SwampD Posted February 21, 2012 Report Posted February 21, 2012 I understand you have a list, and there are certainly many legitimate reasons why people would want to fire ruff. I was trying to understand how what he said on the radio this morning made the case so utterly clear for you - as it wasn't for me. So you think he is wrong by blasting him in public while he is in a slump when what Ruff SAID was that he benched him for doing something that hurts the team when he has repeatedly been warned not to do it? How should Ruff have handled it? This is absolutely correct, and why I have stayed out of things here for a while. There is no reason anymore - its a feeding frenzy of blind hate. And Blue, I would not generally cast you in with the masses, which is why I was trying to understand where you were coming from. It's not blind hate. It's well thought out hate that has been crafted for over a decade.
korab rules Posted February 21, 2012 Report Posted February 21, 2012 It's not blind hate. It's well thought out hate that has been crafted for over a decade. well thought out hate would be in the minority. Most of it is blind. One in three poster here of late is batshit crazy - if you're not sure who, its you.
Kelly the Dog Posted February 21, 2012 Report Posted February 21, 2012 I agree with nfreeman's definition that almost all of Vanek's penalties are lazy euro stick penalties, and I have no problem with Lindy benching him for it. That said, Lindy should also play Vanek premier player minutes to get him to be a premier player -- AND -- there is simply no excuse for not benching Roy or Stafford during the season for the exact same laziness. Laziness is one of the very few things any pro athlete has COMPLETE control over, and being paid the money they make, and the fans pay out to see them, and the corporations pay out to promote them (and buy ads on TV), there is zero excuse for. It was inarguable that more times than Vanek took a lazy stupid intolerable two minute penalty, Roy had a lazy stupid intolerable one minute shift.
korab rules Posted February 21, 2012 Report Posted February 21, 2012 point 1...not necessarily true point 2...very true point 3.. subjective judgement There are rules that govern conduct between men...and IMO Lindy at times has proven he does not understand them. He is a good coach...who has not won in a very long tiime. If he stays or goes , that is up to the guy who put the money up. On conduct., It is one thing to bench a player for a dumb play, ream his ass out one on one in private and another to do it in public. A difference of opinion. You either have to hold the players accountable or the coach who could not motivate them properly and give his team an effective system to play under given their skill sets. A coach who probably had a lot to do with their selection.. Flip a coin. But what do I know, i would not trade Roy and probably would never yell at a player in public and then call them out in the press. But then again I would not be using a player like him in a system like Lindys so what do i know ...Sit him if you have too..yes.. Play it noncommittal publically.a simple "thats a private matter and between Vanek and myself". would surfice... be a man and a coach. The fact that you would do it different does not mean he is wrong. Presumably you have never coached a world class professional athlete and been recognized by your peers as the coach of the year in the NHL before. Opinions look and often smell like @$$holes.
SwampD Posted February 21, 2012 Report Posted February 21, 2012 well thought out hate would be in the minority. Most of it is blind. One in three poster here of late is batshit crazy - if you're not sure who, its you. What if I am sure that it's not me? My point is that I don't disagree with the punishment (well, that's not entirely true, your leading goal scorer shouldn't be treated like a little kid), I disagree with the timing of it. You are fighting for your playoff lives (presumebly) and you choose late in a game that you absolutely need to win to teach a lesson? IMO that's just dumb.
korab rules Posted February 21, 2012 Report Posted February 21, 2012 What if I am sure that it's not me? My point is that I don't disagree with the punishment (well, that's not entirely true, your leading goal scorer shouldn't be treated like a little kid), I disagree with the timing of it. You are fighting for your playoff lives (presumably) and you choose late in a game that you absolutely need to win to teach a lesson? IMO that's just dumb. They didn't absolutely need to win THAT game. If you don't sit him down when he does it, when do you do it? Two weeks later in a game where we are down 3 goals? That will teach him! Vanek is this team's best player - you want him on the ice in the last two minutes - but you have to trust that he won't take a dumb penalty. Sitting him down at a key moment had to embarrass and anger him. After six years, I will trust Ruff to know what motivates Vanek. If it prevents a penalty at a critical point in the future it was well worth it. And if you are sure it's not you, it's you.
apuszczalowski Posted February 21, 2012 Report Posted February 21, 2012 What if I am sure that it's not me? My point is that I don't disagree with the punishment (well, that's not entirely true, your leading goal scorer shouldn't be treated like a little kid), I disagree with the timing of it. You are fighting for your playoff lives (presumebly) and you choose late in a game that you absolutely need to win to teach a lesson? IMO that's just dumb. I don't think that anyone WANTS to have to teach any of their players a lesson at that time, but then when is a good time to do it?isn't it also really bad for your player that he is taking lazy penalties like that late in a game that you need to win? What is it showing him by not punishing him this time? And some of these players in the league need to be treated like kids cause not much else works. I don't see how sitting him late in the game for it is treating him like a kid.
