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After tonight's game I wouldn't be surprised if they Jackets simply walked away. "Nothing to see here, move along."

 

Why? Sabres have just the type of players that C- Bus is used to. Gracious losers.

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Why? Sabres have just the type of players that C- Bus is used to. Gracious losers.

 

Difference is that they actually have a hockey guy in Patrick helping run the show now.

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Maybe they were scouting Philly. They have lots of winners on their roster.

 

True, but Philly is probably feeling pretty good about their team right now. I don't see them needing to move anyone unless they're players for a big name piece on C-bus.

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True, but Philly is probably feeling pretty good about their team right now. I don't see them needing to move anyone unless they're players for a big name piece on C-bus.

Yeah, one Nash away from a Cup, maybe....and that's the kind of buyer Columbus would be looking for right?
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Yeah, one Nash away from a Cup, maybe....and that's the kind of buyer Columbus would be looking for right?

 

True, but I think Philly likes the young guys they have on that roster. I doubt they'll throw away their future talent just for Nash, since I think building for the future is Columbus' goal.

 

Now, giving up a guy like Briere to get him...that I could see.

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Kind of agree with D4rk here, I just don't see a team like NY or Philly giving away the amount Columbus wants in order to get Nash. They'd have to inquire with middle-of-the-pack teams looking for that one guy to put them in true contention, I'd think.

 

They're looking for too much.

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You think Philly would get rid of Briere to get Nash right now?????? Why on earth would they do that? They have a chance to make a deep run as they are right now and a Nash could put them right over the top, but losing Briere to get him would basically negate Nash's addition, that makes no sense whatsoever.

 

I mean, Philly would wanna do what it took to win NOW. Right?

 

Maybe I'm missing something here.

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No Freeman I was just making an observation about players coming to Buffalo and their games falling off. I see 2 examples from last offseason, Leino and Ehrhoff. You can not honestly say eithers games haven't fallen off. Maybe thats a product of the trainwreck of a season in general. I don't know. I suppose you could say Boyes already was a bum when he got here. Of course its worth pursuing elite level talent. I'm just not sure Darcy is capable. I guess we'll see. With the 'elite' talent going back the other way,possibly 3 players or more for someone like Nash, do you not see his production falling somewhat with the plundered lineup he'd have to play with?

has Leinos game really fallen off? Besides Last seasons (which was a career year for him), Statistically this is his next best season of his career. He has only had one good year, and put up big numbers in the 09/10 playoffs. For all anyone knows, last season may have been a fluke year and be a result of the players around him.

 

As for Erhoff, this would be his 4th best season of his career, but his worst in the last 3 statistically. Seeing comments from Canucks fans lasts eason when he was to become a FA, most said they would not break the bank to re-sign this guy. He is a good signing for about $3 mil, but they wouldn't want him back for more then that. He got lucky that there weren't many better defencemen available this offseason

 

http://hockeyanalysi...t-is-rick-nash/

 

Interesting

 

 

"So, to summarize, yes Nash is a good offensive player who may put up better numbers playing with better offensive players but he is probably not an elite offensive forward. Also, he isn’t a great defensive forward so offense really is what you get him for. If I were Columbus I would be willing to trade him if I can get a quality NHL ready player capable of playing in their top 6 forwards, a top tier prospect and a first round pick. If I were other teams, I would be very wary of over paying because he is not an elite player but he is paid like one ($7.8M cap hit for 6 more seasons)."

From TSN today, an interesting fact about Nash

 

But let's put into perspective what Nash might bring to the Blue Jackets in return. Washington Capitals superstar Alex Ovechkin is the only player in the NHL with more goals in fewer seasons played than Nash (Nash scoring 277 through eight seasons, while Ovechkin has 324 goals through six seasons).

The closest player to match Nash's scoring totals with fewer seasons played is Carolina Hurricanes captain Eric Staal - with 242 goals in seven seasons.

And the closest player to scoring the same amount of goals to Nash in the same number of seasons is Detroit Red Wings forward Henrik Zetterberg. Through eight seasons, the 31-year-old has 242 goals.

TrueBlueGED Hall of Famer

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I can't imagine Philly would trade for Nash, it would be completely counter-intuitive. They already have an elite offense, with several rookies playing key roles. They're only going to get better. But their defense and goaltending is a disaster, and until they fix that, they're just not built for a deep playoff run. They have the assets to get Nash, I'd just be really surprised if they did it.

 

has Leinos game really fallen off? Besides Last seasons (which was a career year for him), Statistically this is his next best season of his career. He has only had one good year, and put up big numbers in the 09/10 playoffs. For all anyone knows, last season may have been a fluke year and be a result of the players around him.

