Agree to disagree, for now.

[Kristian]

The bills have never won the Superbowl. Until they win the Superbowl, I will be pessimistic.

 

See, now you're putting words in my mouth - You can't find ONE post out of the 3000+ I have, in which I demand the Sabres win the cup before I feel satisfied with them.

 

All I ever wanted was change.

 

Tanking for the no. 1 pick, sucking for years to become better down the stretch, whatever - Just not more of this struggling for 7th or 8th every year,

 

Come on man, this isn't Germany trying to take over the world again, this is just a hockey team. What's so dangerous about forgetting what history says and enjoying the moment?

 

See that's where you're wrong,

 

I AM enoying the ride, I just don't feel optimistic they'll make the playoffs, is all.

 

You don't have to expect a cup to enjoy a playoff series either, but as a whole I think this season is a mirror of seasons past, that have not been so enjoyable except for the home stretch.

[TrueBlueGED]

No, I said history more than suggests how the season will end, hence I'm not very optimistic about it.

 

Right, but what I'm getting at is why does that prevent you from enjoying the moment? I didn't expect the Bills to be any good last year, but I still thoroughly enjoyed the first half of the year when they were. I don't expect the Sabres to go on a Cup run, but I'm still enjoying the crap out of this late season push. My personal feeling is that I don't want to let my expectations (which are very reasonably based on past experience) take the fun out of what is currently happening. History suggests a lot of things are going to go wrong in the future. I tore my quad playing rec soccer last summer, should I just not play rec soccer again, or if I do, play half-assed to try and prevent injury? Bad things happen in life, in sports...and I refuse to let those bad things take the fun out of the good things. If you feel differently that's entirely within your right to do so, I just don't understand wanting to approach sports in that fashion.

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

It's kinda like being told you have one week to live and then going and killing yourself.

 

No....it's kind of like having cancer.......and having a bunch of free-range chicken eating, hot-yoga class-taking relatives telling you that chemo is bad for you and you should try and heal yourself through natural means.

 

A few friends keep saying you better get treatment, or else you have no chance.

 

If you are a free-range chicken eating, hot-yoga class-taking person yourself.....you will feel at ease knowing many of your faithful feel the same way.

 

Meanwhile your friends that are realists have to live with the pain of you taking bad advice....and slowly dying in front of your eyes when you know full well there is a much better chance if you just took the bad medicine and flushed out the cancer....getting very weak for a short period, but coming back strong in the end.

 

Some of you don't seem to understand this. "You're misrsable....you're negative.......think positive thoughts...you're such a bummer.....don't you want our friend to be happy?"

 

You get to live with the pain of watching your friend die in the end.

 

The realist also lives with the pain of their friend dying in the end AND the pain of knowing something could have been done about it much sooner.

 

 

Some people truly want to hate instead of understanding where someone else is coming from.......and that is the truly sad thing in all of this.

[shrader]

It's kinda like being told you have one week to live and then going and killing yourself.

 

Actually that would be far better. What we're seeing is someone sulking in the corner with a woe is me attitude for that entire week.

[TrueBlueGED]

See, now you're putting words in my mouth - You can't find ONE post out of the 3000+ I have, in which I demand the Sabres win the cup before I feel satisfied with them.

 

All I ever wanted was change.

 

Tanking for the no. 1 pick, sucking for years to become better down the stretch, whatever - Just not more of this struggling for 7th or 8th every year,

 

 

 

See that's where you're wrong,

 

I AM enoying the ride, I just don't feel optimistic they'll make the playoffs, is all.

 

You don't have to expect a cup to enjoy a playoff series either, but as a whole I think this season is a mirror of seasons past, that have not been so enjoyable except for the home stretch.

 

That's why I don't allow myself to get caught up in a run such as the recent one, but make no mistake - I want nothing more than the Sabres to shove every negative word I've ever written about them right down my throat, and laugh in my face doing it.

 

 

See, statements like that make it come off as if you aren't enjoying the current run. If you are enjoying it then I'm certainly in no position to deny such a fact...but can't you see how it comes off as if you aren't?

[Kristian]

Right, but what I'm getting at is why does that prevent you from enjoying the moment? I didn't expect the Bills to be any good last year, but I still thoroughly enjoyed the first half of the year when they were. I don't expect the Sabres to go on a Cup run, but I'm still enjoying the crap out of this late season push. My personal feeling is that I don't want to let my expectations (which are very reasonably based on past experience) take the fun out of what is currently happening. History suggests a lot of things are going to go wrong in the future. I tore my quad playing rec soccer last summer, should I just not play rec soccer again, or if I do, play half-assed to try and prevent injury? Bad things happen in life, in sports...and I refuse to let those bad things take the fun out of the good things. If you feel differently that's entirely within your right to do so, I just don't understand wanting to approach sports in that fashion.

