darksabre Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 I guess the fact that Ted Black visits here or the Pegula girls.....or the guys at the News and GR...doesn't matter? The fact that in toronto, be it vaild or not, the GM said the fans chanting for a coaching change helped bring it about? If fans are happy with mediocrity and exciting 20 game runs to get to the point of being average.....and keep forking over their cash, well then , it doesn't matter. I think unless some major changes are made next year, there will be no "bad guy" to blame things on. No "Negativity Bubble" as Ted Black likes to put it. The lifeboats will be gone, and the survivors can cling to each other for floatation and warmth. So you think that anyone on this forum has a say in the front office practices of the Sabres because it's speculated that TB, the Pegula's and some media types read it? That got us beer shelves in the men's rooms, not Cody Hodgson. They don't give two sh*ts about what we think of the actual hockey aspect. You want the Sabres to be like Toronto? You want them to listen to the fans so much that they'll actually fire a coach if they want it? That's insane. It's an attitude like that which keeps Toronto where it is. I am grateful the Sabres front office isn't that dumb. You. Have. No. Control.
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 They don't give two sh*ts about what we think of the actual hockey aspect. As long as there are 16,000 season ticket holders and a waiting list........you are correct.
darksabre Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 As long as there are 16,000 season ticket holders and a waiting list........you are correct. Yup. And you can't change any of that.
LTS Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 I guess the fact that Ted Black visits here or the Pegula girls.....or the guys at the News and GR...doesn't matter? The fact that in toronto, be it vaild or not, the GM said the fans chanting for a coaching change helped bring it about? If fans are happy with mediocrity and exciting 20 game runs to get to the point of being average.....and keep forking over their cash, well then , it doesn't matter. I think unless some major changes are made next year, there will be no "bad guy" to blame things on. No "Negativity Bubble" as Ted Black likes to put it. The lifeboats will be gone, and the survivors can cling to each other for floatation and warmth. This would be the GM whose team just lost 11 in a row and is below the Sabres in the standings? Okay. Just because Brian Burke has won in the past does not mean he can always win or is always right. In fact, unless he wins over 50% of the time I wouldn't use him as a barometer. I might rely more upon the Red Wings who make the playoffs and are a tough competitor year after year. I think fans are happy with the possibilities of this team. You can see that they CAN be competitive. You also see that they are fragile. Right now they are heavily dependent upon a few players and those players names are not Vanek or Roy. If this past 20 game run showed anything it's that this team is centered more on Pominville, Stafford, Ennis, Ehrhoff, Myers, Leino, and now Hodgson. Vanek disappeared for this stretch and they were still good. Roy was playing better but we have a good sample size on him. I wonder what the stats say about Sabres wins when Vanek scores versus when Stafford scores (or Ennis). We see their record when Ehrhoff is out and Myers is out.. it's not good. The Sabres 7-9 defense just are not good enough to absorb those losses. One might say that the 3-4 D aren't good enough to fill the 1-2 roles as well. There's a lot of things that go into it. Also.. we don't know that major changes won't be made. :)
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 The last part is what I was getting at as well. If you think that if A is in the equation then C is unattainable there's no need to jump in on the conversation of those who believe A is a part of it. Luck is a HUGE part of the equation as well. Fans vote with their wallets and voices but a single voice, hell even three voices or eight are nothing compared to a million or more who don't think like you and aren't listening to you. You can do that, but in your variables you have to account for new management too. You can't choose to ignore a variable unless you can justify why it's irrelevant to the conversation. You have a limited sample size to make that judgment as well this further impairs your outcomes. Finally, during the season there are a lot of variables to take into account that alters your base level prediction for the season. It's nice to try and model but there are just so many variables that it's difficult to identify all of them or their correlation. BTW: It should be obvious to most people that the current operational model of the US Government is failing but each year we keep voting for Democrats/Republicans expecting something to change. There are many shortcomings in the political system and yet we keep it going year after year thinking that this year will be the big change. My point is that what you perceive as obvious isn't always so obvious. LIke I've mentioned.. you choose to ignore a new owner and his impact on the operations of the Sabres. You believe that he alone is not enough to allow Regier and Ruff to succeed. You might be right... my point has always been that 1 year is not enough to go on. It's a sample size of 1. You always claim a size of 15 but if the correlation between Pegula and Regier's ability is high then the previous 14 years where Pegula was not a variable will become highly irrelevant to the final