TheChimp Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 Right now we have a surplus of prospects and we are towing a thin line with trades, we will have to give up somebody, take a chance on dealing one of the young guns in a trade. For me right now, its kassian I unload, I keep foligno, mcnabb, etc.. sure he hasn't had the tenure you'd like to see to truly assess his game. But the old motto sell high still rings true and he's got a pretty high trade value right now I suppose if there was a proven #1 center being dangled in front of us that we were trading for...but even then I'd wanna see if the other GM wanted some picks instead. And if it takes adding a Kassian just to unload a Roy or a Stafford or whatever your fancy, then I say no-go.
themaze2332 Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 Probably will have to add a Kassian into the trade mix to try to get rid of a Stafford, Boyes or Roy. I know Boyes hasn't done much, but I would keep him over Roy and Stafford at this point. At least he cares and shows energy as much as he can.
Who Else? Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 The way roy and stafford give the puck up along the boards is just unbelievable. Why just those two guys?
themaze2332 Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 Why just those two guys? Because they give nothing else in return.
Wyldnwoody44 Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 Why when I quote your post do I get the added following that doesn't show in your post? I honestly don't really know.... I guess you were editing your post at the same time I was quoting it.
jad1 Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 I know Boyes hasn't done much, but I would keep him over Roy and Stafford at this point. At least he cares and shows energy as much as he can. Right now, I'd rather see Foligno or Kassian in Boyes roster spot. Aside from shootouts, the guy adds nothing. Dangle Boyes in a fire-sale trade, and if you get no takers, waive him and bury his inflated salary in Rochester. With Roy, Stafford, and Leino being consistent no-shows game after game, the Sabres have no room for a veteren, bottom six forward on the roster. Bring up the young guys and let them audition for a roster spot.
Wyldnwoody44 Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 I suppose if there was a proven #1 center being dangled in front of us that we were trading for...but even then I'd wanna see if the other GM wanted some picks instead. And if it takes adding a Kassian just to unload a Roy or a Stafford or whatever your fancy, then I say no-go. I would hope that a star type player would be coming back if we had kassian in a package. I believe regier is stubborn enough to hold out until something reasonable.is coming back.....Maybe a lil wishful thinking on my part
Who Else? Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 Because they give nothing else in return. Your picking on guys because you don't like them. How was Leino, Boyes, Gerbe, Ennis along the boards tonight. Stafford is playing his best hockey all year, he is actually forechecking and making body contact. Roy is all over the ice.
CallawaySabres Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 I had a bad felling about tonight but really thought they were going to tie it up. It would have been preeeeeetyyyyyy nice to only be back 6 with a game in hand. Time to win another bunch in a row.
Wyldnwoody44 Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 Why when I quote your post do I get the added following that doesn't show in your post? I guess you were editing your post at the same time I was quoting it. Ah gotcha, I am doing this on my cell and I did edit twice cause I spelled assess wrong ans the filter got me :)
neverenough Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 Why just those two guys? Because those 2 do it the most. Because they give nothing else in return. And this
TheChimp Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 Because they give nothing else in return. Let's not make them into twins here. Roy gives plenty. Just not consistently. Stafford played for a contract last season and since then has really slacked off, the whole season basically, and that's lame. Roy should get us a 2nd or a 3rd rounder and maybe a nice big winger or d-man who Lindy can work with. Stafford? Probably a 4th or 5th rounder at best.
themaze2332 Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 Right now, I'd rather see Foligno or Kassian in Boyes roster spot. Aside from shootouts, the guy adds nothing. Dangle Boyes in a fire-sale trade, and if you get no takers, waive him and bury his inflated salary in Rochester. With Roy, Stafford, and Leino being consistent no-shows game after game, the Sabres have no room for a veteren, bottom six forward on the roster. Bring up the young guys and let them audition for a roster spot. So why keep any? Roy and Stafford have all been lackluster this season. At least Leino has been learning the system and coming into his own. I have liked his effort as of late. He tries. He wants to do what it takes. At least he has 100% effort. Roy and Stafford on the other hand.... Boyes at least brings a physical aspect. He can also help on the shoot-out. Much like Leino, if he is on the right line, he can be money.
