One less way to watch Sabres games...

[sillyeddie]

I'm not saying I've done this, but some Sabres fans might have been watching the games online at one of this guy's sites and now the federal government has shut up to 16 of these down and arrested a guy who they think ran as many of 9 of them. Among the more notable of the sites are the firstrow sports ones where many fans have been getting their Sabres fix.

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/02/us-website-seizures-idUSTRE8111UD20120202

[darksabre]

I'm not saying I've done this, but some Sabres fans might have been watching the games online at one of this guy's sites and now the federal government has shut up to 16 of these down and arrested a guy who they think ran as many of 9 of them. Among the more notable of the sites are the firstrow sports ones where many fans have been getting their Sabres fix.

 

http://www.reuters.c...E8111UD20120202

 

It's okay. There are still many out there, including a new first row sports that showed up this afternoon. If you know how to find them, they'll always be there.

[TheChimp]

I don't think I can actually be less popular than I already am around here, but I'm gonna risk it and say outright that I never liked Napster and I don't feel good about not paying for cable. I don't like the monopolies these music companies and cable and dish dealers have on the marketplace, and thus the customers, but I see these things as a problems to be solved through political action and some sweat equity. I see these things as theft as much as the industries appear to.

[darksabre]

I don't think I can actually be less popular than I already am around here, but I'm gonna risk it and say outright that I never liked Napster and I don't feel good about not paying for cable. I don't like the monopolies these music companies and cable and dish dealers have on the marketplace, and thus the customers, but I see these things as a problems to be solved through political action and some sweat equity. I see these things as theft as much as the industries appear to.

 

Good for you. I don't like not being able to watch Sabres games on the only cable provider I'm allowed to get at my apartment complex.

[SDS]

I don't think I can actually be less popular than I already am around here, but I'm gonna risk it and say outright that I never liked Napster and I don't feel good about not paying for cable. I don't like the monopolies these music companies and cable and dish dealers have on the marketplace, and thus the customers, but I see these things as a problems to be solved through political action and some sweat equity. I see these things as theft as much as the industries appear to.

 

Actually, you are much less popular than you think.

[billsrcursed]

I don't think I can actually be less popular than I already am around here, but I'm gonna risk it and say outright that I never liked Napster and I don't feel good about not paying for cable. I don't like the monopolies these music companies and cable and dish dealers have on the marketplace, and thus the customers, but I see these things as a problems to be solved through political action and some sweat equity. I see these things as theft as much as the industries appear to.

 

You should be careful with the word "theft". It means something completely different from what you are using it for. Nobody is stealing the Sabres. They're still on the ice. This is simply taking an already existing feed and showing it to others for free.

 

Now if you had said it's preventing someone or some group of making money, then perhaps you'd be correct, but then who's to say that those prevented from viewing online would then pay for it instead... this goes deeper than most would care to know about.

 

BTW, I pay for CI every year. Just thought I'd play devil's advocate a little. There's always another side to the story.

[SwampD]

I don't think I can actually be less popular than I already am around here, but I'm gonna risk it and say outright that I never liked Napster and I don't feel good about not paying for cable. I don't like the monopolies these music companies and cable and dish dealers have on the marketplace, and thus the customers, but I see these things as a problems to be solved through political action and some sweat equity. I see these things as theft as much as the industries appear to.

I somewhat agree. With the NHL, there is absolutely no reason not to get Game Center. It is a great service at a great price.

 

Now, on to Sunday Ticket. While I have had it for two years now, IMO it is a complete ripoff. Crappy feeds, half of the features don't work, no highlights in theair highlight section and it's double the cost of GC. I won't be getting it next year.

[Neo]

I don't think I can actually be less popular than I already am around here, but I'm gonna risk it and say outright that I never liked Napster and I don't feel good about not paying for cable. I don't like the monopolies these music companies and cable and dish dealers have on the marketplace, and thus the customers, but I see these things as a problems to be solved through political action and some sweat equity. I see these things as theft as much as the industries appear to.