 

It doesn't.

 

All I'm saying, is that so far the current season looks a lot like seasons past, where there also was a great surge at the end, which may have been enjoyable.

 

But that doesn't mean I'm happy with a season in which they finish 9th, or get bounced in the first round, just because they played great hockey in the end.

[darksabre]

See, now you're putting words in my mouth - You can't find ONE post out of the 3000+ I have, in which I demand the Sabres win the cup before I feel satisfied with them.

 

All I ever wanted was change.

 

Tanking for the no. 1 pick, sucking for years to become better down the stretch, whatever - Just not more of this struggling for 7th or 8th every year,

 

 

 

See that's where you're wrong,

 

I AM enoying the ride, I just don't feel optimistic they'll make the playoffs, is all.

 

You don't have to expect a cup to enjoy a playoff series either, but as a whole I think this season is a mirror of seasons past, that have not been so enjoyable except for the home stretch.

 

I guess maybe I'm at the point as a fan where I don't want to be so scrupulously realistic anymore. The last few seasons I've been privy to believing I know when the Sabres do or do not have a chance. But I realized during this season that being so calculating was taking all the fun out of just being a fan. I realized I needed to loosen up when it comes to how I think as a fan.

 

Do I think our chances of making the playoffs are slim? Sure. Do I think we're not good enough to win a Cup this year? You bet.

 

But I'm not worried about it. It's more fun to just watch them play and hope for the best. I don't care if I'm right or wrong anymore about how good they are or aren't.

[Kristian]

See, statements like that make it come off as if you aren't enjoying the current run. If you are enjoying it then I'm certainly in no position to deny such a fact...but can't you see how it comes off as if you aren't?

 

To me, being caught up means thinking they turned a corner.

 

Enjoying something means taking it for what it's worth, meaning watching a wild flurry like last night, or a whoopin' of the Caps, make for good isolated feel-good moments.

 

Hope this clarifies it a little, though I sometimes talk through my backside :w00t:

[Claude_Verret]

No....it's kind of like having cancer.......and having a bunch of free-range chicken eating, hot-yoga class-taking relatives telling you that chemo is bad for you and you should try and heal yourself through natural means. A few friends keep saying you better get treatment, or else you have no chance. If you are a free-range chicken eating, hot-yoga class-taking person yourself.....you will feel at ease knowing many of your faithful feel the same way. Meanwhile your friends that are realists have to live with the pain of you taking bad advice....and slowly dying in front of your eyes when you know full well there is a much better chance if you just took the bad medicine and flushed out the cancer....getting very weak for a short period, but coming back strong in the end. Some of you don't seem to understand this. "You're misrsable....you're negative.......think positive thoughts...you're such a bummer.....don't you want our friend to be happy?" You get to live with the pain of watching your friend die in the end. The realist also lives with the pain of their friend dying in the end AND the pain of knowing something could have been done about it much sooner. Some people truly want to hate instead of understanding where someone else is coming from.......and that is the truly sad thing in all of this.

 

And sometimes the chemo kills you before the cancer does.

[darksabre]

No....it's kind of like having cancer.......and having a bunch of free-range chicken eating, hot-yoga class-taking relatives telling you that chemo is bad for you and you should try and heal yourself through natural means.

 

A few friends keep saying you better get treatment, or else you have no chance.

 

If you are a free-range chicken eating, hot-yoga class-taking person yourself.....you will feel at ease knowing many of your faithful feel the same way.

 

Meanwhile your friends that are realists have to live with the pain of you taking bad advice....and slowly dying in front of your eyes when you know full well there is a much better chance if you just took the bad medicine and flushed out the cancer....getting very weak for a short period, but coming back strong in the end.

 

Some of you don't seem to understand this. "You're misrsable....you're negative.......think positive thoughts...you're such a bummer.....don't you want our friend to be happy?"

 

You get to live with the pain of watching your friend die in the end.

 

The realist also lives with the pain of their friend dying in the end AND the pain of knowing something could have been done about it much sooner.

 

 

Some people truly want to hate instead of understanding where someone else is coming from.......and that is the truly sad thing in all of this.

 

Nobody asked you to feel bad for all of us non-realists. You obviously think we're all idiots.