Wyldnwoody44 Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 Brian coziel talking about changing the game/commissioner to make it a more post lockout style game and promote the stars. Interesting concept, but it'll never happen. I think.we have the build to flourish in that style of game......bot helping much this year
SabreFX Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 Ugh. My Sabres feed got blacked out on DirecTV since I'm in Orlando, and I got stuck with the Lightning's broadcast. Their play-by-play guy has this ridiculous '70s game-show host schtick. It was painful to listen to and put me in a bad mood for the game before the puck even dropped.
themaze2332 Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 Your picking on guys because you don't like them. How was Leino, Boyes, Gerbe, Ennis along the boards tonight. Stafford is playing his best hockey all year, he is actually forechecking and making body contact. Roy is all over the ice. I am not picking on any one. I am just stating things I saw. Roy is all over the ice because he falls all of the time and shies away from contact. How great was he in the last minute of play when he was the one who lost the zone when we were trying to tie the game? Stafford has been more visible, but does nothing for the team. He misses golden opportunities all of the time. His production level is down. He is FINALLY starting to ALMOST hit people. Woohooo, we're past halfway into the season....where was he the other 1.25 of the season?
Randall Flagg Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 Brian coziel talking about changing the game/commissioner to make it a more post lockout style game and promote the stars. Interesting concept, but it'll never happen. I think.we have the build to flourish in that style of game......bot helping much this year I was listening to that, isn't it crazy how blind the league is? There's no way games like tonight happening all of the time is better than those games we saw 05-07 in terms of promoting the game and providing general entertainment for the fans the NHL already has.
jad1 Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 So why keep any? Roy and Stafford have all been lackluster this season. At least Leino has been learning the system and coming into his own. I have liked his effort as of late. He tries. He wants to do what it takes. At least he has 100% effort. Roy and Stafford on the other hand.... Boyes at least brings a physical aspect. He can also help on the shoot-out. Much like Leino, if he is on the right line, he can be money. I didn't say to keep them, I'd love to see Roy or Stafford packaged up and sent out. If Darcy can use them to create an offer to get the team a #1 center, great. If he wants to move them for picks and prospects, that would be good too. But what value does Boyes have with this 3 goals and big contract? Shootouts? Gerbe, Ennis, and Vanek can handle the shootout. Boyes is Kotalik without the regulation scoring. He's dead weight on a losing hockey team. It's time to bring up the kids and he's first in the line to the press box.
PromoTheRobot Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 Oh well. OTT, TOR & WPG all lost tonight as well so we didn't lose ground. PTR
Who Else? Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 I am not picking on any one. I am just stating things I saw. Roy is all over the ice because he falls all of the time and shies away from contact. How great was he in the last minute of play when he was the one who lost the zone when we were trying to tie the game? Stafford has been more visible, but does nothing for the team. He misses golden opportunities all of the time. His production level is down. He is FINALLY starting to ALMOST hit people. Woohooo, we're past halfway into the season....where was he the other 1.25 of the season? I'm don't really want to defend those two, I'm meerly asking why all critism is directed at those two. If your going after players for losing the puck at the blue line, I.m not sure I'm that concerned about Roy.
