LabattBlue Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 I believe the Detroit Red Wings are one of the smaller teams in the league.... While they are all past their prime, Holmstrom, Franzen & Bertuzzi all say hi!
RazielSabre Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 Oh and for anyone who thinks we should have picked up Iginla or Doan I say this: Doan has said he wants to stay in Phoenix (for whatever reason) and Feaster seems to be happy with his overaged, directionless team so Iginla would be impossible to pick up. I know no one has said it so far but I'm throwing it out there preemptively.
LabattBlue Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 Question: Would you be happy with Stafford if he changes into a grit type player with less of a scoring touch? He seemed to play that role early on and do it well, but since his tried to find his scoring touch neither game has worked. At his salary and less of a scoring touch than already displayed this season...ABSOLUTELY NOT!
Sabres Fan in NS Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 I think he's saying that just the 'threat' of Kassian on the roster would be enough to make Lucic think twice about taking liberties. GO SABRES!!! No it wouldn't. Lucic does not think twice about such things.
RazielSabre Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 At his salary and less of a scoring touch than already displayed this season...ABSOLUTELY NOT! I mean the scoring touch he has displayed this season. We keep saying we need big top 6's. If he is good at getting his hands dirty and can chip 15-20 goals/40 points a season I'd take that as a 2nd line RW. As I say, as long as he plays the physical, hard game a bit like he did earlier on in the season.
shrader Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 Obviously you never saw Danny Gare play, score, or beat the crap out of anyone. What happens here is everyone is on a sugar high, and I'm one of the few who will say "You better go to bed, you have to wake up early tomorrow." Then when tomorrow comes and I have to wake these same people up.....I am the a-hole because they feel like crap and want to sleep. See, this right here is the problem. If people don't agree with you, it's because there's something wrong with them. You have to belittle anyone who doesn't see eye to eye with you. Yesterday it was the Christmas present syndrome thing you suggested and now this. As far as you're concerned, the people who like this trade can't possibly be thinking straight. And even better, now you appear to have gained a couple deciples, one of which communicates at the level of his avatar.
Sabres Fan in NS Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 Nice thread and read. Eleven, I will still make sandwiches for everyone ... :P . My opinion of DR has not really changed. I am still of the feeling that he is not the GM to lead the Sabres to the cup, but this is my take on DR since Mr. Pegula took over as owner. 1. ) Bringing in Boyes at the deadline last year ... sure it has not worked out very well, but I can't remember any other time that DR has taken on salary at the deadline and not just a rental (maybe Gilmour). 2.) Trading a draft pick for the rights to a top line pending UFA ... and signing him before he hits the market. 3.) Starting the dismantling of the core last July 1 by not re-signing TC. This was huge to me, as he is a center and the Sabres were in desperate need of centers. 4.) Signing of the concensus 2nd rated forward in last years UFA class. Especially when there was no way that the #1 was coming here. I'll admit that the jury is still out on that one, but still the move took initiative. 5.) Trading for a rock-steady defensive defenceman when the team desperately needed one. Sure that was was largely TP's doing, but still. 6.) Setting the price for Goose at a #1 draft pick, floating rumours of a pending re-signing and using the media to full advantage to leverage that notion ... priceless. Another example of the core being re-tooled. I like Goose, but he was a member of DR's beloved core and was cut loose. I would be surprised if he signs with the Sabres come July. Who gets the "A" now that the Goose is cooked ... my guess is Myers. 7.) Trading Kassian for Hodgson ... a trade from a position of weakness (toughness ... he traded one of our few tough guys) to address another glaring need ... gutsy move, IMO. My feeling on this has been expressed in another thread. So, in summary of my feelings on this move I will just say ... in 3 to 5 years when Hodgson is a top flight #1 center for the Sabres I plan on lurking every NHL teams equivalent to SabreSpace and seeing their version of LGR proposing to trade their Roy, Stafford ... for Hodgson and that being countered by their version of nfreeman calling the proposals out as BS and saying who will take our garbage for one of the top players in the league ... No offense to either LGR or nfreeman, as I like both of you.