 

Maybe I'm old school, but I'm with you. My desire to have something doesn't trump someone's ownership of it. I'm not preaching, but you're not alone. I pay for six iTunes accounts. My kids' friends tease me. My kids "get it."

[TheChimp]

Actually, you are much less popular than you think.

Did you not understand what you highlighted?

[darksabre]

Did you not understand what you highlighted?

 

I think he understood it just fine.

[TheChimp]

I think he understood it just fine.

I don't. And perhaps neither did you. I said that I probably couldn't be any less popular than I already am, and he says that I don't realize how unpopular I am.

 

And by the way, d4rk, you act like I don't sympathize with your plight. I absolutely do sympathize with your plight, and fervently hope that you contact your politicians or join your local Occupy group and join with those of us already working to get our government to start enforcing the Sherman Antitrust Act the way it was intended to be used. Believe me, I understand that it's a pain in the rear to get our elected officials to actually do the things they promise us working slobs they are going to. You have no idea how well I understand that. I mean, I'm just a stupid, hated ape around here. But I know people you can get in touch with if you want more choice of cable providers. Just ask.

[darksabre]

I don't. And perhaps neither did you. I said that I probably couldn't be any less popular than I already am, and he says that I don't realize how unpopular I am.

 

And by the way, d4rk, you act like I don't sympathize with your plight. I absolutely do sympathize with your plight, and fervently hope that you contact your politicians or join your local Occupy group and join with those of us already working to get our government to start enforcing the Sherman Antitrust Act the way it was intended to be used. Believe me, I understand that it's a pain in the rear to get our elected officials to actually do the things they promise us working slobs they are going to. You have no idea how well I understand that. I mean, I'm just a stupid, hated ape around here. But I know people you can get in touch with if you want more choice of cable providers. Just ask.

 

What the hell are you talking about?

[TheChimp]

What the hell are you talking about?

You said: "Good for you. I don't like not being able to watch Sabres games on the only cable provider I'm allowed to get at my apartment complex."

 

I was responding to that. Forget it.

 

You should be careful with the word "theft". It means something completely different from what you are using it for. Nobody is stealing the Sabres. They're still on the ice. This is simply taking an already existing feed and showing it to others for free.

 

Now if you had said it's preventing someone or some group of making money, then perhaps you'd be correct, but then who's to say that those prevented from viewing online would then pay for it instead... this goes deeper than most would care to know about.

 

BTW, I pay for CI every year. Just thought I'd play devil's advocate a little. There's always another side to the story.

Inviting a bunch of friends over to watch the game is one thing. Sharing your cable feed with thousands of people on the internet is another. Again, I hate price gauging and lack of choice in my services. Deregulation at its finest. Still too many people not getting that, but that's beside the point. All I'm saying is, anarchy isn't my way. That's all. Makes me feel like a lazy ass.

[SDS]

I don't. And perhaps neither did you. I said that I probably couldn't be any less popular than I already am, and he says that I don't realize how unpopular I am.

 

This is for the slooooooow people on the board:

 

For as UNpopular you think you are I can assure you that you are even LESS popular than that.

[nfreeman]

I don't think I can actually be less popular than I already am around here, but I'm gonna risk it and say outright that I never liked Napster and I don't feel good about not paying for cable. I don't like the monopolies these music companies and cable and dish dealers have on the marketplace, and thus the customers, but I see these things as a problems to be solved through political action and some sweat equity. I see these things as theft as much as the industries appear to.

Maybe I'm old school, but I'm with you. My desire to have something doesn't trump someone's ownership of it. I'm not preaching, but you're not alone. I pay for six iTunes accounts. My kids' friends tease me. My kids "get it."

 

I agree with you both on this.

 

Good for you. I don't like not being able to watch Sabres games on the only cable provider I'm allowed to get at my apartment complex.

 

I totally empathize. However, you could still get Gamecenter online, right? And then you'd have a better picture, more features, portability, etc. at a pretty reasonable price, and you'd be doing the right thing (IMHO) -- and not exposing your computer to phishing, viruses, spyware, etc.

 

You should be careful with the word "theft". It means something completely different from what you are using it for. Nobody is stealing the Sabres. They're still on the ice. This is simply taking an already existing feed and showing it to others for free.