analysis. For example, Company A has a management team that has constantly been under the direction to break even in the market even if it means short changing long term success. After years of this the board changes and accepts a new CEO who sells a long term vision and new goals. The rest of the management team doesn't change and in year 1, while the company has spent a few more millions and perhaps lost a little money they are no better off. Still, there are some signs that the company has a new foundation from which to build. Do you label the management team as failures or do you go along for the ride and accept that it might be the change in leadership that allows the company to finally flourish? Exactly. You make great points. Here's the thing though......when Golisano and Quinn were here I was a lot more active and vocal, if you can believe it. I warned everyone the team was getting ready to be sold and they were all about making money. I was told I was negative, a liar, how could I know?, that Golisano was a savior and I should be happy. 3 years later many of those same people use the excuse of Golisano and Quinn as a reason for Darcy and Lindy to stay. Now.....you can't tell me I don't know what I am talking about or should shut up about it now.....when in your own (not LTS) arguement today....you have to ADMIT I was correct about Golisano and Quinn in the past if you want to honestly tell me Darcy and Lindy need a clean slate. Everyone should just shut up then and this forum be dead air. Yup. And you can't change any of that. I've found that out. That's why it will be decompression and fizzle into the sunset. Going with LTS' point.....we changed A........but everything else that is faulty and controlled by A remains the same. He has a good point......A has $3 billion.....it is hard to fight $3 billion......let mediocrity be enjoyed and revamp hobby/free time energies and dollars. We agree.
darksabre Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 You make great points. Here's the thing though......when Golisano and Quinn were here I was a lot more active and vocal, if you can believe it. I warned everyone the team was getting ready to be sold and they were all about making money. I was told I was negative, a liar, how could I know?, that Golisano was a savior and I should be happy. 3 years later many of those same people use the excuse of Golisano and Quinn as a reason for Darcy and Lindy to stay. Now.....you can't tell me I don't know what I am talking about or should shut up about it now.....when in your own (not LTS) arguement today....you have to ADMIT I was correct about Golisano and Quinn in the past if you want to honestly tell me Darcy and Lindy need a clean slate. Everyone should just shut up then and this forum be dead air. I've found that out. That's why it will be decompression and fizzle into the sunset. Going with LTS' point.....we changed A........but everything else that is faulty and controlled by A remains the same. He has a good point......A has $3 billion.....it is hard to fight $3 billion......let mediocrity be enjoyed and revamp hobby/free time energies and dollars. We agree. Quitter.
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 Quitter. Use your powers for good. Don't miscalculate a select understanding unless you are sure it is for good. And please have a beer tonight and relax!!
darksabre Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 Use your powers for good. Don't miscalculate a select understanding unless you are sure it is for good. And please have a beer tonight and relax!! Look at you. I almost feel bad. I think you should have a beer as well. And then delete your account.
SwampD Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 So many words,.. ...makes brain hurt,.. ..I like hockey. It's fun.
nfreeman Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 Look at you. I almost feel bad. I think you should have a beer as well. And then delete your account. OK -- getting a bit testy here. No one is happy about the turn that events have taken. Lashing out isn't going to help matters.
LabattBlue Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 So many words,.. ...makes brain hurt,.. ..I like hockey. It's fun. My 2 cents... I like short posts. Not long winded ramblings.. Not that good points aren't being made. I just don't want to read novels when I come on a message board.
spndnchz Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 My 2 cents... I like short posts. Not long winded ramblings.. Not that good points aren't being made. I just don't want to read novels when I come on a message board. ok plus1 me! lol
darksabre Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 OK -- getting a bit testy here. No one is happy about the turn that events have taken. Lashing out isn't going to help matters. I'm not lashing out. I'm making a point. GoDD comes here to talk at people, not with them. He believes he is some kind of visionary hero of the Sabres fan base. We should have him painted on a 1930s anti-fascism poster; he can be Captain America and DR/LR can be Mussolini and Hitler. He is further fueled by his displeasure that his posts haven't been met with organized marches on the FNC, with pitchforks and fire to Regier's office. He desires to talk down to other posters here in a manner so veiled that it may not be obvious. But that is the manner of his words. If you cannot recognize that he lacks respect for the opinions and actions of others, then you are blind to dagger he wields. GoDD is not a fan speaking with other fans. He is a self-proclaimed messiah preaching to other fans his message of the path to hockey salvation.