[TrueBlueGED]

To me, being caught up means thinking they turned a corner.

 

Enjoying something means taking it for what it's worth, meaning watching a wild flurry like last night, or a whoopin' of the Caps, make for good isolated feel-good moments.

 

Hope this clarifies it a little, though I sometimes talk through my backside :w00t:

 

I feel we now have an understanding. Carry on ;)

[LastPommerFan]

See, now you're putting words in my mouth - You can't find ONE post out of the 3000+ I have, in which I demand the Sabres win the cup before I feel satisfied with them.

 

I wasn't talking about you. I actually feel that way about the Bills, and have felt that way since I was emotionally abused by them from the ages of 9-12.

 

No....it's kind of like having cancer.......and having a bunch of free-range chicken eating, hot-yoga class-taking relatives telling you that chemo is bad for you and you should try and heal yourself through natural means.

 

A few friends keep saying you better get treatment, or else you have no chance.

 

If you are a free-range chicken eating, hot-yoga class-taking person yourself.....you will feel at ease knowing many of your faithful feel the same way.

 

Meanwhile your friends that are realists have to live with the pain of you taking bad advice....and slowly dying in front of your eyes when you know full well there is a much better chance if you just took the bad medicine and flushed out the cancer....getting very weak for a short period, but coming back strong in the end.

 

Some of you don't seem to understand this. "You're misrsable....you're negative.......think positive thoughts...you're such a bummer.....don't you want our friend to be happy?"

 

You get to live with the pain of watching your friend die in the end.

 

The realist also lives with the pain of their friend dying in the end AND the pain of knowing something could have been done about it much sooner.

 

 

Some people truly want to hate instead of understanding where someone else is coming from.......and that is the truly sad thing in all of this.

 

Or, it's like having your unborn baby diagnosed with a terminal illness. The "experts" are all suggesting that you terminate the pregnancy and try again. But you don't buy all the negativity. Some believers are supporting you has you take the precautions needed, but stay the course. 4 months later, your son is born and completely healthy. What the doctors thought was a fatal flaw was just a missing Kidney. Not terribly uncommon, and certainly not terminal. 4 years later, you've got your happy family sitting in the 300 section taking in your sons first NHL game. In the end, the doctors are happy to have been wrong, but your even happier, to have been right.

[Kristian]

I wasn't talking about you. I actually feel that way about the Bills, and have felt that way since I was emotionally abused by them from the ages of 9-12.

 

 

LOL

 

Fair enough :doh:

[spndnchz]

No....it's kind of like having cancer.......and having a bunch of free-range chicken eating, hot-yoga class-taking relatives telling you that chemo is bad for you and you should try and heal yourself through natural means.

 

A few friends keep saying you better get treatment, or else you have no chance.

 

If you are a free-range chicken eating, hot-yoga class-taking person yourself.....you will feel at ease knowing many of your faithful feel the same way.

 

Meanwhile your friends that are realists have to live with the pain of you taking bad advice....and slowly dying in front of your eyes when you know full well there is a much better chance if you just took the bad medicine and flushed out the cancer....getting very weak for a short period, but coming back strong in the end.

 

Some of you don't seem to understand this. "You're misrsable....you're negative.......think positive thoughts...you're such a bummer.....don't you want our friend to be happy?"

 

You get to live with the pain of watching your friend die in the end.

 

The realist also lives with the pain of their friend dying in the end AND the pain of knowing something could have been done about it much sooner.

 

 

Some people truly want to hate instead of understanding where someone else is coming from.......and that is the truly sad thing in all of this.

 

I knew that post would pull you in, twist it around and spew it back out. lol

 

Look people. Feel however you want to feel. If you don't want to enjoy what may be the last few games of the year so be it. You wanna bitch about the past go ahead. Just don't expect me to want to be your first mate on THAT boat. BTW, I'm speaking for my self here. y'all can whatever.

[K-9]

No....it's kind of like having cancer.......and having a bunch of free-range chicken eating, hot-yoga class-taking relatives telling you that chemo is bad for you and you should try and heal yourself through natural means.

 

A few friends keep saying you better get treatment, or else you have no chance.

 

If you are a free-range chicken eating, hot-yoga class-taking person yourself.....you will feel at ease knowing many of your faithful feel the same way.

 

Meanwhile your friends that are realists have to live with the pain of you taking bad advice....and slowly dying in front of your eyes when you know full well there is a much better chance if you just took the bad medicine and flushed out the cancer....getting very weak for a short period, but coming back strong in the end.