 

Now if you had said it's preventing someone or some group of making money, then perhaps you'd be correct, but then who's to say that those prevented from viewing online would then pay for it instead... this goes deeper than most would care to know about.

 

BTW, I pay for CI every year. Just thought I'd play devil's advocate a little. There's always another side to the story.

 

Holy straw man Batman! Did anyone say anything about stealing the Sabres?

 

This just sounds like a rationale for excusing something that everyone knows is both wrong and against the law.

 

Here's one way to think about it: if the games weren't on TV, and the only way to see the games were to go to the arena and pay for a ticket, but someone offered to sneak you in the fire door so you could watch the game from the catwalk, and you knew if you were caught you'd be cited for trespassing and your facilitator would be arrested -- would you do it? Would you think it was right for you to do it?

 

I somewhat agree. With the NHL, there is absolutely no reason not to get Game Center. It is a great service at a great price.

 

Now, on to Sunday Ticket. While I have had it for two years now, IMO it is a complete ripoff. Crappy feeds, half of the features don't work, no highlights in theair highlight section and it's double the cost of GC. I won't be getting it next year.

 

I haven't bought Sunday Ticket for several years, but it's because of the Bills and their complete abdication of any responsibility to field a competitive team.

[shrader]

This is for the slooooooow people on the board:

 

For as UNpopular you think you are I can assure you that you are even LESS popular than that.

 

I wish you'd post more.

[billsrcursed]

I agree with you both on this.

 

 

 

I totally empathize. However, you could still get Gamecenter online, right? And then you'd have a better picture, more features, portability, etc. at a pretty reasonable price, and you'd be doing the right thing (IMHO) -- and not exposing your computer to phishing, viruses, spyware, etc.

 

 

 

Holy straw man Batman! Did anyone say anything about stealing the Sabres?

 

This just sounds like a rationale for excusing something that everyone knows is both wrong and against the law.

 

Here's one way to think about it: if the games weren't on TV, and the only way to see the games were to go to the arena and pay for a ticket, but someone offered to sneak you in the fire door so you could watch the game from the catwalk, and you knew if you were caught you'd be cited for trespassing and your facilitator would be arrested -- would you do it? Would you think it was right for you to do it?

 

 

 

I haven't bought Sunday Ticket for several years, but it's because of the Bills and their complete abdication of any responsibility to field a competitive team.

 

I think the argument is that it shouldn't be against the law. And no, I wouldn't sneak through the fire exit, I'd go to a buddy's house, which is basically the same thing as watching online. Sneaking into a private establishment is a little different than watching an already offered telecast.

[darksabre]

I totally empathize. However, you could still get Gamecenter online, right? And then you'd have a better picture, more features, portability, etc. at a pretty reasonable price, and you'd be doing the right thing (IMHO) -- and not exposing your computer to phishing, viruses, spyware, etc.

 

 

I could, but I don't feel like spending more money. I understand it is for totally selfish reasons, but I don't see watching pirated web streams as something I need to feel morally guilty about. The web streams aren't a primary source of income for the NHL and my watching on someone elses dime isn't hurting their business. It's not really any different than going over to a buddy's house to watch the game.

 

The music industry for me is different. Having music available to buy on iTunes has really changed my opinion on pirating music. I wont buy pop music or anything I know someone is making tons of money off of, but if I want a Fred McDowell album, or something by a band I know really needs that album sale money, I'll buy it. I'm not above that, because I like good music to prosper.

 

I just don't feel bad in any way about watching pirated web streams.

[Eleven]

I could, but I don't feel like spending more money. I understand it is for totally selfish reasons, but I don't see watching pirated web streams as something I need to feel morally guilty about. The web streams aren't a primary source of income for the NHL and my watching on someone elses dime isn't hurting their business. It's not really any different than going over to a buddy's house to watch the game.

 

The music industry for me is different. Having music available to buy on iTunes has really changed my opinion on pirating music. I wont buy pop music or anything I know someone is making tons of money off of, but if I want a Fred McDowell album, or something by a band I know really needs that album sale money, I'll buy it. I'm not above that, because I like good music to prosper.

