LastPommerFan Posted March 13, 2012 Report Posted March 13, 2012 2 games in a row where they showed resolve in the face of adversity, played with more grit, and found a way to win. Keep that up. Next game is against a team that is in the same boat as us. Who will have more will to win?
Weave Posted March 13, 2012 Report Posted March 13, 2012 People need to stop with this comparison. Foligno may have more grit and determination, but the skating and offensive skills between the two aren't within a mile of each other. That being said, I see Foligno as a 3rd line player, and hope that he can improve to the point where he is a fringe scoring line winger. If I remember correctly the scouting report on Foligno had him topping out as a 3rd line winger, Kassian has top 6 skills if he develops as expected. A 3rd line with Foligno, Kaleta, and a good 3rd line type center could be interesting to watch.
nfreeman Posted March 13, 2012 Report Posted March 13, 2012 People need to stop with this comparison. Foligno may have more grit and determination, but the skating and offensive skills between the two aren't within a mile of each other. That being said, I see Foligno as a 3rd line player, and hope that he can improve to the point where he is a fringe scoring line winger. I think the skating may be closer than you are giving Marcus credit for. I agree that Kassian has better hands and probably (but not certainly) a better sense of spacing on offense. Still -- how sure are you that Kassian will have a better year next year than Foligno? I think there is a pretty good likelihood that Foligno plays more and puts up close to the same amount of points. 2 games in a row where they showed resolve in the face of adversity, played with more grit, and found a way to win. Keep that up. And these are the 2 games that Foligno has played, innit? If I remember correctly the scouting report on Foligno had him topping out as a 3rd line winger, Kassian has top 6 skills if he develops as expected. A 3rd line with Foligno, Kaleta, and a good 3rd line type center could be interesting to watch. Yes please.
dudacek Posted March 13, 2012 Report Posted March 13, 2012 People need to stop with this comparison. Foligno may have more grit and determination, but the skating and offensive skills between the two aren't within a mile of each other. That being said, I see Foligno as a 3rd line player, and hope that he can improve to the point where he is a fringe scoring line winger. I was talking more about what Foligno has that Kassian was lacking, despite his concept. Zack clearly has more skill. I don't see Marcus ever being a key part offensively, but his skill set may be high enough that he can be the banger for some more highly skilled linemates. That quality has been lacking on this team for some time.
NowDoYouBelieve Posted March 13, 2012 Report Posted March 13, 2012 Roy's Carruba Collision... http://video.sabres.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=-5&navid=DL|BUF|home A half-second after making the hit, Roy seems to look down at Cole as if to say, "Wait, did I really just do that? Me??" :o
LastPommerFan Posted March 13, 2012 Report Posted March 13, 2012 And these are the 2 games that Foligno has played, innit? I'm not sure how long that will last, hopefully for about 28 more wins. I'm especially impressed with Miller's apparent leadership. With his game back on track, hopefully he can come out of his introspective shell a bit and lead the team along with Pommer. Jason does a great job of leading on the ice with calm play and providing key goals when they need it. Miller could provide that injection of motivation like last night. The, "I'm back to being the best player on this team, and I'm going to instill my will to win on everyone else". I like what I see.
BetterDays06 Posted March 13, 2012 Report Posted March 13, 2012 I can't wait to see how much motivation Ennis has now going into Wednesday's game. Hopefully last night proved to ruff that Ennis is a true center, not a winger.
CallawaySabres Posted March 13, 2012 Report Posted March 13, 2012 Good thing you didn't end up selling those tickets ;) I was thinking that the WHOLE time......
LabattBlue Posted March 13, 2012 Report Posted March 13, 2012 I think the skating may be closer than you are giving Marcus credit for. I agree that Kassian has better hands and probably (but not certainly) a better sense of spacing on offense. Still -- how sure are you that Kassian will have a better year next year than Foligno? I think there is a pretty good likelihood that Foligno plays more and puts up close to the same amount of points. I am just looking at potential. Is it possible that Foligno has a better year when both are NHL regulars? Maybe, but I would be surprised.
Guest Sloth Posted March 13, 2012 Report Posted March 13, 2012 Any of you want to have a GDT for the Washington game tonight? The Caps gotta lose that game and I wouldn't mind talking about it as it's being played. You guys up for it?
Cereal Posted March 13, 2012 Report Posted March 13, 2012 With that game winning goal Myers is tied for fifth all-time game-winning Sabres dman. Tied with Campbell and Zhitnik. Nice. Who else on that list? Also, do clinching Shootout goals count as GWG's? Because T1 definitely had at least one of those, vs. Tampa in '09.