I am Defecting Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 I don't mind sitting in the dunk tank at times and saying things that need to be said, but reading through the gameday thread was a travesty. Not one poster has anything to do with the results of these millionaires out on the ice. The hate just needs to stop. The Sabres don't suck because DeLuca says they suck or play well because you sleep in a Sabres Snuggie. I guess it's easier to send in those ticket invoices and sleep at night if a boogeyman like DeLuca is the bad guy. I once did an experiment on equally full glasses of water in identical glasses. I had heard about Emoto's water experiments. To one glass of water I said the foulest, dirtiest, most negative things that I could muster. To the other glass of water I said the most loving, encouraging, sweetest things that I could say to a glass of water. The experiment went on for weeks. As a result, both glasses grew algae on top, but the negatively treated glass grew more algae and sooner. I couldn't decide whether the algae growing was a good or bad result for a stagnant glass of water. I thought to myself, well, this proves nothing, and wasn't a good experiment, but it was fun to think of new ways to say "I love you," or "I hate you," to the glasses. Take from that what you will.
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 Take from that what you will. Stagnant glass of water. ;) My 2 cents... I like short posts. Not long winded ramblings.. Not that good points aren't being made. I just don't want to read novels when I come on a message board. Fair enough.
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 I'm not lashing out. I'm making a point. GoDD comes here to talk at people, not with them. He believes he is some kind of visionary hero of the Sabres fan base. We should have him painted on a 1930s anti-fascism poster; he can be Captain America and DR/LR can be Mussolini and Hitler. He is further fueled by his displeasure that his posts haven't been met with organized marches on the FNC, with pitchforks and fire to Regier's office. He desires to talk down to other posters here in a manner so veiled that it may not be obvious. But that is the manner of his words. If you cannot recognize that he lacks respect for the opinions and actions of others, then you are blind to dagger he wields. GoDD is not a fan speaking with other fans. He is a self-proclaimed messiah preaching to other fans his message of the path to hockey salvation. I don't lack respect for honest opinions. I lack respect for the Brownshirt beatdown, those with critical viewpoints take. THAT....is when I get on a roll. Again, the burden of proof is on the detractor. This place is loaded with people who have jobs connected in some way to the Sabres or who have friends connected. Honest opinions.....I will not fault and I want to hear. When the President of the team coins the term..."Negativity Bubble", well then, isn't he DEFINING an Us vs. Them attitude? It is a severe miscalculation on his part from a very bright man and a pretty straight shooter. Sadly that gets played out here by a faction, and in fact emboldens my points.
Weave Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 He desires to talk down to other posters here in a manner so veiled that it may not be obvious. But that is the manner of his words. If you cannot recognize that he lacks respect for the opinions and actions of others, then you are blind to dagger he wields. You do realize that you've just done what you are criticizing him for, right? As for all the rest, cheez folks, it's hockey. No need to turn on each other over hockey opinions fer cryin out loud.
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 personally it looks like Darcy is able to make moves however the Ruff is the major problem with this franchise right now. He seems to ruin young talent like Adam, seems to piss of Vanek yet favors his friend Roy and decides to take forwards and make them centers and yet they dont want to play center etc etc etc.
Weave Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 personally it looks like Darcy is able to make moves however the Ruff is the major problem with this franchise right now. He seems to ruin young talent like Adam, seems to piss of Vanek yet favors his friend Roy and decides to take forwards and make them centers and yet they dont want to play center etc etc etc. So, we can put you down in the "not adhering to the moratorium" crowd, yes? :P
nfreeman Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 I'm not lashing out. I'm making a point. GoDD comes here to talk at people, not with them. He believes he is some kind of visionary hero of the Sabres fan base. We should have him painted on a 1930s anti-fascism poster; he can be Captain America and DR/LR can be Mussolini and Hitler. He is further fueled by his displeasure that his posts haven't been met with organized marches on the FNC, with pitchforks and fire to Regier's office. He desires to talk down to other posters here in a manner so veiled that it may not be obvious. But that is the manner of his words. If you cannot recognize that he lacks respect for the opinions and actions of others, then you are blind to dagger he wields. GoDD is not a fan speaking with other fans. He is a self-proclaimed messiah preaching to other fans his message of the path to hockey salvation. You do realize that you've just done what you are criticizing him for, right? As for all the rest, cheez folks, it's hockey. No need to turn on each other over hockey opinions fer cryin out loud. Agree with Weave and would just add that no one here knows why anyone else here says/does what he says/does. The posts and the actions (like, say, making a commitment and then breaking it) provide plenty to respond to. Assuming you have telepathic ability to understand someone's motives and then responding to those motives is really beside the point, not to mention fundamentally inaccurate.