papazoid Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 I believe the Detroit Red Wings are one of the smaller teams in the league.... using the roster from espn....i did the average weight of FORWARDS for the top four teams vs buffalo.... 201 - Vancouver 200 - Rangers 199 - Detroit 198 - Boston 193- Buffalo
LabattBlue Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 using the roster from espn....i did the average weight of FORWARDS for the top four teams vs buffalo.... 201 - Vancouver 200 - Rangers 199 - Detroit 198 - Boston 193- Buffalo This is assuming any of the listed weights are even close to accurate? ;)
LastPommerFan Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 This is assuming any of the listed weights are even close to accurate? ;) or equal weight "adjustments" ;)
Robviously Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 Another first and a throw-away player to get rid of Roy? That would have been absolutely fine with me. Me too. The Sabres need to clear cap space and remake their top 6. DR's moves yesterday were good moves but they didn't go far enough towards accomplishing that goal. Unloading Roy, Stafford and Leopold would have cleared $11MM in cap space, unloaded 2 career underachievers, opened 2 spots in the top 6, opened 2 spots in the "leadership group", sent a clear message to the team that this year's "effort" has been unacceptable, brought back more good draft picks that could have been used this summer to acquire other assets, and made room for McNabb next year. I will admit that I can see Roy delivering a good year next year in his contract year. But he still should have been sent packing yesterday. I'm on board with this too. I would've liked to clear out more of the "core" and the proposed Roy trade would have given us three 1st round picks -- one of which would almost certainly have been dealt this summer for an NHL player. Of course, it would have been tempting to use all five picks in the top 50 too and we'd have that option. As much as I liked yesterday's trades, our dysfunctional core is still intact. I'm hoping we make more trades this summer to clear guys out.
Robviously Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 So did my opinion of Darcy change? Yes, it improved. Yesterday was the first time in years (at least since Black Sunday) where I thought the Sabres might actually have a plan for winning the Stanley Cup. Even this past summer felt weird because we were just adding to a core that was pretty suspect. If we trading from the core (Gaustad) and adding players the same age as Myers and Ennis, I'm hoping that means we're building for the future and not just trying to patch things together for right now. I have the same problem nfreeman does though. Why didn't we go further in that direction? Apparently we were offered another 1st rounder for Roy. And we should have been able to get something good for Leopold (freeing up a roster spot for McNabb and Brennan). Those players won't be nearly as valuable this summer if we want to trade then. I don't see why we didn't go all in on a rebuild or at least a significant retooling yesterday. Trading Roy yesterday would mean ditching two alternate captains at once, a pretty good indication that the status quo is over. I think the team still needs more significant changes to move forward.
LabattBlue Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 As much as I liked yesterday's trades, our dysfunctional core is still intact. I'm hoping we make more trades this summer to clear guys out. If you lump Gaustad into the core from before the lockout, the weeding out process has begun... Miller Connolly Roy Stafford Vanek Gaustad Pominville Hopefully I can strike out two more names in the offseason!
K-9 Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 No it wouldn't. Lucic does not think twice about such things. Personally, I don't think Lucic even thinks once, let alone twice. But that's another story. Point is, Kassian was never going to deter Lucic from doing anything on the ice. GO SABRES!!!
Eleven Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 I think Milan Lucic is in the fans' heads more than he is in the front office's collective heads. I think this is a good thing. I don't want the Sabres planning their entire future around facing one guy!
dEnnis the Menace Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 I think Milan Lucic is in the fans' heads more than he is in the front office's collective heads. I think this is a good thing. I don't want the Sabres planning their entire future around facing one guy! Then we'd be like the Canucks :rolleyes: My opinion of Darcy is still the same though. He can pull off a few good trades, but sometimes he holds on for too long (See: TIMMAY! and Roy, et al). I liked what I saw, but if we had an opportunity to dump more, I think we should've.