LabattBlue Posted March 13, 2012 Report Posted March 13, 2012 Nice. Who else on that list? Also, do clinching Shootout goals count as GWG's? Because T1 definitely had at least one of those, vs. Tampa in '09. My guess would be no.
Robviously Posted March 13, 2012 Report Posted March 13, 2012 If I remember correctly the scouting report on Foligno had him topping out as a 3rd line winger, Kassian has top 6 skills if he develops as expected. A 3rd line with Foligno, Kaleta, and a good 3rd line type center could be interesting to watch. You definitely remember correctly, but those projections don't mean a whole lot once the guys turn pro. A lot of the "Kassian is better than Foligno" sentiment is just momentum from the fact that he's always been rated higher (they were drafted the same year -- Kassian in the first round, Foligno in Round 4). But Foligno's offensive awakening in the OHL came after he was drafted. He and Kassian made the same WJC team for Canada, and a lot of people (myself included) were more impressed with Foligno in that tournament. And this year we had Amerks fans more impressed by Foligno than Kassian. From what I've seen, Kassian has more raw hockey talent. But we all know that doesn't necessarily translate into results. Plus, a player's initial draft order and projections can be way off (e.g. Miller, Zetterberg, Lucic, Kesler, etc.).
papazoid Posted March 13, 2012 Report Posted March 13, 2012 went to the game last night... players who stood out.... Ennis....even without the two goals....he was playing at another level....his speed, puck possession skills, defensive effort...best player on the ice. Myers....even before his game winner....very aggressive moving up into offensive zone, puck handling, played physical. Ehrhoff.....played well both ways the whole game, exceptional bringing puck up ice. Stafford.....was playing with a chip on his shoulder.....throwing his weight around to the point where i thought he could have been called for several cheap shot penalties.......just wasn't taking crap from anyone......(normallly i dog this guy) . players who dogged it.... Vanek....was basket hanging the entire game.....played uninspired.....he is a PROBLEM !! Hodgson.....i want to like this guy....but just saw nothing. Gerbe.....i just don't get the fascination with this midget with heart....tropp & foligno played better.
TrueBlueGED Posted March 13, 2012 Report Posted March 13, 2012 I like what Foligno is doing in front of the net and the fact he wants to lay the body. He has been horrible in his own zone and clearing the puck though. 3 times tonight he whiffed, open along the boards and Montreal kept it in for a pressure. I wonder if Lindy threw him out there for that last goal as a treat for his buddy Mike? I would also think the organisation is under some pressure for sending out Kassian and leaving a void, and at the same time Hodgson is on the 4th line now with 0 points. I like Foligno's gumption. He is a long way from being where he needs to be in his overall game though at this level. Now I sound like Lindy. You'll be coaching the toughness out of him in no time! :P Seriously though, you're right, Foligno has a ways to go to be a complete player. On Foligno's upside...I don't think he has the prototypical top-6 skillset that Kassian does, but I still think he could be a top 6 guy. A lot of teams don't just toss all of their best skill onto the top 2 lines, many strive for balance--some bangers to open up space for the skill guys. Now, this doesn't mean you can have success tossing Andrew Peters on your first line. But I think Foligno may have enough skill where he could be in the top 6 and not be totally out of place, while playing an important role there. Way too early to know for certain though, and he isn't good enough defensively to be there now or next season either. In a couple years though, who knows?
LastPommerFan Posted March 13, 2012 Report Posted March 13, 2012 I like what Foligno is doing in front of the net and the fact he wants to lay the body. He has been horrible in his own zone and clearing the puck though. 3 times tonight he whiffed, open along the boards and Montreal kept it in for a pressure. I wonder if Lindy threw him out there for that last goal as a treat for his buddy Mike? I would also think the organisation is under some pressure for sending out Kassian and leaving a void, and at the same time Hodgson is on the 4th line now with 0 points. I like Foligno's gumption. He is a long way from being where he needs to be in his overall game though at this level. Now I sound like Lindy. Just curious as to who would be applying this pressure on the organization? Pegula? the Media? the GM Gossip Line? The Fans? I don't this TP is that kind of snap judgement guy, and I don't think the organization cares about what the other three are thinking about individual moves (nor should they).
LabattBlue Posted March 13, 2012 Report Posted March 13, 2012 You'll be coaching the toughness out of him in no time! :P Seriously though, you're right, Foligno has a ways to go to be a complete player. On Foligno's upside...I don't think he has the prototypical top-6 skillset that Kassian does, but I still think he could be a top 6 guy. A lot of teams don't just toss all of their best skill onto the top 2 lines, many strive for balance--some bangers to open up space for the skill guys. Now, this doesn't mean you can have success tossing Andrew Peters on your first line. But I think Foligno may have enough skill where he could be in the top 6 and not be totally out of place, while playing an important role there. Way too early to know for certain though, and he isn't good enough defensively to be there now or next season either. In a couple years though, who knows? I always felt this was the issue with Gaustad. If his offensive skills could have been slightly better, he could have been a borderline 2nd line center. Will Foligno progress to the point where he wouldn't be an offensive liability on a top 6 line...only time will tell.
