kishoph Posted March 18, 2012 Report Posted March 18, 2012 Last night Dineen used D-Man Kulikov in the SO and he ended it up getting the winner, I can't remember the Sabres using a D-man in the SO in any recent times. Boyes has scored twice in his last 8 SO's, I wouldn't mind seeing Hoff or even Leo given a shot once in a while instead of putting a player that is colder than the ice out there.
waldo Posted March 18, 2012 Report Posted March 18, 2012 So you think teams are dying to trade their star centers for the players that all Sabres fans seem to hate? Yep, that makes a ton of sense. <_< Yep!.. it is brilliant ! here...take my crap and give me something useful i can have Lindy Ruff destroy :blink:
LGR4GM Posted March 18, 2012 Report Posted March 18, 2012 well after perusing the usual posts, 1) Lay off Hodgson, hes a rookie and on a team that has 3 good wingers maybe. He is not the typical acquisition (like Boyes) so I am going to wait til next season before writing the kid off. 2) Its so repetitive but our core is a failure. Ennis, Foligno, Sekera, Myers, McNabb and Enroth are the future of this team. I'd include Hodgson as well. We do need vets but we need to give the team to a new core of younger players imho.
rickshaw Posted March 18, 2012 Report Posted March 18, 2012 well after perusing the usual posts, 1) Lay off Hodgson, hes a rookie and on a team that has 3 good wingers maybe. He is not the typical acquisition (like Boyes) so I am going to wait til next season before writing the kid off. 2) Its so repetitive but our core is a failure. Ennis, Foligno, Sekera, Myers, McNabb and Enroth are the future of this team. I'd include Hodgson as well. We do need vets but we need to give the team to a new core of younger players imho. +1
Randall Flagg Posted March 18, 2012 Report Posted March 18, 2012 Yep!.. it is brilliant ! here...take my crap and give me something useful i can have Lindy Ruff destroy :blink: Remember when everyone agreed that Myers would fetch Getzlaf? There are deals out there, just because we haven't thought of or heard anything about them. People act like every player is garbage and we have no chance of trading for a center. We have Myers, McNabb, Hodgson, Vanek, Ennis, 2 first round picks, 2 second round picks, etc. Fire Darcy/Lindy, see what any combination of those can get you. If nothing is worth it, then oh well, but it doesn't hurt to try and get that freaking center us fans would kill for.
LGR4GM Posted March 18, 2012 Report Posted March 18, 2012 Remember when everyone agreed that Myers would fetch Getzlaf? There are deals out there, just because we haven't thought of or heard anything about them. People act like every player is garbage and we have no chance of trading for a center. We have Myers, McNabb, Hodgson, Vanek, Ennis, 2 first round picks, 2 second round picks, etc. Fire Darcy/Lindy, see what any combination of those can get you. If nothing is worth it, then oh well, but it doesn't hurt to try and get that freaking center us fans would kill for. you couldnt name a trade other than something ridiculous like Stamkos that makes me want to trade Ennis who has been acting more like a #1 center than anyone since drury/briere
Randall Flagg Posted March 18, 2012 Report Posted March 18, 2012 you couldnt name a trade other than something ridiculous like Stamkos that makes me want to trade Ennis who has been acting more like a #1 center than anyone since drury/briere Then take his name out. Still a few players there.
JJFIVEOH Posted March 18, 2012 Report Posted March 18, 2012 If we're going to be in a shootout every game, sit Boyes and recall Kotalik. Now that's not a bad idea. I forgot all about him. Certainly can't be any worse.
deluca67 Posted March 18, 2012 Report Posted March 18, 2012 Not making excuses, I'm just rational. He'll be a good player for this team. Foligno is a rookie, yes but he hasn't played a whole season in th NHL and he wasn't enjoying the West Coast travel like Vancity enjoys. I always laugh when East Coast fans don't see how good their teams have it when it comes to travel. Hodgson has hit the wall and it comes at a bad time. But longterm, I have a feeling I'll be looking up some of the panic posts regarding him. Hodgson hit the wall in Vancouver and I wonder if was that is part of their reason for moving him. He had 3 points in his final 13 games with the Canucks. That is 3 points in 23 games, one point in his last 16 games and no points in his last 13 games and has been a minus player for 7 straight games. You look to watch for other aspects of a players game when the offense isn't there, I haven't seen anything from Hodgson that tells me has more to his game than offense which is troublesome.
SwampD Posted March 18, 2012 Report Posted March 18, 2012 What the hell happened to Brad Boyes? No, really. What the hell happened to him? He is definitely one example that backs up the Lindy Effect argument.
LGR4GM Posted March 18, 2012 Report Posted March 18, 2012 Then take his name out. Still a few players there. But thats not the problem. Darcy made his move. He wont trade for a guy like getzlaf for instance unless pegula tells him he must. I dont see that happening. Hodgson was his move, now in typical fashion Darcy will wait.