waldo Posted February 21, 2012 Report Posted February 21, 2012 The fact that you would do it different does not mean he is wrong. Presumably you have never coached a world class professional athlete and been recognized by your peers as the coach of the year in the NHL before. Opinions look and often smell like @$$holes. One should never presume, Korab. You only end up embarassing yourself more often than not. FYI your statement about opinions is just plain juvinile.. Now onto the substance. If your reading comprehension was just a little better than my typing you would have concluded from my statement that I do not have a problem with benching anyone. I never said he was wrong. It was his call. But you have proven on more than one occasion, that at times ,you react before you fully comprehend.
korab rules Posted February 21, 2012 Report Posted February 21, 2012 One should never presume. If your reading comprehension was just a little better than my typing you would have concluded from my statement that I do not have a problem with benching anyone. I never said he was wrong. It was his call. But you have proven on more than one occasion, that at times ,you react before you fully comprehend You deleted the post I responded to? that proud of your own work? Here's what you said: point 1...not necessarily truepoint 2...very true point 3.. subjective judgement There are rules that govern conduct between men...and IMO Lindy at times has proven he does not understand them. He is a good coach...who has not won in a very long tiime. If he stays or goes , that is up to the guy who put the money up. On conduct., It is one thing to bench a player for a dumb play, ream his ass out one on one in private and another to do it in public. A difference of opinion. You either have to hold the players accountable or the coach who could not motivate them properly and give his team an effective system to play under given their skill sets. A coach who probably had a lot to do with their selection.. Flip a coin. But what do I know, i would not trade Roy and probably would never yell at a player in public and then call them out in the press. But then again I would not be using a player like him in a system like Lindys so what do i know ...Sit him if you have too..yes.. Play it noncommittal publically.a simple "thats a private matter and between Vanek and myself". would surfice... be a man and a coach. That doesn't mean Lindy was wrong in the way he handled it? You are the 33 1/3%.
waldo Posted February 21, 2012 Report Posted February 21, 2012 You deleted the post I responded to? that proud of your own work? Here's what you said: That doesn't mean Lindy was wrong in the way he handled it? You are the 33 1/3%. I know.. i did not like it after i wrote it so i deleted it . You must have responded just before the deletet.. but the point was valid.. Here is what you said:"The fact that you would do it different does not mean he is wrong. Presumably you have never coached a world class professional athlete and been recognized by your peers as the coach of the year in the NHL before. Opinions look and often smell like @$$holes." Read my statement again korab. The objection was to his methods not the substance >I never said he was wrong in benching him... but i did imply i had a problem with the way he did it. YES ..IMO Lindy needs to work more in private. I do not care if he cuts limbs off as long as he does it the right way..I think one of us has a little ADD thing going on. I have been tested have you? One: Lindy was not wrong in benching Vanek..... Two: Lindys style of handling disciplining players is neanderthal like at times. This is opinion too.. smells like ass@..
SwampD Posted February 21, 2012 Report Posted February 21, 2012 They didn't absolutely need to win THAT game. If you don't sit him down when he does it, when do you do it? Two weeks later in a game where we are down 3 goals? That will teach him! Vanek is this team's best player - you want him on the ice in the last two minutes - but you have to trust that he won't take a dumb penalty. Sitting him down at a key moment had to embarrass and anger him. After six years, I will trust Ruff to know what motivates Vanek. If it prevents a penalty at a critical point in the future it was well worth it. And if you are sure it's not you, it's you. Sorry Korab, If you really are trying to make the playoffs, you absolutely have to win that game. And why all of a sudden does Ruff know how to motivate Vanek when he hasn't been able to in those six years? I don't trust Lindy to do it. You do, I don't. That's fine. I don't think that anyone WANTS to have to teach any of their players a lesson at that time, but then when is a good time to do it?isn't it also really bad for your player that he is taking lazy penalties like that late in a game that you need to win? What is it showing him by not punishing him this time? And some of these players in the league need to be treated like kids cause not much else works. I don't see how sitting him late in the game for it is treating him like a kid. May I remind everyone that we are in 14th place. [letting that sink in] You all defend Ruff like we are sitting atop the EC comfortably in first place. Not every decision made by Ruff is a gem, and the OP's and my doubts about this decision are completely valid. If that's batsh!t crazy then I don't want to be sane. Enjoy your coach-for-life.