Weave Posted March 13, 2012 Report Posted March 13, 2012 You definitely remember correctly, but those projections don't mean a whole lot once the guys turn pro. A lot of the "Kassian is better than Foligno" sentiment is just momentum from the fact that he's always been rated higher (they were drafted the same year -- Kassian in the first round, Foligno in Round 4). But Foligno's offensive awakening in the OHL came after he was drafted. He and Kassian made the same WJC team for Canada, and a lot of people (myself included) were more impressed with Foligno in that tournament. And this year we had Amerks fans more impressed by Foligno than Kassian. From what I've seen, Kassian has more raw hockey talent. But we all know that doesn't necessarily translate into results. Plus, a player's initial draft order and projections can be way off (e.g. Miller, Zetterberg, Lucic, Kesler, etc.). From what I have seen of Foligno and Kassian so far, Kass definitely seems to have more offensive upside. He is a very good passer already and seems to have a nose for getting the puck into dangerous places (in a good way). I haven't seen that kind of thing out of Foligno yet. My gut tells me Foligno is going to end up more of an opportunistic/garbage goal scorer whereas Kassian appears to have the talent level to make pretty plays in addition to getting the grinder goals. If Kassian doesn't end up the better offensive player I think the word "underachiever" will be thrown around. He has the ability.
BuffalOhio Posted March 13, 2012 Report Posted March 13, 2012 Gerbe.....i just don't get the fascination with this midget with heart....tropp & foligno played better. You will never catch him not skating or working his balls off. All effort, all the time.
Robviously Posted March 13, 2012 Report Posted March 13, 2012 From what I have seen of Foligno and Kassian so far, Kass definitely seems to have more offensive upside. He is a very good passer already and seems to have a nose for getting the puck into dangerous places (in a good way). I haven't seen that kind of thing out of Foligno yet. My gut tells me Foligno is going to end up more of an opportunistic/garbage goal scorer whereas Kassian appears to have the talent level to make pretty plays in addition to getting the grinder goals. If Kassian doesn't end up the better offensive player I think the word "underachiever" will be thrown around. He has the ability. We are exactly on the same page. One of Kassian's goals for Buffalo was highlight reel material. He has that ability. Unfortunately, that ability isn't everything. If Foligno can only score garbage goals by crashing the net and swatting at rebounds, I'm fine with that. How many players do we have that even do that? Foligno scored his first goal that way and would have scored again last night if Ennis' pass had made it through to him (instead, it went in off the defenseman and that's OK with me).
inkman Posted March 13, 2012 Report Posted March 13, 2012 I can't wait to see how much motivation Ennis has now going into Wednesday's game. Hopefully last night proved to ruff that Ennis is a true center, not a winger. Lindy admitted as much in his post game presser. Have you ever seem anyone brimming with confidence the way Tyler is? I am worried about his tiny little body and other teams targeting him once it's clear he's their best offensive player.
87168 Posted March 13, 2012 Report Posted March 13, 2012 Gerbe.....i just don't get the fascination with this midget with heart....tropp & foligno played better. He plays hard for an entire 60 minutes every single game. He's an asset to this team in my opinion
LaFontaineToMogilny Posted March 13, 2012 Report Posted March 13, 2012 He plays hard for an entire 60 minutes every single game. He's an asset to this team in my opinion If by 60 minutes you mean 14 minutes and 18 seconds, we agree. Gerbe works hard and is a valuable forechecker. The knock on Gerbe will forever be his size and on a team that is showing signs of being too small as it is, he really needs to bring something special to not be an obvious target for upgrading the team.
Weave Posted March 13, 2012 Report Posted March 13, 2012 If by 60 minutes you mean 14 minutes and 18 seconds, we agree. Gerbe works hard and is a valuable forechecker. The knock on Gerbe will forever be his size and on a team that is showing signs of being too small as it is, he really needs to bring something special to not be an obvious target for upgrading the team. Agreed. And full shifts of hustle shouldn't be "something special".
Eleven Posted March 13, 2012 Report Posted March 13, 2012 only 11 minutes for hodgson...thats less than he got in Vancouver - and he started on the first line tonight. only Lindy https://twitter.com/#!/BuffNewsVogl/status/179602272848846848/photo/1
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