drnkirishone Posted March 4, 2012 Report Posted March 4, 2012 in order to add Parise I think you would have to dump one of vanek, pommer, roy, ennis, leino
Trademarksabre757 Posted March 4, 2012 Author Report Posted March 4, 2012 I define grit as a guy that will pay the price. He has grit. Watching him decimate the Capitals last night, I thought the same thing.
spndnchz Posted March 4, 2012 Report Posted March 4, 2012 Thanks Lindy. Actually, he would probably just healthy scratch him since that comes after benching. http://forums.sabrespace.com/topic/19564-parise/page__view__findpost__p__291887
Taro T Posted March 4, 2012 Report Posted March 4, 2012 It's going to cost a hell of a lot more to trade for Rick Nash than it would to trade for Parise's rights, and Nash's contract is 7.8 mil per year so how exactly is that better than signing Parise for roughly the same amount, if not less? And, for the record, I've brought this up in my blogs and in recent posts on here -- I would certainly give up a first round pick for Parise's rights if management feels they create the cap space necessary to sign him. I don't think "convincing" him to come to Buffalo would be a big issue. The one issue I foresee is that Stafford could weigh in on the issue to help bring Parise here, but he could very well be the $4 million chunk being moved to make room. According to Elliot Friedman on Hot Stove the Jackets were looking for 2 top 6 forwards, 2 top 30 prospects (which limits the teams that are even in the running), AND a 1st round pick. Clearly, the Jackets 'agreed' to Nash's request to be traded but had no intention of ever closing a deal this season. There's no way anyone would give up that much for him. The Sabres could offer 2 1sts, 2 2nds, a prospect (Pysyk?) and either a 1st or 2nd next year. They also could add a rostered player if necessary. That could be enough to actually get a deal, though Nash wanting out could lower what Columbus will acutally accept and the price could be less than that (though not much less).
TrueBlueGED Posted March 4, 2012 Report Posted March 4, 2012 According to Elliot Friedman on Hot Stove the Jackets were looking for 2 top 6 forwards, 2 top 30 prospects (which limits the teams that are even in the running), AND a 1st round pick. Clearly, the Jackets 'agreed' to Nash's request to be traded but had no intention of ever closing a deal this season. There's no way anyone would give up that much for him. The Sabres could offer 2 1sts, 2 2nds, a prospect (Pysyk?) and either a 1st or 2nd next year. They also could add a rostered player if necessary. That could be enough to actually get a deal, though Nash wanting out could lower what Columbus will acutally accept and the price could be less than that (though not much less). I think I read the Rangers made a late push to get him, including: Dubinsky (top-6 forward when playing for a contract...), Erixon (top-4 D prospect), Miller (top-6 wing prospect), Thomas (small boom or bust winger prospect) and a 1st. And the deal was still no. My guess is if the Rangers included Kreider (top organizational prospect) it gets done, although by reports Columbus really really really wanted McDonagh or Del Zotto. If the Sabres offered two 1sts, Sekera, Stafford/Roy, Brennan/Psysk maybe that's enough? I don't know, I'm still not keen on gutting the organization for a 28 year old winger making $7.8 million.
deluca67 Posted March 4, 2012 Report Posted March 4, 2012 I think I read the Rangers made a late push to get him, including: Dubinsky (top-6 forward when playing for a contract...), Erixon (top-4 D prospect), Miller (top-6 wing prospect), Thomas (small boom or bust winger prospect) and a 1st. And the deal was still no. My guess is if the Rangers included Kreider (top organizational prospect) it gets done, although by reports Columbus really really really wanted McDonagh or Del Zotto. If the Sabres offered two 1sts, Sekera, Stafford/Roy, Brennan/Psysk maybe that's enough? I don't know, I'm still not keen on gutting the organization for a 28 year old winger making $7.8 million. The Sabres need to get on Nash's short or it doesn't matter what the Sabres are willing to offer.
North Buffalo Posted March 4, 2012 Report Posted March 4, 2012 Parise - CoHo - Stafford Vanek - Ennis - Pommers Gerbe- Roy - Kaleta Foligno- Adam - Tropp McCormick gets dropped. I'd say we all hate roy because he is our "1st line center"....... I think if he was our 3rd line center..... he would be the best in the league. (3rd Line Center) Why would you subject Kaleta and Gerbe to dangle and turnoverRoy.
