deluca67 Posted March 18, 2012 Report Posted March 18, 2012 I love Foligno but don't compare his one week of bad travel to what the Canucks go through each year and the amount Hodgson did prior to the trade and since. He's hit the wall. He is no Raffi Torres. Give him a chance. I'm done with my thoughts on CH. I like to think I've got a good read on players I see each night. Yes, he was a product of his situation in Van but I believe he's gonna be a nice addition. A 22 year old kid playing only 13 minutes a game shouldn't be "hitting the wall." no matter what the travel is like. If this is true, it gives me even more concerns about Hodgson.
waldo Posted March 18, 2012 Report Posted March 18, 2012 LOL Like I wrote in another post, he apparently was hired to make Roy and Stafford look like superstars. :rolleyes: Yep he created a ton of shots for his linemates ..(2 i think/ one each rw/lw)
Gramps Posted March 18, 2012 Report Posted March 18, 2012 What the hell happened to Brad Boyes? No, really. What the hell happened to him? He is definitely one example that backs up the Lindy Effect argument. Boyes' production was going steadily downhill in St. Louis before we acquired him. Nothing to do with Ruff ... more like a degradation of skills over time.
rickshaw Posted March 18, 2012 Report Posted March 18, 2012 Amazing how the travel doesn't seem to effect the 20 other Canucks the past 2 years, some in their 30's....while the 22 year old can't handle a charter plane and staying at a few Ritz's. I call just another excuse crafted by the faithful. If you want to defend Hodgson's potential....i will trust you...you've seen a lot of him. But let's start looking at other options, like how the Sabres get NOTHING out of any new acquisitions....or how those coming here say they have to constantly think in Lindy's system where they could just go out and play somewhere else.....or how Darcy always seems to get burned with someone who is out of shape, or has a broken wrist, or who has no work ethic, or who has his daddy on the phone every 24 hours with management. When I was 22, I stayed up 48 hours on a Vegas bender, took the redeye back, went to work, and drove up the turnpike 4 hours that night, only to wake up at 6am and walk a sales grounds in 88 degree heat the next day, and 4 after. The other players do get tired in Van. See Sedin's numbers last month! Most rookies hit the wall. Remember CH has been dealing with back issues the past two years and hasn't played much hockey the past few seasons. Oh, I agree on the system being flawed in Sabreland. Ruff needs to go and that's that. CH has much potential and will be a better pro than ZK.
deluca67 Posted March 18, 2012 Report Posted March 18, 2012 The other players do get tired in Van. See Sedin's numbers last month! Most rookies hit the wall. Remember CH has been dealing with back issues the past two years and hasn't played much hockey the past few seasons. Oh, I agree on the system being flawed in Sabreland. Ruff needs to go and that's that. CH has much potential and will be a better pro than ZK. If you are on the Cody Hodgson PR team you really need to be fired.
rickshaw Posted March 18, 2012 Report Posted March 18, 2012 If you are on the Cody Hodgson PR team you really need to be fired. I am not on his PR team, just stating facts. He has played 73 gms this year in the NHL, and totaled 73 the previous two yrs between the AHL and NHL. Again, he will be fine and a fan favourite one day. He's a good kid , doesn't complain and will work this out.
TrueBlueGED Posted March 18, 2012 Report Posted March 18, 2012 Amazing how the travel doesn't seem to effect the 20 other Canucks the past 2 years, some in their 30's....while the 22 year old can't handle a charter plane and staying at a few Ritz's. I call just another excuse crafted by the faithful. If you want to defend Hodgson's potential....i will trust you...you've seen a lot of him. But let's start looking at other options, like how the Sabres get NOTHING out of any new acquisitions....or how those coming here say they have to constantly think in Lindy's system where they could just go out and play somewhere else.....or how Darcy always seems to get burned with someone who is out of shape, or has a broken wrist, or who has no work ethic, or who has his daddy on the phone every 24 hours with management. When I was 22, I stayed up 48 hours on a Vegas bender, took the redeye back, went to work, and drove up the turnpike 4 hours that night, only to wake up at 6am and walk a sales grounds in 88 degree heat the next day, and 4 after. A 22 year old kid playing only 13 minutes a game shouldn't be "hitting the wall." no matter what the travel is like. If this is true, it gives me even more concerns about Hodgson. Half of the Vancouver fan base is saying the exact same things about Vigneault and Kassian that you guys (and others, I'm just too lazy to go back pages of quotes) are saying about Ruff and Hodgson. The system stifles him! He's thinking too much! What a bust! He's invisible! And on and on and on. I just happen to think they're both 20-21 year old rookies who got traded less than a season into their NHL careers and are struggling to acclimate to the NHL, a new system and new teammates. Did I expect more than zero points out of Hodgson in 10 games? Absolutely. It would be great if he could bury some of his chances, or his linemates could bury some of his passes. But I disagree that he's bringing nothing to the table at all as he tends to create several chances each game, and his faceoff win was directly responsible for Roy's tying goal last night. He also broke up at least 3 potential rushes with great back checks by the blue line. Let's be completely honest, the number of rookies who come in and set the world on fire for an entire season are a vast minority. Sean Couturier, who just about everybody wishes we had, is going to have fewer points than Hodgson this year while averaging more ice time. Luke Adam started out on fire and completely hit a wall (and yes, this occurred before being moved off the top line). Adam Henrique's production has slowed dramatically from his start in the first half. Even Nugent-Hopkins has slowed a bit from his early season pace. Are all of these guys bums because they haven't been consistent as rookies? Yea, Hodgson getting on the scoresheet would be great, but this trade wasn't made for a playoff push. And honestly I have trouble railing on a rookie who has played 10 games for us when everybody save for the Ennis line is failing to produce. Vanek, Pominville, Roy, Leino and Boyes aren't helping the playoff push much more than Hodgson, and last I checked they're actually expected to contribute on a regular basis.
