2012 Trade RUMOR Thread. (Keep the deadline thread for substantiated stuff).

[apuszczalowski]

Right you could do what you are suggesting. It all depends on managements feelings about Roy. I am not advocating trading anyone for an expiring UFA because this is not the time to make those types of trades. If Roy is worth a pick or two and a good prospect than that may be worth doing. As far as keeping players I think that has been played out. Roy, Hecht, Goose, Pommers, Vanek, Stafford and Miller have never won a playoff series on their own so maybe we need to move some of them in an attempt to bring in pieces that can accomplish that. Other than Parise I am not sure who we could bring in through UFA that would help.

Roy for only an expiring UFA? Yeah, I agree, he is worth more then just capspace this offseason in return. But in any deal for Roy or Stafford, your going to have to take back some salary, so it might as well be an expiring contract that if they continue to not work out, they are off the books and you gain cap space. Staffords contract might be worth just getting rid of the cap hit, but a deal with Roy better include more.

 

As for Boyes, its basically a take what you can get, the guys in Rochester can fill the void left on the roster and his production

[BetterDays06]

 

 

Edit: Boyes not at practice today.

interesting... Pretty sure he didn't get injured last game, plus he doesn't need a maintence day

[apuszczalowski]

Edit: Boyes not at practice today.

i'm thinking he was there but was in game mode the whole time (i.e. invisible) so no one noticed

[Eleven]

Pomminstein is on the kings radar and it would take at least a 1st and a prospect the rumors say

 

It had better be a lot more than that for Pominville.

[Weave]

BTW I said this is best time to trade our crap because prices are higher.

 

Not to pick on you, lots of people are stating things like this.......

 

How do any of us even pretend to know if trade values are higher at the deadline than they are 2 weeks before, at the draft, or after free agency? There is absolutely nothing credible that any of us outsiders have to indicate to us that the market is any different in terms of value at the trade deadline. Are there more deals made? Sure. But there is nothing out there to suggest that values exchanged are any different than they'd be at any other time.

 

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[JJFIVEOH]

You honestly do not see my point of view. The concept is to get high to mid first round picks and prospects from teams that are willing to mortgage their future for a run now. We would not be trading one 70pt center for another. BTW I said this is best time to trade our crap because prices are higher. Trades still occur in the offseason but they tend to require less than if the trade happened at the deadline. There is no further point in continuing this.

 

 

 

 

Yes, I do see your point. Get more for your return before the deadline. I get it. But you obviously fail to see mine. Why trade a 70pt/season forward with a relatively cheap contract when you have many others who are a burden on our cap who aren't doing squat. But I do agree, there is no point in continuing because I could come on here and say zebras have stripes and you'd tell me I'm wrong. Funny, somebody else mentioned the exact same thing I was getting at previously and you happen to agree with them. You condescension is beyond aggravating.

[Sabre Dance]

To paraphrase a definition of worrying that I read a while back, listening to trade rumors is like paying interest on a loan that you never took out. Way too many possibilities, and very low likelihood that any will pan out. Might as well sit back, grab a brew and watch some hockey. Monday night is not that far off and then we'll know.

[spndnchz]

Ruff says Boyes got hurt last game. Prolly not ready for tomorrow. Regehr back. McCormick not game shape yet. May play Grags up front.

[Bmwolf21]

Carter to Montreal is also making the rounds.

 

As is Carter to LA if they can't land Nash.

[LGR4GM]

Yes, I do see your point. Get more for your return before the deadline. I get it. But you obviously fail to see mine. Why trade a 70pt/season forward with a relatively cheap contract when you have many others who are a burden on our cap who aren't doing squat. But I do agree, there is no point in continuing because I could come on here and say zebras have stripes and you'd tell me I'm wrong. Funny, somebody else mentioned the exact same thing I was getting at previously and you happen to agree with them. You condescension is beyond aggravating.

Because Roy has become a burden to a team that is not physically capable of winning a playoff series. I would also like a list of players that are a "burden" to the cap. Most players are at or below Roy's 4mil hit so moving him would help. Not to mention this team needs a partial rebuild. Technically we already started that by retooling our defense but now its time for a forward makeover. If you can move Roy and get picks and prospects you eliminate 4 mil to the cap and you can draft/develop a center to be his replacement who plays a more motivated and physical game. The other players who are "doing squat" are either UFA's and if they can be moved should, or they are players like Stafford and Leino who probably can not be moved due to their contracts.