 

As for Erhoff, this would be his 4th best season of his career, but his worst in the last 3 statistically. Seeing comments from Canucks fans lasts eason when he was to become a FA, most said they would not break the bank to re-sign this guy. He is a good signing for about $3 mil, but they wouldn't want him back for more then that. He got lucky that there weren't many better defencemen available this offseason

 

From TSN today, an interesting fact about Nash

 

But let's put into perspective what Nash might bring to the Blue Jackets in return. Washington Capitals superstar Alex Ovechkin is the only player in the NHL with more goals in fewer seasons played than Nash (Nash scoring 277 through eight seasons, while Ovechkin has 324 goals through six seasons).

The closest player to match Nash's scoring totals with fewer seasons played is Carolina Hurricanes captain Eric Staal - with 242 goals in seven seasons.

And the closest player to scoring the same amount of goals to Nash in the same number of seasons is Detroit Red Wings forward Henrik Zetterberg. Through eight seasons, the 31-year-old has 242 goals.

 

I have zero problems with the Ehrhoff contract. I know Canucks fans may not have thought he was all that, but he was the top defenseman on a team that barely lost the Cup to Boston. I'll take that for $4 million.

 

As to Nash, I will counter with a single statistic which should summarize why I don't want him: The only winger in NHL history to score 70+ points each season from age 28-33 was Gordie Howe. Since Nash is locked up until he's 34 it's a fair comparison, and I don't think asking for 70 points is unreasonable given his $7.8 million contract. I know most don't think of 28 as old, but the truth is 28 year old winger is at the end of his prime.

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You think Philly would get rid of Briere to get Nash right now?????? Why on earth would they do that? They have a chance to make a deep run as they are right now and a Nash could put them right over the top, but losing Briere to get him would basically negate Nash's addition, that makes no sense whatsoever.

 

I mean, Philly would wanna do what it took to win NOW. Right?

 

Maybe I'm missing something here.

 

Briere isn't the crucial piece of player in Philly that you're making him out to be.

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Briere isn't the crucial piece of player in Philly that you're making him out to be.

 

Given the way he has performed in the playoffs in his career, I don't think I would be too eager to unload him if I were the Flyers.

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Given the way he has performed in the playoffs in his career, I don't think I would be too eager to unload him if I were the Flyers.

Thank you, that's what I'm saying. Only I think they'd be CRAZY to get rid of that kind of playoff magician. Crazy.
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Okay. Now both GM's are in the owners box talking to each other.

Yea but what is the end game? Philly and Columbus already had a major trade and columbus really only has Nash to send the other way... this is intriguing.

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If the Flyers are able to acquire a player like Nash, that would be sick.

The Flyers have made moves ths past decade that have floored the league with their ballsiness. I love that about them.
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I guess I just don't understand why the Flyers would pay the ridiculous price to get Nash, since they already have the top offense in the entire NHL. If it only costs van Riemsdyk, a pick, and another prospect then sure I'd do that. But there's no way I'd give up Schenn, Couturier or Read. It doesn't matter how many goals they score, they're nothing more than pretenders until their D/goaltending situation is straightened out.

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I guess I just don't understand why the Flyers would pay the ridiculous price to get Nash, since they already have the top offense in the entire NHL. If it only costs van Riemsdyk, a pick, and another prospect then sure I'd do that. But there's no way I'd give up Schenn, Couturier or Read. It doesn't matter how many goals they score, they're nothing more than pretenders until their D/goaltending situation is straightened out.

If it means stacking THIS year's team so much that their chances to win the Cup THIS year go up, Philly will do just what you said they shouldn't.
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I guess I just don't understand why the Flyers would pay the ridiculous price to get Nash, since they already have the top offense in the entire NHL. If it only costs van Riemsdyk, a pick, and another prospect then sure I'd do that. But there's no way I'd give up Schenn, Couturier or Read. It doesn't matter how many goals they score, they're nothing more than pretenders until their D/goaltending situation is straightened out.

You don't pass on a player of that caliber.

 

If it means stacking THIS year's team so much that their chances to win the Cup THIS year go up, Philly will do just what you said they shouldn't.

Nash is only 27. He helps now and and in the future.

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You don't pass on a player of that caliber.

 

Nash is only 27. He helps now and and in the future.

How weird is it that in Buffalo, where we have NEVER seen a championship in basically ANY professional sport (AFL aside back in the dark ages when there were three teams), the fans don't get behind the kind of bold (some might say unheard of), moves made by those guys in Philly, seeing that they are merely trying to win NOW, every time they make those moves, and instead embrace this whole, "We need to make sure we have a solid competitor for years to come" pussyfoot rhetoric.

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