Bmwolf21 Posted March 18, 2012 Report Posted March 18, 2012 No way. Look at his numbers. In his entire career, he has never been as offensively challenged as he has been with Buffalo. And now he can't even score in the SO. What the hell happened,... other than Lindy? Boyes' production was going steadily downhill in St. Louis before we acquired him. Nothing to do with Ruff ... more like a degradation of skills over time. Yep. The only thing Boyes' numbers show is that his entire career has been consistently inconsistent. Half of the Vancouver fan base is saying the exact same things about Vigneault and Kassian that you guys (and others, I'm just too lazy to go back pages of quotes) are saying about Ruff and Hodgson. The system stifles him! He's thinking too much! What a bust! He's invisible! And on and on and on. I just happen to think they're both 20-21 year old rookies who got traded less than a season into their NHL careers and are struggling to acclimate to the NHL, a new system and new teammates. Did I expect more than zero points out of Hodgson in 10 games? Absolutely. It would be great if he could bury some of his chances, or his linemates could bury some of his passes. But I disagree that he's bringing nothing to the table at all as he tends to create several chances each game, and his faceoff win was directly responsible for Roy's tying goal last night. He also broke up at least 3 potential rushes with great back checks by the blue line. Let's be completely honest, the number of rookies who come in and set the world on fire for an entire season are a vast minority. Sean Couturier, who just about everybody wishes we had, is going to have fewer points than Hodgson this year while averaging more ice time. Luke Adam started out on fire and completely hit a wall (and yes, this occurred before being moved off the top line). Adam Henrique's production has slowed dramatically from his start in the first half. Even Nugent-Hopkins has slowed a bit from his early season pace. Are all of these guys bums because they haven't been consistent as rookies? Yea, Hodgson getting on the scoresheet would be great, but this trade wasn't made for a playoff push. And honestly I have trouble railing on a rookie who has played 10 games for us when everybody save for the Ennis line is failing to produce. Vanek, Pominville, Roy, Leino and Boyes aren't helping the playoff push much more than Hodgson, and last I checked they're actually expected to contribute on a regular basis. Good post.
nfreeman Posted March 18, 2012 Report Posted March 18, 2012 If I didn't get accepted to McGill today, I'd be downright disappointed :ph34r: Congrats! I listened to the post game and listened to all the callers complaining about the Sabres and shootouts. I really don't know how people can seriously lay any blame on a team when it comes to shootouts. For the most part it's a crapshoot. Correct. That is true, but the fact that this team has had so many shoot-outs is testament to how bad the offense has been all season. This team simply is not scoring enough goals in normal play, period. Also correct. Not making excuses, I'm just rational. He'll be a good player for this team. Foligno is a rookie, yes but he hasn't played a whole season in th NHL and he wasn't enjoying the West Coast travel like Vancity enjoys. I always laugh when East Coast fans don't see how good their teams have it when it comes to travel. Hodgson has hit the wall and it comes at a bad time. But longterm, I have a feeling I'll be looking up some of the panic posts regarding him. I like this, Rickshaw. Hold firm. The barbarians are at the gate but they don't know how to do anything but howl at the moon. Last night Dineen used D-Man Kulikov in the SO and he ended it up getting the winner, I can't remember the Sabres using a D-man in the SO in any recent times. Boyes has scored twice in his last 8 SO's, I wouldn't mind seeing Hoff or even Leo given a shot once in a while instead of putting a player that is colder than the ice out there. They've used Myers a few times. What the hell happened to Brad Boyes? No, really. What the hell happened to him? He is definitely one example that backs up the Lindy Effect argument. But thats not the problem. Darcy made his move. He wont trade for a guy like getzlaf for instance unless pegula tells him he must. I dont see that happening. Hodgson was his move, now in typical fashion Darcy will wait. Didn't you 2 sign the DeLuca Armistice?
kishoph Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 They've used Myers a few times. You're right, I do remember one specific SO goal from Myers, but I can't remember anything recently (I do have a bad memory). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU0ZpgIwqjI
biodork Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 If we're going to be in a shootout every game, sit Boyes and recall Kotalik. Now that's not a bad idea. I forgot all about him. Certainly can't be any worse. Al is not in Rochester -- he's in the Czech Republic.
rickshaw Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 Ehrhoff should totally get a chance. As for shootouts, they are a joke. That FN guy on the Isles is 22 for 37 lifetime. Should we trade for him even though he may be the crappiest player in the NHL? The Canucks have had the MVP Finalists two years in a row and they never get to shoot. One Sedin is 2 for 20 something. The other not much better. The league needs to scrap it. It's a novelty that is over. Go 4-4 and then 3-3. Players will like it better and I'm sure the fans will too.