[darksabre]

Ruff says Boyes got hurt last game. Prolly not ready for tomorrow. Regehr back. McCormick not game shape yet. May play Grags up front.

 

And Sabres nation breaths a sigh of disappointment.

[Derrico]

And Sabres nation breaths a sigh of disappointment.

 

:clapping:

[korab rules]

And Sabres nation breaths a sigh of disappointment.

All except TSC.

[JJFIVEOH]

Because Roy has become a burden to a team that is not physically capable of winning a playoff series. I would also like a list of players that are a "burden" to the cap. Most players are at or below Roy's 4mil hit so moving him would help. Not to mention this team needs a partial rebuild. Technically we already started that by retooling our defense but now its time for a forward makeover. If you can move Roy and get picks and prospects you eliminate 4 mil to the cap and you can draft/develop a center to be his replacement who plays a more motivated and physical game. The other players who are "doing squat" are either UFA's and if they can be moved should, or they are players like Stafford and Leino who probably can not be moved due to their contracts.

 

So you say Roy is a burden, then why would somebody else want him? If we only need a partial rebuild, then we still need something for next year. If/when we lose Hecht and Gaustad how do you plan to magically come up with 3 centers for next year? Your solution to taking care of our biggest necessity is losing more of them? If this team isn't going to do a complete overhaul how is getting a prospect or draft pick going to help them in the next two years?

[LGR4GM]

So you say Roy is a burden, then why would somebody else want him? If we only need a partial rebuild, then we still need something for next year. If/when we lose Hecht and Gaustad how do you plan to magically come up with 3 centers for next year? Your solution to taking care of our biggest necessity is losing more of them? If this team isn't going to do a complete overhaul how is getting a prospect or draft pick going to help them in the next two years?

1) He is a burden to a team that is not physically strong enough or gritty enough but on a team like Pittsburg or Boston he would do very well. Bigger players can open up room to allow Roy to do more.

 

2) We don't need something for next year per say because I do not believe with all this team needs we could win the cup next year. I do believe we will make the playoffs next year (4-6th place).

 

3) Next year we have some interesting things that can happen. The first being that Ennis takes over as 2nd line center, a position he looks to do well in. Luke Adam could fill in on the 3/4 line if Goose is indeed no longer on the team. That leaves 2 spots. Now depending on a couple of prospects in the system and/or our draft this summer we could fill 1 of those slots as well. There are a number of older UFA centers such as Arnott and Koivu who could conceivably fill in as a center. If Roy is traded you are going to make a center prospect part of that deal and that may pan out. You see there are a number of outcomes that are beneficial to this team.

 

4) The chances of this team winning the cup in the next 2 years is slight but if you act now, you can win within the next 5 (counting this year). By drafting and acquiring prospects you can restock a completely depleted center pool within the Sabres organization.

 

Here is how I think this could play out: The sabres sell what they can this year and acquire some picks and prospects that can help them. Now if they manage to draft in the top 5 it could be either immediately or within 1 year that that player becomes a valid NHL option (there are risks involved). So if this team can draft the way I believe they can, in 2 years you will have a #1center that you drafted who will be green but able to hold their own in the NHL.

 

Now you will also have Tyler Ennis who will presumably have gained another year of NHL center experience. I believe that Daniel Catenacci will be NHL ready and can fill time as your 3rd line center, he is aggressive and skilled so it could work great. Now depending on a lot of things your 4th line can have goose to adam to whomever as its anchor because those types of players are available during FA if need be. On top of that you should have another good center prospect in your system due to the Roy trade.

 

In summary in 2013-2014 season you could conceivably have:

1st line: Grigorenko/Galchenyuk/Faksa

2nd line: Tyler Ennis

3rd line: Daniel Catenacci

4th line: Goose/Adam/Unknown UFA

 

If I did this right that will be the last years of Millers, Pommers and Vanek's current deals and Roy would not be on the team then either way. I do believe that selling Roy would decrease our chances of making the playoffs this season, which is precisely what we should be doing in the hopes we can draft a #1 center because they are not traded often.