 

Some of you don't seem to understand this. "You're misrsable....you're negative.......think positive thoughts...you're such a bummer.....don't you want our friend to be happy?"

 

You get to live with the pain of watching your friend die in the end.

 

The realist also lives with the pain of their friend dying in the end AND the pain of knowing something could have been done about it much sooner.

 

 

Some people truly want to hate instead of understanding where someone else is coming from.......and that is the truly sad thing in all of this.

 

There is no mystery as to where you are coming from and it's quite easy to understand. I even respect your point of view. I would hope nobody would hate anyone based on their opinions of how to run a hockey team.

 

However, you are obviously intelligent enough to realize that many of your posts, especially like the one above, manage to insult the intelligence of anyone that doesn't share your point of view and/or agree with that opinion of how to run a hockey team. And while these insults are sometimes cloaked in witty metaphors and analogies, they are insults none the less. They aren't as thinly veiled as you may believe.

 

It's not your opinion that so many have a problem with as much as it is the perception that you actually enjoy insulting people while expressing it. I guess hating is bad but insulting the intelligence of others is OK.

 

GO SABRES!!!

[darksabre]

 

 

There is no mystery as to where you are coming from and it's quite easy to understand. I even respect your point of view. I would hope nobody would hate anyone based on their opinions of how to run a hockey team.

 

However, you are obviously intelligent enough to realize that many of your posts, especially like the one above, manage to insult the intelligence of anyone that doesn't share your point of view and/or agree with that opinion of how to run a hockey team. And while these insults are sometimes cloaked in witty metaphors and analogies, they are insults none the less. They aren't as thinly veiled as you may believe.

 

It's not your opinion that so many have a problem with as much as it is the perception that you actually enjoy insulting people while expressing it. I guess hating is bad but insulting the intelligence of others is OK.

 

GO SABRES!!!

 

I couldn't have said it any better. :worthy:

[shrader]

There is no mystery as to where you are coming from and it's quite easy to understand. I even respect your point of view. I would hope nobody would hate anyone based on their opinions of how to run a hockey team.

 

However, you are obviously intelligent enough to realize that many of your posts, especially like the one above, manage to insult the intelligence of anyone that doesn't share your point of view and/or agree with that opinion of how to run a hockey team. And while these insults are sometimes cloaked in witty metaphors and analogies, they are insults none the less. They aren't as thinly veiled as you may believe.

 

It's not your opinion that so many have a problem with as much as it is the perception that you actually enjoy insulting people while expressing it. I guess hating is bad but insulting the intelligence of others is OK.

 

GO SABRES!!!

 

I suck at words but this is my mindset exactly. I'm glad I'm not the only one who picks up on the insulting tone in those posts.

[SDS]

I suck at words but this is my mindset exactly. I'm glad I'm not the only one who picks up on the insulting tone in those posts.

 

When you are called a bunch of children on a sugar high - that's more than a "tone".

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

Or, it's like having your unborn baby diagnosed with a terminal illness. The "experts" are all suggesting that you terminate the pregnancy and try again. But you don't buy all the negativity. Some believers are supporting you has you take the precautions needed, but stay the course. 4 months later, your son is born and completely healthy. What the doctors thought was a fatal flaw was just a missing Kidney. Not terribly uncommon, and certainly not terminal. 4 years later, you've got your happy family sitting in the 300 section taking in your sons first NHL game. In the end, the doctors are happy to have been wrong, but your even happier, to have been right.

 

I'll give that to you.

 

Bottom line, the doctors will be happy to be wrong. I'm sure the doctors in this case didn't have a half dozen people repeating the same meme..."You hate children. You want us to be miserable. You want death."

 

I'm just trying to show a point of view to a few very vocal people who can't seem to grasp the valid vision a few of us hold. By them repeating it doesn't make it true...just like if someone thinks I repeat "negative" aspects about the Sabres doesn't mean they need to hold that view.

[K-9]

When you are called a bunch of children on a sugar high - that's more than a "tone".

 

I'm sorry but I am NOT a child on a sugar high. I'm a "free-range chicken eating, hot-yoga class-taking relative telling you that chemo is bad for you and you should try and heal yourself through natural means."

 

GO SABRES!!!

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

I knew that post would pull you in, twist it around and spew it back out. lol

 

Look people. Feel however you want to feel. If you don't want to enjoy what may be the last few games of the year so be it. You wanna bitch about the past go ahead. Just don't expect me to want to be your first mate on THAT boat. BTW, I'm speaking for my self here. y'all can whatever.

 

That's fair Chz.