Weave Posted March 4, 2012 Report Posted March 4, 2012 If the Sabres offered two 1sts, Sekera, Stafford/Roy, Brennan/Psysk maybe that's enough? I don't know, I'm still not keen on gutting the organization for a 28 year old winger making $7.8 million. I don't see that offer as gutting the organization at all. Sekera is playing really, really well but McNabb is ready. I think our starting 6 still ends up really nice with Sekera gone and McNabb in. Roy needs to be a 3rd line center for us next year. There are replacement 3rd centers available as FA's so I don't mind losing him. If it is Staff that moves, well, Nash just slides into Staffs line spot. No big deal. And if we have to add a defensive prospect too I am OK with it. Our defense is young overall. It isn;t like we have a bunch of guys getting ready to move down the line.
Redemption City Posted March 4, 2012 Report Posted March 4, 2012 Ya know, it really is our luck to have our greatest object of disdain, be our best bargaining chip to land Parise.
North Buffalo Posted March 4, 2012 Report Posted March 4, 2012 Ya know, it really is our luck to have our greatest object of disdain, be our best bargaining chip to land Parise. Yet Roy is still on our number 1 line. What about Stapphyl another disdainful guy and Roy for Parise and a right winger prospect out of NJ?
Redemption City Posted March 4, 2012 Report Posted March 4, 2012 Hard to say without knowing more about NJ's ownership issues. They might not want any payroll in exchange.
North Buffalo Posted March 4, 2012 Report Posted March 4, 2012 Hard to say without knowing more about NJ's ownership issues. They might not want any payroll in exchange. Yeh, I forgot about that. There are lot of reports down here that the Devils are in trouble. There may be other ways to make it happen with Roy, but probably not with Stafford too.....#$%$%#$. Just wish the Sabres could dump both yesterday.
deluca67 Posted March 4, 2012 Report Posted March 4, 2012 Yeh, I forgot about that. There are lot of reports down here that the Devils are in trouble. There may be other ways to make it happen with Roy, but probably not with Stafford too.....#$%$%#$. Just wish the Sabres could dump both yesterday. New Jersey has $22 mil in Cap space next season. Even with Both their goalies as UFA's, they have enough room for Parise. Also, If you trade Roy to the Devils you are only getting Parise's rights. Trading a player like Roy for just rights is a waste of an asset, unless you are 100% sure you can sign Parise. Hitting July 1st with no Parise signed and no Roy would be a monster set back.
SwampD Posted March 4, 2012 Report Posted March 4, 2012 I think we're getting Parise. I just do. He doesn't want to go to a big market. He's friends with Stafford. Let's hope.
sabres1970 Posted March 4, 2012 Report Posted March 4, 2012 I like our chances this summer for him, but the fact that we now have two firsts and two seconds leads me to believe that no one is really unreachable for us via trade except for the big names (Crosby, Ovechkin, stamkos, obivous franchise guys). With that kind of leverage, we can go out and spend 7.5 million plus for Parise who plays wing, or we can go get a Stastny, Getzlaf type center via trade.
nfreeman Posted March 4, 2012 Report Posted March 4, 2012 New Jersey has $22 mil in Cap space next season. Even with Both their goalies as UFA's, they have enough room for Parise. Also, If you trade Roy to the Devils you are only getting Parise's rights. Trading a player like Roy for just rights is a waste of an asset, unless you are 100% sure you can sign Parise. Hitting July 1st with no Parise signed and no Roy would be a monster set back. It's not a cap space issue with NJ -- it's a cash issue. They are on the verge of bankruptcy. Unless there is a new owner between now and July 1, they most likely will not be able to give Parise a competitive contract. I totally agree on trading valuable assets for Parise's rights. Giving up Roy or a #1 for those rights would be insane. I think we're getting Parise. I just do. He doesn't want to go to a big market. He's friends with Stafford. Let's hope. What is this based on? He already plays in the biggest market in the NHL.