Randall Flagg Posted March 18, 2012 Report Posted March 18, 2012 But thats not the problem. Darcy made his move. He wont trade for a guy like getzlaf for instance unless pegula tells him he must. I dont see that happening. Hodgson was his move, now in typical fashion Darcy will wait. I see this problem, that's why I threw into the original post that Darcy/Lindy wont be here. I know it's wishful thinking.
deluca67 Posted March 18, 2012 Report Posted March 18, 2012 What the hell happened to Brad Boyes? No, really. What the hell happened to him? He is definitely one example that backs up the Lindy Effect argument. Nothing happened to Boyes, he is the player he always was. He is the same player the Sabres wasted a second round pick on. Boyes is a perfect example of a player in a good situation, he had those two great years with the Blues. It is much like Leino and the Flyers, a player that fit into a specific situation and had success. That success doesn't follow the player when he is removed from that situation. The Sabres have fallen into that trap twice, possibly three times in recent seasons.
rickshaw Posted March 18, 2012 Report Posted March 18, 2012 Hodgson hit the wall in Vancouver and I wonder if was that is part of their reason for moving him. He had 3 points in his final 13 games with the Canucks. That is 3 points in 23 games, one point in his last 16 games and no points in his last 13 games and has been a minus player for 7 straight games. You look to watch for other aspects of a players game when the offense isn't there, I haven't seen anything from Hodgson that tells me has more to his game than offense which is troublesome. + / - isn't an accurate stat on many occasions. ie. are you telling me that it's hisfault Miller let in a short side fluff ball last night? Are you telling me it's his fault Sulzer made a bad play in the neutral zone against Colorado? No excuses. But being a rookie and the travel isn't always easy for players. And his ice time in Van was very low (3rd and 4th line) so getting points was always gonna be hard for him there. Again, I believe he's going to be a solid pro. Hopefully he'll get his confidence back now but if not, next season he'll be better. And I don't make excuses for millionaires. I want him to do well, as well as others. But I lay blame on the core, not rookies.
LGR4GM Posted March 18, 2012 Report Posted March 18, 2012 I see this problem, that's why I threw into the original post that Darcy/Lindy wont be here. I know it's wishful thinking. lol i completely agree with that sentiment
deluca67 Posted March 18, 2012 Report Posted March 18, 2012 + / - isn't an accurate stat on many occasions. ie. are you telling me that it's hisfault Miller let in a short side fluff ball last night? Are you telling me it's his fault Sulzer made a bad play in the neutral zone against Colorado? No excuses. But being a rookie and the travel isn't always easy for players. And his ice time in Van was very low (3rd and 4th line) so getting points was always gonna be hard for him there. Again, I believe he's going to be a solid pro. Hopefully he'll get his confidence back now but if not, next season he'll be better. And I don't make excuses for millionaires. I want him to do well, as well as others. But I lay blame on the core, not rookies. On one hand you are saying the travel was wearing him out and the other you say he wasn't getting much ice time. IMO, these are two excuses for separate issues that seem to contradict each other.
SwampD Posted March 18, 2012 Report Posted March 18, 2012 Nothing happened to Boyes, he is the player he always was. He is the same player the Sabres wasted a second round pick on. Boyes is a perfect example of a player in a good situation, he had those two great years with the Blues. It is much like Leino and the Flyers, a player that fit into a specific situation and had success. That success doesn't follow the player when he is removed from that situation. The Sabres have fallen into that trap twice, possibly three times in recent seasons. No way. Look at his numbers. In his entire career, he has never been as offensively challenged as he has been with Buffalo. And now he can't even score in the SO. What the hell happened,... other than Lindy?
kishoph Posted March 18, 2012 Report Posted March 18, 2012 Here's a list of how the 7 players that were in the shootout last night have done in their careers with shootouts. Vanek - 16 of 48 - 33.3 % Ennis - 5 of 9 - 55.5 % Pommers - 5 of 12 - 41.6 % Hodgson - 3 of 8 - 37.5 % Boyes - 29 of 63 - 46.0 % Roy - 10 of 29 - 34.5 % Stafford - 10 of 33 - 30.3 % I'm not the greatest at math, so if I'm a % point off, cut me some slack. I just thought I would put this out there so people can see, make of it what you want. No way. Look at his numbers. In his entire career, he has never been as offensively challenged as he has been with Buffalo. And now he can't even score in the SO. What the hell happened,... other than Lindy? Couldn't be Lindy, could it ? He's the greatest coach to never win anything.