 

Last night would have been fun to watch if it was Calgary and Minnesota fighting for the last spot in the playoffs. Sports gives you moments.

 

I will not question your fandom. Anyone risking a night in the clink for this team is a true fan. I don't expect you to have my mindset. We all need balance.

[LastPommerFan]

I'll give that to you.

 

Bottom line, the doctors will be happy to be wrong. I'm sure the doctors in this case didn't have a half dozen people repeating the same meme..."You hate children. You want us to be miserable. You want death."

 

I'm just trying to show a point of view to a few very vocal people who can't seem to grasp the valid vision a few of us hold. By them repeating it doesn't make it true...just like if someone thinks I repeat "negative" aspects about the Sabres doesn't mean they need to hold that view.

 

Unrelated to the point your trying to make, but an OB/GYN reccomending an abortion is absolutely getting badgered by that same meme.

 

But to your larger point. I'm all for you going on repeating the meme against the status quo. You keep doing that, and coming up with evidence to support your claim. I'll keep claiming that the squad is close enough that, just like every other team that is close enough, if things work out the right way, this team can win it all. And I'll write about evidence that supports my claim. Throw in a little humor and some unrelated personal stuff, and we'll have something that resembles a fan message board :)

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

There is no mystery as to where you are coming from and it's quite easy to understand. I even respect your point of view. I would hope nobody would hate anyone based on their opinions of how to run a hockey team.

 

However, you are obviously intelligent enough to realize that many of your posts, especially like the one above, manage to insult the intelligence of anyone that doesn't share your point of view and/or agree with that opinion of how to run a hockey team. And while these insults are sometimes cloaked in witty metaphors and analogies, they are insults none the less. They aren't as thinly veiled as you may believe.

 

It's not your opinion that so many have a problem with as much as it is the perception that you actually enjoy insulting people while expressing it. I guess hating is bad but insulting the intelligence of others is OK.

 

GO SABRES!!!

 

It's a response to someone else's analogy.

 

Usually it is a half dozen or so of the same people who "attack". There are plenty of people who raise valid points debating my views, or who are concerned with something I say. That usually seems to play itself out respectfully.

 

Unrelated to the point your trying to make, but an OB/GYN reccomending an abortion is absolutely getting badgered by that same meme.

 

But to your larger point. I'm all for you going on repeating the meme against the status quo. You keep doing that, and coming up with evidence to support your claim. I'll keep claiming that the squad is close enough that, just like every other team that is close enough, if things work out the right way, this team can win it all. And I'll write about evidence that supports my claim. Throw in a little humor and some unrelated personal stuff, and we'll have something that resembles a fan message board :)

 

And you and I always seem to find that common ground. You understand. Unfortunately, 30% of my posts end up fending off personal attacks or accusations....which lead to increased hostility from those who identify with a "more optimistic" mindset....and it goes to hell.

 

When you are called a bunch of children on a sugar high - that's more than a "tone".

 

I have a question.......why haven't you posted in the game threads as they are going on, preaching your belief the team is going to win...or turn it around, but show up after a miracle victory to start ramming people on your own board?

 

It's easy to say Germany loses WWII.......in 1951. I'd feel a lot better if someone held my hand and told me that in 1942.

 

I'm sorry but I am NOT a child on a sugar high. I'm a "free-range chicken eating, hot-yoga class-taking relative telling you that chemo is bad for you and you should try and heal yourself through natural means."

 

GO SABRES!!!

 

Right...

 

In a response to an analogy a Moderator made saying someone like me kill myself.

 

Do you want to be fair....or do you need a bad guy to hate?

[LastPommerFan]

And you and I always seem to find that common ground. You understand. Unfortunately, 30% of my posts end up fending off personal attacks or accusations....which lead to increased hostility from those who identify with a "more optimistic" mindset....and it goes to hell.

 

You're not exactly the perfect gentlemanly diplomat. Also, the inter-web message boards exist to create conflict. That's why I'm here. I can agree with myself in private, and get breaking news on twitter. But here I can throw some meat to the wolves and see what bits are juicy, and what gets left for the flies.

 

In the end, the Sabrespace tailgate for the Stanley cup Parade will look a lot like times square on August 14, 1945.

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

Nobody asked you to feel bad for all of us non-realists. You obviously think we're all idiots.

 

No, I don't feel bad for "you idiots"......I feel bad for my friend, the patient....The Sabres Hockey Team from the City of Buffalo....that has been made to suffer and looks to do so in the future because of "positive spin support" for a bunch of poor decision makers.