LGR4GM Posted March 4, 2012 Report Posted March 4, 2012 It's not a cap space issue with NJ -- it's a cash issue. They are on the verge of bankruptcy. Unless there is a new owner between now and July 1, they most likely will not be able to give Parise a competitive contract. I totally agree on trading valuable assets for Parise's rights. Giving up Roy or a #1 for those rights would be insane. What is this based on? He already plays in the biggest market in the NHL. Agree on both points. However to clear enough space to sign him, the sabres need the cap to go up by about 2-3mil and they would need to remove Roy from the team. It is possible to do at the draft but I am not sure how Darcy feels about moving a center off the team. it all depends on how Ruff and Regier evaluate Ennis or Parise's ability to play center. In all honesty I would be hesitant to put 7mil into the lw when the center is so weak. Of course Parise is a top line forward and its hard to pass up on that. If Stafford and Parise are buddies (unsure of this) and the kid wants to come to buffalo (complete conjecture) maybe he takes a slight discount to do it, say it costs 6.75 instead 7.25 or something along those lines.
radiomike Posted March 4, 2012 Report Posted March 4, 2012 I like our chances this summer for him, but the fact that we now have two firsts and two seconds leads me to believe that no one is really unreachable for us via trade except for the big names (Crosby, Ovechkin, stamkos, obivous franchise guys). With that kind of leverage, we can go out and spend 7.5 million plus for Parise who plays wing, or we can go get a Stastny, Getzlaf type center via trade. Given the last year of moves we have made, I would tend to agree. I don't see us using all these picks just to move up in the draft. We have enough picks to make a move and still have one or 2 to still draft with, so we wouldn't be sacrificing organizational depth. We'll have to get creative though, but with thew new ownership and the new Darcy I'm expecting something significant to happen.
LGR4GM Posted March 4, 2012 Report Posted March 4, 2012 Thought i would post the link to the 08 draft to show what players can be in a few years if we move up in the draft versus say trading for Parise's rights. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_NHL_Entry_Draft
Redemption City Posted March 4, 2012 Report Posted March 4, 2012 Was just looking at capgeek, and noticed only 3 teams have two wingers making more than 6mil (Parise's current salary). NJ, WAS, and CHI.
Weave Posted March 4, 2012 Report Posted March 4, 2012 I certainly wouldn't complain if the Sabres ended up with Parise in the offseason, but he isn't the type of player I am hoping the team brings in. I would like to see this team get bigger and harder to play against along the boards. Guys like Doan, Ladd, and Brown are players I'd like to see added to the top 6.
SwampD Posted March 4, 2012 Report Posted March 4, 2012 It's not a cap space issue with NJ -- it's a cash issue. They are on the verge of bankruptcy. Unless there is a new owner between now and July 1, they most likely will not be able to give Parise a competitive contract. I totally agree on trading valuable assets for Parise's rights. Giving up Roy or a #1 for those rights would be insane. What is this based on? He already plays in the biggest market in the NHL. Local talk. I've heard several different NJ fans say it with such matter-of-factness (like it was something they were going to have to overcome in order to keep him) that I didn't even question it.
nfreeman Posted March 4, 2012 Report Posted March 4, 2012 I certainly wouldn't complain if the Sabres ended up with Parise in the offseason, but he isn't the type of player I am hoping the team brings in. I would like to see this team get bigger and harder to play against along the boards. Guys like Doan, Ladd, and Brown are players I'd like to see added to the top 6. Me too, but of those 3 only Doan is a UFA. I highly doubt Winnipeg is going to trade Ladd, although if LA flames out early Brown could become available.
Weave Posted March 5, 2012 Report Posted March 5, 2012 Me too, but of those 3 only Doan is a UFA. I highly doubt Winnipeg is going to trade Ladd, although if LA flames out early Brown could become available. Yeah, I realize that sort of winger may require a trade. And a trade would help alleviate our cap problem. I wasn't necessarily keying in on those 3 (although any one of them would be close to ideal), it was more of an idea of the type of winger I want to see brought in.
Huckleberry Posted March 5, 2012 Report Posted March 5, 2012 whats needed to get parise = cap space lets just end topic right here :P
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