2012 Trade RUMOR Thread. (Keep the deadline thread for substantiated stuff).

[spndnchz]

Doubtful. Buffalo has no need for a defenseman really. Not that Schenn wouldn't be a great addition, but a.) Schenn is a blue chip prospect and would cost more than just Roy alone, and b.) Darcy's priorities are out of line if he's adding a defenseman at this point.

 

Not if you are trading Shakira or Leo in another deal.

[Eleven]

If a Luke Schenn becomes available you change your priorities.

 

Hell yes, even if that makes the Sabres a "buyer," because it lets them move other D-men for a center.

[Lanny]

Gaustad -- 2nd

Roy -- 2nd plus good but not elite prospect

You may very well be right about that being Roy's value in a trade, but if that's the case I'm not trading him.

[thesportsbuff]

If a Luke Schenn becomes available you change your priorities.

 

Well, first off, I wouldn't say Luke Schenn is "available." He's "available" if it means a Rick Nash or Dustin Brown + coming back, probably not so much a Derek Roy. Also, it's worth noting that Toronto fans have been largely disappointed with Schenn lately. He's followed a pretty similar route that Tyler Myers has here in Buffalo -- they say he's regressed since his rookie season and there are some doubts as to whether he's going to develop into the player they hoped. Just throwing that out there.

 

I suppose chz is right in that trading other defensemen could open a roster spot for Schenn in theory, but I'm fine with our defense as is (+ McNabb in for somebody). Offense for Roy.

[Claude_Verret]

You may very well be right about that being Roy's value in a trade, but if that's the case I'm not trading him.

 

Yes. You have to believe that Derek Roy's value will never be higher than it will be between now and 3 PM today.

[waldo]

susbstantiated stuff ?

[Who Else?]

I love deadline day, but I can't stand how everyone waits for a last minute deal. If you make a deal earlier you could parlay one deal into another. Say Gaustad does bring back a #1 pick, then Roy and that #1 becomes a hell of an option.

 

These teams wait around to get an extra 4th round pick at the end of the day and completely handcuff themselves especially ones against the cap. Sabres don't need to make one move they need to make several especially if they want to bring in a high priced guy. I know the longer you wait the more you may get back, but there is the risk of getting nothing done.

[nfreeman]

Totally agree on the Gaustad line of thought. A raise for him would be outrageous considering everything.

 

so 65pt a year center is worth as much plus a touch more than a 4th liner who takes faceoffs well? I wouldn't trade Roy for a 2nd and a prospect thats "good" and besides I thought we already established that picks and prospects are not worth as much as proven nhl players?

You may very well be right about that being Roy's value in a trade, but if that's the case I'm not trading him.

 

It's certainly not unreasonable to want to get appropriate value for Roy, but IMHO the team needs to turn the page on this core. If they unload Roy, Stafford and Gaustad, that's a pretty big makeover. So I would take a 2nd and a good prospect for Roy.

 

If a Luke Schenn becomes available you change your priorities.

 

Schenn isn't that good. Classic example of an overhyped Leafs player.

 

Yes. You have to believe that Derek Roy's value will never be higher than it will be between now and 3 PM today.

 

Yes. Now is the time. Same goes for Stafford, Leopold, etc.

[papazoid]

When has Paul Gaustad led the league in face-off percentage?

 

 

are folks paying attention ???....ok, technically "amongst" the league leaders...

 

last year Gaustad was 3rd overall in the league in faceoff win percentage amongst players with over 500 faceoffs (he had 1158).

the year before that 7th overall. this year he is 9th overall in the league amongst players with over 500 faceoffs (885).

 

that is a player worth keeping.

[Lanny]

Schenn isn't that good. Classic example of an overhyped Leafs player.

He's been a healthy scratch for them as recent as last week. Part of it could be lofty expectations due to where he was drafted, but he hasn't become what they expected him to.

[Who Else?]

He's been a healthy scratch for them as recent as last week. Part of it could be lofty expectations due to where he was drafted, but he hasn't become what they expected him to.

 

But how good is he at face-offs?

[Punch]

Toronto Globe & Mail hockey writer James Mirtle seems to believe Schenn is available:

 

James Mirtle ‏ @mirtle

Most likely Leafs to be traded? Schenn, Gustavsson and Grabovski. Armstrong a possibility too.

[thesportsbuff]

Toronto Globe & Mail hockey writer James Mirtle seems to believe Schenn is available:

 

James Mirtle ‏ @mirtle

Most likely Leafs to be traded? Schenn, Gustavsson and Grabovski. Armstrong a possibility too.