Robviously Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 I think Milan Lucic is in the fans' heads more than he is in the front office's collective heads. I think this is a good thing. I don't want the Sabres planning their entire future around facing one guy! From reading this message board, you'd swear Milan Lucic is the single most dominant force in the history of hockey.
shrader Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 Trading Roy yesterday would mean ditching two alternate captains at once, a pretty good indication that the status quo is over. I think the team still needs more significant changes to move forward. After watching them get a first in the Gaustad deal, I'd think it's a safe bet that they want at least that, as well as someone who can immediately step into the roster in return for Roy. That's a hard thing to find at the deadline. Teams just don't want to move too much as they're making a push for the playoffs/cup. You're far more likely to find that return in the summer. I guess the real question is whether or not it is greedy to want that NHL ready guy in return for Roy.
Robviously Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 After watching them get a first in the Gaustad deal, I'd think it's a safe bet that they want at least that, as well as someone who can immediately step into the roster in return for Roy. That's a hard thing to find at the deadline. This goes back to my big problem with Darcy though. He does overvalue his players and he does try to "win" every trade, but I'm wondering if this prevents him from making trades that are just "good." Just because we got ridiculous value for Gaustad, that doesn't mean any similar trade (moving Roy or Leopold) had to be just as lopsided. I don't want our GM to only be concerned with "winning" trades. The trades should be made with a plan in mind for building a team that can win. Just because we couldn't find a lopsided trade for Roy like we did for Gaustad, that doesn't mean moving Roy yesterday was the wrong move.
papazoid Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 using the roster from espn....i did the average weight of FORWARDS for the top four teams vs buffalo.... 201 - Vancouver 200 - Rangers 199 - Detroit 198 - Boston 193- Buffalo not only are the sabres forwards small in stature....they play small....as evidenced by the defensive stat "hits". 290 - league leader. 104 - Kaleta ( 94th in league). 98 - Gaustad ( 111th in league). 78 - Stafford ( 182nd in league). 58 - McCormick ( 281st in league). in sabres last game vs Rangers the sabres were credited with 18 hits....the rangers 27. in last nights Rangers vs Devils the rangers were credited with 37 hits...the devils 24. sabres are SOFT !!
LastPommerFan Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 Really, Really, Really subjective stat, and not a good indicator of success: DET leaders in hits: 139, 116, 114, 101, 87
SDS Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 not only are the sabres forwards small in stature....they play small....as evidenced by the defensive stat "hits". 290 - league leader. 104 - Kaleta ( 94th in league). 98 - Gaustad ( 111th in league). 78 - Stafford ( 182nd in league). 58 - McCormick ( 281st in league). in sabres last game vs Rangers the sabres were credited with 18 hits....the rangers 27. in last nights Rangers vs Devils the rangers were credited with 37 hits...the devils 24. sabres are SOFT !! Compare the league leader, with those players, and Zack Kassian, and let us know what the "hits per minute ice time played" are.
papazoid Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 Compare the league leader, with those players, and Zack Kassian, and let us know what the "hits per minute ice time played" are. it will still say the sabres are SOFT.... it will also say by trading away Gaustad & Kassian....the sabres got SOFTER....and will stay that way. but to your point, i agree with you that an "individual" player like Kaleta who only gets 14 min/game would have a higher hits/min ratio (btw that league leader averages only 12 min/game) ....it's still the identity of the "team" that decides what types of players they have and who gets what playing time. i don't see much value in saying, "IF" kaleta played more, the team would hit more. Kaleta will never play more, because all he can do is hit people....he can't hit the broad side of a barn let alone the net with his shot. also it would have been nice if Kaleta played the body and "hit" callahan the other night in OT, instead of dropping to his knees and whiffing on the puck. btw, i like kaleta, but just keeping it real.
Gramps Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 If you lump Gaustad into the core from before the lockout, the weeding out process has begun... Miller Connolly Roy Stafford Vanek Gaustad Pominville Hopefully I can strike out two more names in the offseason! If we have any chance of landing Parise, Stafford is going nowhere.
RazielSabre Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 This team isn't a physical team. It's not why we lost most games in November, December and January though. Even the softest teams can have a bite. We lacked the attitude of a team that won't be screwed around. I've said it before but winners have a 'don't quit' attitude the Sabres lacked for most of the season, I'm not even sure the trade deadline moves addressed it.
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