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 So, we can put you down in the "not adhering to the moratorium" crowd, yes? :P I figure moratorium was over and in another thread when is said season over was suggested I leave isnt the forums place to discuss stuff during offseason as well
TrueBlueGED Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 My 2 cents... I like short posts. Not long winded ramblings.. Not that good points aren't being made. I just don't want to read novels when I come on a message board. Pffffft, the higher the word count in a post the more correct it is. EVERYBODY knows that! As such, I feel I am at least a top contender for Champion of Correctness on this forum :P In all honesty though, I'm so used to writing a lot for work/school that I don't even realize how long winded some of my posts become. I'll try to be more concise ;)
qwksndmonster Posted April 3, 2012 Report Posted April 3, 2012 Darcy's ugly. Ruff ain't too pretty ether. Pffffft, the higher the word count in a post the more correct it is. EVERYBODY knows that! As such, I feel I am at least a top contender for Champion of Correctness on this forum :P In all honesty though, I'm so used to writing a lot for work/school that I don't even realize how long winded some of my posts become. I'll try to be more concise ;) Laziness helps. Give it a shot ;)
darksabre Posted April 3, 2012 Report Posted April 3, 2012 I don't lack respect for honest opinions. I lack respect for the Brownshirt beatdown, those with critical viewpoints take. THAT....is when I get on a roll. Again, the burden of proof is on the detractor. This place is loaded with people who have jobs connected in some way to the Sabres or who have friends connected. Honest opinions.....I will not fault and I want to hear. When the President of the team coins the term..."Negativity Bubble", well then, isn't he DEFINING an Us vs. Them attitude? It is a severe miscalculation on his part from a very bright man and a pretty straight shooter. Sadly that gets played out here by a faction, and in fact emboldens my points. Same old bullsh*t. You don't have a point. You just want everyone to be miserable. You do realize that you've just done what you are criticizing him for, right? As for all the rest, cheez folks, it's hockey. No need to turn on each other over hockey opinions fer cryin out loud. Not even close to the same thing. Agree with Weave and would just add that no one here knows why anyone else here says/does what he says/does. The posts and the actions (like, say, making a commitment and then breaking it) provide plenty to respond to. Assuming you have telepathic ability to understand someone's motives and then responding to those motives is really beside the point, not to mention fundamentally inaccurate. I know what he thinks because I know what he wants us to think. His posts are perfect evidence of his doctrine. I will say it again. There is no discussion from the posts of GoDD. Only the tired rhetoric of someone who wants change but doesn't want to do anything about it except impose his views by any backwards means necessary.
Weave Posted April 3, 2012 Report Posted April 3, 2012 I figure moratorium was over and in another thread when is said season over was suggested I leave isnt the forums place to discuss stuff during offseason as well I was kidding. Doesn't matter to me one way or the other. Pffffft, the higher the word count in a post the more correct it is. EVERYBODY knows that! As such, I feel I am at least a top contender for Champion of Correctness on this forum :P In all honesty though, I'm so used to writing a lot for work/school that I don't even realize how long winded some of my posts become. I'll try to be more concise ;) Seems that you and my wife have something in common. :P Same old bullsh*t. You don't have a point. You just want everyone to be miserable. Not even close to the same thing. I know what he thinks because I know what he wants us to think. His posts are perfect evidence of his doctrine. I will say it again. There is no discussion from the posts of GoDD. Only the tired rhetoric of someone who wants change but doesn't want to do anything about it except impose his views by any backwards means necessary. :rolleyes:
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