 

Or maybe he feels that a trade for a top line forward (ie Nash/Brown) is the most likely trade to happen, in which case he would be forced to consider it. I don't have a link because I forgot where I read it but Burke said something the other day like "I told Schenn that I couldn't guarantee he would be a Maple Leaf on Monday, but I can promise him that I haven't offered him to any team."

[CallawaySabres]

Sekera, Roy and Gaustad could bring back a pretty nice return. There is nobody playing better than Sekera right now and he would be very important to a team looking for some O from the D. As far as Gaustad, we know the interest is there from many teams. Roy is a tough one to figure out. Where are they going to find a Center for the first or second line if he is traded? Part of me says just get a 1st and a player and figure it out over the Summer......

[Who Else?]

Sekera, Roy and Gaustad could bring back a pretty nice return. There is nobody playing better than Sekera right now and he would be very important to a team looking for some O from the D. As far as Gaustad, we know the interest is there from many teams. Roy is a tough one to figure out. Where are they going to find a Center for the first or second line if he is traded? Part of me says just get a 1st and a player and figure it out over the Summer......

 

This is why Sekera needs to stay. Plus he has a nice cap number.

[Patty16]

Goose is a rental. He's a 3/4 line player who can win faceoffs but doesnt skate that well. i would be very surprised if he was flipped for a 1st rounder. that;s a very steep price to pay for a guy who doesn't have a contract next year.

Roy and sekera would bring better returns.

 

I think we may see someone moved who hasnt been discussed too much.

[thesportsbuff]

Andrew Peters just made a pretty good point on WGR about why the Sabres might want to keep Gaustad if the plan is to sign him on July 1st anyway. If you trade him and he goes on to play a pivotal role on a Stanley Cup champion, he's gonna be that much more valuable and expensive in free agency. Doesn't change my opinion on how they should handle it but a good point that I hadn't really considered previously none the less.

[spndnchz]

My guess of first 3 moves:

 

Kostitsyn

Pahlsson

Schenn

[thesportsbuff]

My guess of first 3 moves:

 

Kostitsyn

Pahlsson

Schenn

 

Sounds like Kostitsyn is on the verge of going to Nashville according to TSN.

[deluca67]

are folks paying attention ???....ok, technically "amongst" the league leaders...

 

last year Gaustad was 3rd overall in the league in faceoff win percentage amongst players with over 500 faceoffs (he had 1158).

the year before that 7th overall. this year he is 9th overall in the league amongst players with over 500 faceoffs (885).

 

that is a player worth keeping.

What have those face-offs amounted to? They are bottom third in goals and goals against.

[CallawaySabres]

My guess of first 3 moves:

 

Kostitsyn

Pahlsson

Schenn

 

wgr just said Kostitsyn to Nashville......

[papazoid]

But how good is he at face-offs?

 

not sure if your busting my onions or what.......but faceoffs in hockey are like rebounds in basketball.....they are so called "50/50" loose balls/pucks where gaining possesion is very important. Gaustad is consistently year after year a league leader. his plus/minus on the sabres is top 10. he's big, he plays physical, he fights, he wins faceoffs...he does all the dirty work. get rid of in order Roy, Boyes, Ellis, McCormick, Stafford, Gerbe, Leino, Hecht...BEFORE you get rid of Gaustad.

[Patty16]

My guess of first 3 moves:

 

Kostitsyn

Pahlsson

Schenn

Great minds think alike sez bob mckenzie

 

Unfortunately but undstandably, TSNs coverage is Canada centric and they play to their audience. Thus, a majority of their rumors, at least today, involve canadian teams.

[Who Else?]

not sure if your busting my onions or what.......but faceoffs in hockey are like rebounds in basketball.....they are so called "50/50" loose balls/pucks where gaining possesion is very important. Gaustad is consistently year after year a league leader. his plus/minus on the sabres is top 10. he's big, he plays physical, he fights, he wins faceoffs...he does all the dirty work. get rid of in order Roy, Boyes, Ellis, McCormick, Stafford, Gerbe, Leino, Hecht...BEFORE you get rid of Gaustad.

 

I'm commenting on how all of a sudden face-offs have become the most important stat on this board. I mean goals, assists, wins have become meaningless.

[papazoid]

What have those face-offs amounted to? They are bottom third in goals and goals against.

 

i guess we just value winning faceoffs and gaining possesion differently......all i know is "less" possesion does not improve your chances of more goals for or better goals against.