent on the second night ?
Derrico Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 If they are lobbying for more back to backs in order to maximize profits then clearly their only reason for existence isn't to win the stanley cup. Or let me word it this way. If they are asking the league for more friday night home games knowing that along with that comes more saturday night games ( a good deal of which are against rested opponents ) simply to maximize profits then clearly their only reason for existence isn't to win the stanley cup it is for profit. Someone over there has to get their head out of their a$$. I have to ask. Exactly how many of our 23 or so back to backs were against a rested opponent on the second night ? I'm thinking several. I had brought up the discussion of why we have home Friday night games earlier in the season and and someone pointed out then that it was not necessarily to maximize profits but was the tradition back when they played at the Aud. I think that may be a better explanation than maximizing profits. The Sabres have a huge Southern Ontario following and if they wanted to get more people in the stands then I would think Saturday night or even Sunday afternoon would be more appealing time slots. I'm tired of leading the league in back to backs....
Taro T Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 I'm thinking several. I had brought up the discussion of why we have home Friday night games earlier in the season and and someone pointed out then that it was not necessarily to maximize profits but was the tradition back when they played at the Aud. I think that may be a better explanation than maximizing profits. The Sabres have a huge Southern Ontario following and if they wanted to get more people in the stands then I would think Saturday night or even Sunday afternoon would be more appealing time slots. I'm tired of leading the league in back to backs.... You might have something there. Considering that they've capped out how many tix they'll put up for seasons, there's a waiting list, and IIHC Ted Black said only 1 game wasn't a SO, I don't think that all the Friday games are to necessarily get fannies in the seats. When you throw in the # of teams that want Saturday night home games, the Sabres picking Friday will naturally create a lot of back to backs. Counting Friday as a weekend date, the Sabres have historically (going back to at least the mid-90's) had a roughly 50-50 split for home games on weekends / weeknights. Unless they move to Saturday as their preferred home game night (and they'll be far back of the pack in pecking order for that night, so they probably won't end up w/ a preponderance of Saturday home games) their options are stay w/ Fridays, move to Sundays (same issue w/ b-t-b's, just now the home game is the 2nd game) or increase the # of weeknight home games. Prior to the lockout, the Sabres went at least 7 years with 12-15 Friday night home games. Coming out of the lockout they only had 9 home Fridays but also only had 3 road Fridays. Don't have the last few years data handy, but it seems like Friday has been the dominant home game night since that year. While I expect the Friday nighters with going out of town on Saturdays cause some of the excess b-t-b's, I'd expect at least as big a factor is having a schedule significantly weighted towards excess games late in the season compared to October and November. If they'd throw in a few extra games early in the year (while the Bills are still relevant, which will likely be longer than in past years this millenium) then they wouldn't have so many b-t-b's down the stretch.
nobody Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 I recall Ted Black mentioning that he was trying to minimize the number of back to back games. But of course if TrueBlue was correct with his comment about the Sabres wanting more Friday games then it would be hard to minimize. Maybe they didn't have as much say last year being very new to the league. Hopefully next season we will see less back to backs on the schedule.
Weave Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 I would assume that a Friday night game means it is a more premium game than if the same team were playing on a weekday, so yeah, I assume it is about revenues. He may have said that if he wants more money he'll drill a well but there is no doubt in my mind they are going to put in the policies that maximize what they can get out of the current team and structure.
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 I would assume that a Friday night game means it is a more premium game than if the same team were playing on a weekday, so yeah, I assume it is about revenues. He may have said that if he wants more money he'll drill a well but there is no doubt in my mind they are going to put in the policies that maximize what they can get out of the current team and structure. Remember......when I say the machine is still 98% the same, this is an example. All the marketing guys, ticket guys, tv, etc.....are the same, minus Ted Black in for Quinn. These are ALL students of Quinn for the most part and I have no idea how some of them get paid. Are there bonuses to Gilbert for sellouts? When you bring in one new set of eyes for an entire franchise.......it's pretty tough for that guy to think of EVERYTHING to change it up with the lone goal of winning. One of the side effects of having Status Quo on board going on 15 years is that everyone is set in their ways. So you get things like.....6 MSG games with the NY/NJ feed.....or leading the league in back to back games so they can squeak out extra $$ on a few thousand window tickets for 5 or 6 gold games. It will take 3 years just to weed out the huge mistakes in thought process of Status Quo that are geared towards making an extra buck over having the most efficient and fan-friendly team in the league.
TheChimp Posted April 3, 2012 Report Posted April 3, 2012 So they actually lobby the league for more back to backs in order to make money ? Oooooh this sounds good. :ph34r:
TrueBlueGED Posted April 3, 2012 Report Posted April 3, 2012 This morning on WGR, Ruff said having so many back to backs puts the team at a competitive disadvantage and would like to see the number reduced to the league average, around 14.
G-Daddy Posted April 3, 2012 Report Posted April 3, 2012 This morning on WGR, Ruff said having so many back to backs puts the team at a competitive disadvantage and would like to see the number reduced to the league average, around 14. Another point for the end of season press conference.....injuries and too many back to backs.
TrueBlueGED Posted April 3, 2012 Report Posted April 3, 2012 Another point for the end of season press conference.....injuries and too many back to backs. Did he say something inaccurate? They're 39-59 in the second game of back-to-backs the last 5 seasons. With such a putrid record, leading the league in back-to-back sets IS a competitive disadvantage. It's a fact. Or, would you prefer they pretend it didn't matter and do nothing about it? What is it, do you want them to do everything possible to win more games, or not? This is something they can change, and it should result in more wins. WTF is the problem?
Eleven Posted April 3, 2012 Report Posted April 3, 2012 This morning on WGR, Ruff said having so many back to backs puts the team at a competitive disadvantage and would like to see the number reduced to the league average, around 14. He's got the right owner to make that happen now. I think it was Golisano who wanted so many Friday night games.
shrader Posted April 3, 2012 Report Posted April 3, 2012 He's got the right owner to make that happen now. I think it was Golisano who wanted so many Friday night games. And didn't they already say last year that it was something they wanted to change? I seem to remember quotes from Black saying that the scheduling process was already in the works when the new ownership took over and it was too late to change it for this season.
spndnchz Posted April 3, 2012 Report Posted April 3, 2012 And didn't they already say last year that it was something they wanted to change? I seem to remember quotes from Black saying that the scheduling process was already in the works when the new ownership took over and it was too late to change it for this season. I'm pretty sure the first drafts of the schedule are done by All Star break. There are a few tweaks to get last years playoff teams playing each other by the first week of the season. Buffalo Sabres had the most B2B this season with 21. The average IS 14.
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