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted March 18, 2012 Report Posted March 18, 2012 On one hand you are saying the travel was wearing him out and the other you say he wasn't getting much ice time. IMO, these are two excuses for separate issues that seem to contradict each other. Sczczhura played in Albany, drove overnight to Buffalo, and proceeded to score 3 points in 3 games, one of which was setting up a game winner in OT, all while coming off a knee injury and never having had a practice with Lindy Ruff. He also backchecked his arse off and was often back before a 2nd d-man. Once he got a few practices in with the system and had his first clunker of a game...he was gone. I don't want to hear this travel/wall BS. Foligno played for Rochester and took 4, 3,000 mile flights in the span of a few days, and his "compete" level looks fine. I don't think he will be a savior himself, but I appreciate his energy and net play. I wonder if Hodgson's daddy has called Darcy yet?
JJFIVEOH Posted March 18, 2012 Report Posted March 18, 2012 Nothing happened to Boyes, he is the player he always was. He is the same player the Sabres wasted a second round pick on. Boyes is a perfect example of a player in a good situation, he had those two great years with the Blues. It is much like Leino and the Flyers, a player that fit into a specific situation and had success. That success doesn't follow the player when he is removed from that situation. The Sabres have fallen into that trap twice, possibly three times in recent seasons. No way. Look at his numbers. In his entire career, he has never been as offensively challenged as he has been with Buffalo. And now he can't even score in the SO. What the hell happened,... other than Lindy? I have to agree with Swamp. Leino never had 2 stellar years like Boyes did. Hell, he only had one full year before BFLO picked him up. His potential was based solely on his playoff performance. And Leino (even though his numbers don't show it) has had much more to offer in other spects of the game than Boyes simply because Boyes is completely invisible.
rickshaw Posted March 18, 2012 Report Posted March 18, 2012 On one hand you are saying the travel was wearing him out and the other you say he wasn't getting much ice time. IMO, these are two excuses for separate issues that seem to contradict each other. I thought he was a very productive player for the ice he was getting but he doesn't look like the player he was. He looks worn out. I see all Canuck games and he definitely looks fatigued.
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted March 18, 2012 Report Posted March 18, 2012 I thought he was a very productive player for the ice he was getting but he doesn't look like the player he was. He looks worn out. I see all Canuck games and he definitely looks fatigued. Could it be that he's no longer a role player on the best team in the league, facing #3+4 lines while having talented players on his wing, but he and his entourage thought his was big-time, and now the pressure of being a top player in a system known to wilt new acquisitions is doing just that? Maybe he has the same diet as Raffi torres?
rickshaw Posted March 18, 2012 Report Posted March 18, 2012 Sczczhura played in Albany, drove overnight to Buffalo, and proceeded to score 3 points in 3 games, one of which was setting up a game winner in OT, all while coming off a knee injury and never having had a practice with Lindy Ruff. He also backchecked his arse off and was often back before a 2nd d-man. Once he got a few practices in with the system and had his first clunker of a game...he was gone. I don't want to hear this travel/wall BS. Foligno played for Rochester and took 4, 3,000 mile flights in the span of a few days, and his "compete" level looks fine. I don't think he will be a savior himself, but I appreciate his energy and net play. I wonder if Hodgson's daddy has called Darcy yet? I love Foligno but don't compare his one week of bad travel to what the Canucks go through each year and the amount Hodgson did prior to the trade and since. He's hit the wall. He is no Raffi Torres. Give him a chance. I'm done with my thoughts on CH. I like to think I've got a good read on players I see each night. Yes, he was a product of his situation in Van but I believe he's gonna be a nice addition.
Randall Flagg Posted March 18, 2012 Report Posted March 18, 2012 Could it be that he's no longer a role player on the best team in the league, facing #3+4 lines while having talented players on his wing, but he and his entourage thought his was big-time, and now the pressure of being a top player in a system known to wilt new acquisitions is doing just that? Maybe he has the same diet as Raffi torres? Thats not a fair comparison... Torres had some assists! :P
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted March 18, 2012 Report Posted March 18, 2012 I love Foligno but don't compare his one week of bad travel to what the Canucks go through each year and the amount Hodgson did prior to the trade and since. He's hit the wall. Amazing how the travel doesn't seem to effect the 20 other Canucks the past 2 years, some in their 30's....while the 22 year old can't handle a charter plane and staying at a few Ritz's. I call just another excuse crafted by the faithful. If you want to defend Hodgson's potential....i will trust you...you've seen a lot of him. But let's start looking at other options, like how the Sabres get NOTHING out of any new acquisitions....or how those coming here say they have to constantly think in Lindy's system where they could just go out and play somewhere else.....or how Darcy always seems to get burned with someone who is out of shape, or has a broken wrist, or who has no work ethic, or who has his daddy on the phone every 24 hours with management. When I was 22, I stayed up 48 hours on a Vegas bender, took the redeye back, went to work, and drove up the turnpike 4 hours that night, only to wake up at 6am and walk a sales grounds in 88 degree heat the next day, and 4 after.
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