TheChimp Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 Brian coziel talking about changing the game/commissioner to make it a more post lockout style game and promote the stars. Interesting concept, but it'll never happen. I think.we have the build to flourish in that style of game......bot helping much this year I don't like the holding and they should definitely start getting back to calling the obstruction penalties like they did post lockout, but I have absolutely no problem watching the other teams use their size and muscle to their advantage to win games. To me, that isn't "old-school" creeping back in, it's just genetics. There are far more talented players every year who are also simply larger. And all the other teams keep drafting them. We finally have a few in the pipe and I don't wanna see any of them go before we see if they have what it takes to completely change the look of this team. I'm thinking next season will be when we see most of them. Which is why I'm shocked that we still have Roy, Stafford, and Boyes on the roster. I'd be making way for the Folignos, kassians, McNabb's, etc. right now.
themaze2332 Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 I didn't say to keep them, I'd love to see Roy or Stafford packaged up and sent out. If Darcy can use them to create an offer to get the team a #1 center, great. If he wants to move them for picks and prospects, that would be good too. But what value does Boyes have with this 3 goals and big contract? Shootouts? Gerbe, Ennis, and Vanek can handle the shootout. Boyes is Kotalik without the regulation scoring. He's dead weight on a losing hockey team. It's time to bring up the kids and he's first in the line to the press box. Thanks for clearing it up. I still concur with your point about Roy and Stafford. I still think Boyes has a 50/50 chance. If he can get paired with the correct people, I think he will improve. His contract, though, is quite pricey considering his production and effect on the team, so I understand your thought of wanting him gone. I, too, call him the new Kotalik, so thanks for the comparison :) I like keeping Boyes over Roy and Stafford for the purpose of being physical. It is an iffy reason, so I would not mind losing him either. However, retaining him means we have a person with experience who could potentially school younger kids in a positive way. I'm don't really want to defend those two, I'm meerly asking why all critism is directed at those two. If your going after players for losing the puck at the blue line, I.m not sure I'm that concerned about Roy. I think you're asking: what players lose the blue line. Although, I could be wrong. Anywho, Roy has done nothing to enhance this team. He often gives the puck away and falls onto the ice while no one is around uhim. Stafford gives the puck up A LOT and then just figure skates,
bunomatic Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 I don't like the holding and they should definitely start getting back to calling the obstruction penalties like they did post lockout, but I have absolutely no problem watching the other teams use their size and muscle to their advantage to win games. To me, that isn't "old-school" creeping back in, it's just genetics. There are far more talented players every year who are also simply larger. And all the other teams keep drafting them. We finally have a few in the pipe and I don't wanna see any of them go before we see if they have what it takes to completely change the look of this team. I'm thinking next season will be when we see most of them. Which is why I'm shocked that we still have Roy, Stafford, and Boyes on the roster. I'd be making way for the Folignos, kassians, McNabb's, etc. right now. I agree. Its funny to hear others that hope the league goes back to that freewheelin style simply because those are the only type of player we have. Post lockout the media were calling Darcy a genius because it seemed he foresaw that. Darcy lucked out with that once, I don't think he gets that lucky again.
jad1 Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 I don't like the holding and they should definitely start getting back to calling the obstruction penalties like they did post lockout, but I have absolutely no problem watching the other teams use their size and muscle to their advantage to win games. To me, that isn't "old-school" creeping back in, it's just genetics. There are far more talented players every year who are also simply larger. And all the other teams keep drafting them. We finally have a few in the pipe and I don't wanna see any of them go before we see if they have what it takes to completely change the look of this team. I'm thinking next season will be when we see most of them. Which is why I'm shocked that we still have Roy, Stafford, and Boyes on the roster. I'd be making way for the Folignos, kassians, McNabb's, etc. right now. I agree. When the Sabres play Boston, we all want to see someone on the team stand up to Lucic and Chara and put some fear into them. Give the team high marks for standing up to those guys last Wednesday, but do you really think Lucic is worried about the next matchup? Kassian might be that guy who can throw some fear and dred into opposing teams. The last time the Sabres had that was when May and Ray were on the roster. I'd hate to see the team trade that away before knowing if Kassian can grow into that role, with Foligno and McNabb offering some support.
Marvelo Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 am I wrong when I say Tyler Myers can't aim from the point? Constantly misses the net. I've seen it too way many times to think it could be a set play - carom off the boards.
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