 

I just don't feel bad in any way about watching pirated web streams.

 

There's also this: GameCenter is not an option for Sabres games if you live in Buffalo. I'd pay for it if it were.

[darksabre]

There's also this: GameCenter is not an option for Sabres games if you live in Buffalo. I'd pay for it if it were.

 

A good practical point as well.

[SwampD]

 

I haven't bought Sunday Ticket for several years, but it's because of the Bills and their complete abdication of any responsibility to field a competitive team.

Sorry, I should have said Sunday Ticket To Go.

I could, but I don't feel like spending more money. I understand it is for totally selfish reasons, but I don't see watching pirated web streams as something I need to feel morally guilty about. The web streams aren't a primary source of income for the NHL and my watching on someone elses dime isn't hurting their business. It's not really any different than going over to a buddy's house to watch the game.

 

The music industry for me is different. Having music available to buy on iTunes has really changed my opinion on pirating music. I wont buy pop music or anything I know someone is making tons of money off of, but if I want a Fred McDowell album, or something by a band I know really needs that album sale money, I'll buy it. I'm not above that, because I like good music to prosper.

 

I just don't feel bad in any way about watching pirated web streams.

Moral issue aside, which I don't really care about, what you get with GC is worth every penny.

[TheChimp]

This is for the slooooooow people on the board:

 

For as UNpopular you think you are I can assure you that you are even LESS popular than that.

Oh I get it now, duh. You were just risking redundancy to be nasty. Thanks!

[nfreeman]

I think the argument is that it shouldn't be against the law. And no, I wouldn't sneak through the fire exit, I'd go to a buddy's house, which is basically the same thing as watching online. Sneaking into a private establishment is a little different than watching an already offered telecast.

 

How can that possibly be the argument? Someone spent time and money to produce a broadcast. How can they possibly not have the right to sell it how and when they see fit, and not to have it stolen from them?

 

OK, you wouldn't sneak into the game. If someone drilled a hole in the roof, snaked a camera in there and ran a cable to your house, would you watch it? Would you feel entitled to watch it?

 

If there was a new book in the bookstore that cost $25 that you wanted to read, and someone offered to photocopy it for you and bind it so that it was pretty close to the actual book, would you think that was OK?

 

I could, but I don't feel like spending more money. I understand it is for totally selfish reasons, but I don't see watching pirated web streams as something I need to feel morally guilty about. The web streams aren't a primary source of income for the NHL and my watching on someone elses dime isn't hurting their business. It's not really any different than going over to a buddy's house to watch the game.

 

The music industry for me is different. Having music available to buy on iTunes has really changed my opinion on pirating music. I wont buy pop music or anything I know someone is making tons of money off of, but if I want a Fred McDowell album, or something by a band I know really needs that album sale money, I'll buy it. I'm not above that, because I like good music to prosper.

 

I just don't feel bad in any way about watching pirated web streams.

 

So...you get to decide when the content owner has made enough money on something, and when they've crossed that threshold, it's OK to help yourself?

 

I know this sounds judgmental, and I apologize for that. We all have our areas in which we cut corners or rationalize things. But I don't think these rationales (not just yours) intellectually hold water. I think intellectual property is property, and taking someone else's property is just that -- no more, no less.

 

There's also this: GameCenter is not an option for Sabres games if you live in Buffalo. I'd pay for it if it were.

 

Now this goes along way towards justifying taking matters into one's own hands.

[darksabre]

So...you get to decide when the content owner has made enough money on something, and when they've crossed that threshold, it's OK to help yourself?

 

I know this sounds judgmental, and I apologize for that. We all have our areas in which we cut corners or rationalize things. But I don't think these rationales (not just yours) intellectually hold water. I think intellectual property is property, and taking someone else's property is just that -- no more, no less.

 

 

It's a judgment I choose to make. Rich people don't need my money, I need my money.

[Tyrannustyrannus]

Did you not understand what you highlighted?

 

Did you not understand that your avatar is an Orangutan? Sorry, I couldn't resist...