korab rules Posted February 21, 2012 Report Posted February 21, 2012 I know.. i did not like it after i wrote it so i deleted it . You must have responded just before the deletet.. but the point was valid.. Read it again korab. The objection was to method not the substance > Lindy needs to work more in private. I do not care ifhe cuts limbs off as long as he does it the right way. You cast aspersions on my reading comprehension? Read my post. It's still there - I haven't deleted it. My beef wasn't with what you felt was wrong, but that you think you are qualified to say what was wrong at all. Again, opinions are like @$$holes... Edit: and you can take your condescending attitude and cram it up your opinion. You and your ilk are what make this board a much less pleasant place to be of late. Sorry Korab, If you really are trying to make the playoffs, you absolutely have to win that game. And why all of a sudden does Ruff know how to motivate Vanek when he hasn't been able to in those six years? I don't trust Lindy to do it. You do, I don't. That's fine. May I remind everyone that we are in 14th place. [letting that sink in] You all defend Ruff like we are sitting atop the EC comfortably in first place. Not every decision made by Ruff is a gem, and the OP's and my doubts about this decision are completely valid. If that's batsh!t crazy then I don't want to be sane. Enjoy your coach-for-life. We didn't win that game, but we still have a chance. I'm not defending ruff, I am debunking bullspit that has proliferated on this board in recent weeks. He's not my coach for life. There are plenty if good reasons to fire him. Cite those and I will have no qualms.
SwampD Posted February 21, 2012 Report Posted February 21, 2012 We didn't win that game, but we still have a chance. I'm not defending ruff, I am debunking bullspit that has proliferated on this board in recent weeks. He's not my coach for life. There are plenty if good reasons to fire him. Cite those and I will have no qualms. Here you go. ..!..
Weave Posted February 21, 2012 Report Posted February 21, 2012 well thought out hate would be in the minority. Most of it is blind. One in three poster here of late is batshit crazy - if you're not sure who, its you. I was born crazy. And who you calling "ilk" anyway?
Eleven Posted February 22, 2012 Report Posted February 22, 2012 That GWG ought to end the argument, but it won't.
drnkirishone Posted February 22, 2012 Report Posted February 22, 2012 I am sure somehow it is LR fault that Vanek got the goal............
Jsixspd Posted February 22, 2012 Report Posted February 22, 2012 Good question. Did Vanek's textbook goal last night result because of the benching or despite the benching? LOL
Sabres Fan in NS Posted February 22, 2012 Report Posted February 22, 2012 Good question. Did Vanek's textbook goal last night result because of the benching or despite the benching? LOL Neither. He's a goal scorer and was on the ice where he should be when he should be ... result GWG.
LastPommerFan Posted February 22, 2012 Report Posted February 22, 2012 Neither. He's a goal scorer and was on the ice where he should be when he should be ... result GWG. Was he on the ice because he's out of the coach's dog house, or because he wasn't in the penalty box. You can add 2 minutes to his TOI every game if he, and the rest of the team, play with more discipline.
sabre4life Posted February 22, 2012 Report Posted February 22, 2012 Edit: and you can take your condescending attitude and cram it up your opinion. You should practice what you preach...
korab rules Posted February 22, 2012 Report Posted February 22, 2012 You should practice what you preach... You should heed your avatar.
sabre4life Posted February 22, 2012 Report Posted February 22, 2012 You should heed your avatar. You like that, I did that just for you... As you remind me of everything which is wrong in the world. You can go back to your corner now.
waldo Posted February 22, 2012 Report Posted February 22, 2012 Good question. Did Vanek's textbook goal last night result because of the benching or despite the benching? LOL trouble maker
korab rules Posted February 22, 2012 Report Posted February 22, 2012 You like that, I did that just for you... As you remind me of everything which is wrong in the world. You can go back to your corner now. Wow - nice post! Pretty much par for the course for you. 80 posts, most of which involve attempts to aggravate other posters. Thanks for your solid history of contribution. [searchInKey]=&search_app_filters[forums][sortKey]=date&search_app_filters[forums][sortDir]=&st=0"]http://forums.sabrespace.com/index.php?app=core&module=search&do=user_activity&mid=2654&search_app=forums&userMode=content&sid=59cb8bef706d138b88dd56af5c628f83&search_app_filters[forums][searchInKey]=&search_app_filters[forums][sortKey]=date&search_app_filters[forums][sortDir]=&st=0 You are the 33 1/3% too.
sabre4life Posted February 22, 2012 Report Posted February 22, 2012 Thank you... But have you ever thought that maybe you are the problem and not everyone else... Again, you should head your own advice. I don't see you in the corner yet?
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