[Weave]

Ah how they change as they grow. It seems like just yesterday when I our young liger was comparing Roy to Getzlaf. :P

 

Just messin with ya kid. I've got no love for Roy myself.

[Calvin]

As much as I like what I've seen of Catenacci, I really doubt he'll step right into this team without playing at the Amerks first.

[JJFIVEOH]

1) He is a burden to a team that is not physically strong enough or gritty enough but on a team like Pittsburg or Boston he would do very well. Bigger players can open up room to allow Roy to do more.

 

2) We don't need something for next year per say because I do not believe with all this team needs we could win the cup next year. I do believe we will make the playoffs next year (4-6th place).

 

3) Next year we have some interesting things that can happen. The first being that Ennis takes over as 2nd line center, a position he looks to do well in. Luke Adam could fill in on the 3/4 line if Goose is indeed no longer on the team. That leaves 2 spots. Now depending on a couple of prospects in the system and/or our draft this summer we could fill 1 of those slots as well. There are a number of older UFA centers such as Arnott and Koivu who could conceivably fill in as a center. If Roy is traded you are going to make a center prospect part of that deal and that may pan out. You see there are a number of outcomes that are beneficial to this team.

 

4) The chances of this team winning the cup in the next 2 years is slight but if you act now, you can win within the next 5 (counting this year). By drafting and acquiring prospects you can restock a completely depleted center pool within the Sabres organization.

 

Here is how I think this could play out: The sabres sell what they can this year and acquire some picks and prospects that can help them. Now if they manage to draft in the top 5 it could be either immediately or within 1 year that that player becomes a valid NHL option (there are risks involved). So if this team can draft the way I believe they can, in 2 years you will have a #1center that you drafted who will be green but able to hold their own in the NHL.

 

Now you will also have Tyler Ennis who will presumably have gained another year of NHL center experience. I believe that Daniel Catenacci will be NHL ready and can fill time as your 3rd line center, he is aggressive and skilled so it could work great. Now depending on a lot of things your 4th line can have goose to adam to whomever as its anchor because those types of players are available during FA if need be. On top of that you should have another good center prospect in your system due to the Roy trade.

 

In summary in 2013-2014 season you could conceivably have:

1st line: Grigorenko/Galchenyuk/Faksa

2nd line: Tyler Ennis

3rd line: Daniel Catenacci

4th line: Goose/Adam/Unknown UFA

 

If I did this right that will be the last years of Millers, Pommers and Vanek's current deals and Roy would not be on the team then either way. I do believe that selling Roy would decrease our chances of making the playoffs this season, which is precisely what we should be doing in the hopes we can draft a #1 center because they are not traded often.

 

Thanks. I can respect your views on this. I just don't think it's the way to go. Not disagreeing with you, I just think differently. With Adam, Ennis, an undetermined draft pick or prospect and an aging vet you're left with a guy who looked decent this year but obviously needs some work, a guy who has played two weeks at the position which shouldn't give him a permanent spot yet, a risk and a washed up vet. I see where you're going with this, you want a bigger overhaul than I do so it makes sense. Me personally, I don't think we need as much of an overhaul. There is too much here to completely rebuild and by completely rebuilding this team would be wasting the talent we would keep because a complete rebuild would mean (most likely) no playoffs for a couple of years. In that case why not just unload everybody with some demand. This team is not a Cup contender, but I think they are closer than we think and better than their standings show. If a team wanted to deal a young superstar center for Roy and a 1st rounder, I would go for that because it would help us now and in the future and take care of part of our center problems. Then it would be easier to fill the #2, #3 and #4 spots with people like you mentioned. IMO we just have too much right now to give up and start over. Yes, the roster needs some help and there are holes to fill. But this team is loaded with fairly young players and we have a bunch of prospects that are ready or real close. The Sabres can afford to ditch draft picks for immediate help and work on find cap room elsewhere.