Wyldnwoody44 Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 The shootout is cool and fans enjoy it (my fingernails do not) but it is not really determining the outcome of the game fairly at all. The NHL needs to be discussing this type of problem in the fancy GM circle jerk meetings they have, instead of some of this other crap on the table. They should eliminate loser points altogether, you play to win, and that's how it should be, none of this back and forth passing and tying it up on the boards trying to expire the clock, its ridiculous. 2 points to the winner 0 points for the loser. If it ends up in OT go 4-4 for 5 min Then 3-3 for 5 min If then there is no scoring, then declare a tie and split the points 1-1 I highly doubt many games will end up tied and it would be just as exciting, as well as allowing the better team to actually earn the win, this way the teams that do make the playoffs have earned it
LGR4GM Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 Didn't you 2 sign the DeLuca Armistice? no.
JJFIVEOH Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 Al is not in Rochester -- he's in the Czech Republic. Isn't he still under contract with BFLO though? I'm not familiar with how that works out for players who aren't actually playing for their minor league team.
Punch Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 Isn't he still under contract with BFLO though? I'm not familiar with how that works out for players who aren't actually playing for their minor league team. The Sabres still hold his rights, but he was assigned to Rochester. He refused assignment and went back home instead. If ever he wanted to return to the NHL the Sabres would still hold those rights. It's highly unlikely he'll ever return to the NHL.
biodork Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 Isn't he still under contract with BFLO though? I'm not familiar with how that works out for players who aren't actually playing for their minor league team. The Sabres still hold his rights, but he was assigned to Rochester. He refused assignment and went back home instead. If ever he wanted to return to the NHL the Sabres would still hold those rights. It's highly unlikely he'll ever return to the NHL. Punch beat me to the... punch? :P Actually I didn't know the answer and was going to defer to someone more familiar with the CBA, but I would guess even if they could try and force him to report, they wouldn't do it.
Formerly Allan in MD Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 Yup. And sure, I'd LOVE to see Stafford convert onmore of the scoring chances he's been getting lately, but the important thing to me, really, is that he's getting and often creating those chances. There was a 20 second or so stretch tonight where Stafford and Ennis were dishing back and forth near the right face off circle, Stafford got two great scoring chances in a row, and I believe Leopold or another defense man got a third from roughly the same spot during the same possession. It was awesome passing. Stafford looks like a different player when playing with Ennis. He's still clueless about what to do in a shootout. Again, I'm not saying it's all on him. It would be nice if someone coached him because it's always the same slow "stroll" and shot into the pads.
Kristian Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 Ehrhoff should totally get a chance. As for shootouts, they are a joke. That FN guy on the Isles is 22 for 37 lifetime. Should we trade for him even though he may be the crappiest player in the NHL? The Canucks have had the MVP Finalists two years in a row and they never get to shoot. One Sedin is 2 for 20 something. The other not much better. The league needs to scrap it. It's a novelty that is over. Go 4-4 and then 3-3. Players will like it better and I'm sure the fans will too. I'd happily take his 14 goals and 22 assists, plus his two-way game and penalty killing at this point. The fact that he pretty much owns the shootout just goes to show how underrated he actually is. Kind of injury prone though. Would fit right in!
kishoph Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 If I could change one thing with overtime it would be to increase it to 10 minutes.
neverenough Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 Hey rickshaw, This hodgson cat looks worse than Timmy C. If he continues on with his play i don't see why he would even be ahead of Derek Roy. Hodgson has been a massive letdown so far.
Kristian Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 I'm willing to give him well into next season before passing any kind og judgement on him. He's the new kid on the block, on one of the most dysfunctional and underachieving teams in the NHL, run by a core that is lazy and disinterested. Hodgson is the least of our problems.
FogBat Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 A 22 year old kid playing only 13 minutes a game shouldn't be "hitting the wall." no matter what the travel is like. If this is true, it gives me even more concerns about Hodgson. Ouch!
MattPie Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 If then there is no scoring, then declare a tie and split the points 1-1 I highly doubt many games will end up tied and it would be just as exciting, as well as allowing the better team to actually earn the win, this way the teams that do make the playoffs have earned it I think I've replied this before, but you really must not remember the overtime from the pre-lockout years. It's exactly what you describe above, two teams playing to not lose. I think you'd see both teams' PK units out there for the 4-on-4.
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