[LGR4GM]

Thanks. I can respect your views on this. I just don't think it's the way to go. Not disagreeing with you, I just think differently. With Adam, Ennis, an undetermined draft pick or prospect and an aging vet you're left with a guy who looked decent this year but obviously needs some work, a guy who has played two weeks at the position which shouldn't give him a permanent spot yet, a risk and a washed up vet. I see where you're going with this, you want a bigger overhaul than I do so it makes sense. Me personally, I don't think we need as much of an overhaul. There is too much here to completely rebuild and by completely rebuilding this team would be wasting the talent we would keep because a complete rebuild would mean (most likely) no playoffs for a couple of years. In that case why not just unload everybody with some demand. This team is not a Cup contender, but I think they are closer than we think and better than their standings show. If a team wanted to deal a young superstar center for Roy and a 1st rounder, I would go for that because it would help us now and in the future and take care of part of our center problems. Then it would be easier to fill the #2, #3 and #4 spots with people like you mentioned. IMO we just have too much right now to give up and start over. Yes, the roster needs some help and there are holes to fill. But this team is loaded with fairly young players and we have a bunch of prospects that are ready or real close. The Sabres can afford to ditch draft picks for immediate help and work on find cap room elsewhere.

IF, you could trade Roy and a 2nd (i'd be hesitant to give up this years first) to Colorado for Duchene than that I would be all for, but thats a long shot and about the only potential superstar young center that could be moved. Of course Colorado could use Defense and some other things so what if you moved Roy and a defensemen like Sekera or McNabb or even Leopold plus a pick (2nd) to Colorado for Duchene? that might actually work... but Darcy does not have the balls to pull it off.

[JJFIVEOH]

 

IF, you could trade Roy and a 2nd (i'd be hesitant to give up this years first) to Colorado for Duchene than that I would be all for, but thats a long shot and about the only potential superstar young center that could be moved. Of course Colorado could use Defense and some other things so what if you moved Roy and a defensemen like Sekera or McNabb or even Leopold plus a pick (2nd) to Colorado for Duchene? that might actually work... but Darcy does not have the balls to pull it off.

 

 

I agree 100% with your last statement.

 

 

[LabattBlue]

Of course Colorado could use Defense and some other things so what if you moved Roy and a defensemen like Sekera or McNabb or even Leopold plus a pick (2nd) to Colorado for Duchene? that might actually work... but Darcy does not have the balls to pull it off.

A rising 21 year old star in the NHL for Roy + a young defensemen + a 2nd round pick? Your wacky proposals never end, do they? :doh:

[spndnchz]

IF, you could trade Roy and a 2nd (i'd be hesitant to give up this years first) to Colorado for Duchene than that I would be all for, but thats a long shot and about the only potential superstar young center that could be moved. Of course Colorado could use Defense and some other things so what if you moved Roy and a defensemen like Sekera or McNabb or even Leopold plus a pick (2nd) to Colorado for Duchene? that might actually work... but Darcy does not have the balls to pull it off.

 

here's the risk: If you trade Roy and McNabb and a 2nd, at the end of this year you have.. no top center signed, no McNabb and no 2nd round pick

[LGR4GM]

here's the risk: If you trade Roy and McNabb and a 2nd, at the end of this year you have.. no top center signed, no McNabb and no 2nd round pick

I was just following the overpayment principle: We would still have a 2nd round pick either way because we have 2 (Calgary's). I would not start with McNabb but if Roy and a pick would do it than awesome. Maybe Colorado is afraid of Duchene's pending RFA status and will move him but I think with the cap room you get from moving roy you could sign him. Ideally the trade would be Roy and Sekera/Leopold for Duchene but I fear that will receive more ridicule than the overpayment i just tossed out.

[korab rules]

I agree 100% with your last statement.

It wouldn't take balls, it would take roofies.

[LGR4GM]

Well now I have the inkling to do something I have avoided for the last few months... come up with crazy trade scenarios!

 

Stafford and either a defense prospect like Brennen or a later pick (5th?) to LA for Dustin Brown (3.175mil for 3 more years). Brown's physical play could go very well with Ennis as his pivot. Stafford and Brown are close in age/cost/ and points. This could be the type of deal that equates to a "change of scenery" . On a side note, Brown is from Ithaca so he might love the idea.

 

Roy and what we have discussed above (2nd rounder or def prospect/current player) to Colorado for Duchene... Colorado, it gives them a decent #2 center for next year and some veteran experience (no jokes please). Also after losing quincey they Avs may be looking for some sort of puck moving replacement (Sekera, Leopold, Brennen) and I really agree that tossing in McNabb is too much. The Sabres get a young center who could do great things and is IMO an improvement over Roy in the long run.

 

ok, let the criticism roll!