shrader Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 I'll go with history on this one. The only two first overall picks from Russia are arguably the two biggest lockerroom cancers in the league. They might be the two most talented players in the league but what have they won. There is a tragic flaw that stems from them or their play. I don't know if it's alienation through selfishness or something deeper but I want to be as far away from that as possible. Columbus is going to be really hard to catch. They are 13 points behind the craptastic Sabres!! I'm late on the reply to this one, but how about that Russian that went 2nd overall after Ovechkin?
Sabres Fan in NS Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 I'm late on the reply to this one, but how about that Russian that went 2nd overall after Ovechkin? Maybe the deadline / draft day deals combined with the poor play draft position will net the Sabres the 1st and 2nd pick in the draft. Then they can take a big centre #1 and this Russian guy #2. EDIT: Not being an a$$. I agree with you that the 2nd overall pick that draft is great and maybe the Sabres could duplicate the results as I indicated.
DR HOLLIDAY Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 According to Hamilton this morning Pacioretty said something about Lucic first and Goose fired back with Chara. Like you said, all's fair in that situation. And I don't think it was only back in the day when Barnaby said some classless things. A pretty fair response then
shrader Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 Gaustad is the last person that should be talking garbage. He did nothing when Miller was run, again. I do believe Scott Gomez was in the lineup. The same Scott Gomez that ran Miller and pretty much eliminated the Sabres from the playoffs. Instead of talking, maybe Gaustad should be going after Gomez. Why run Gomez? If he misses any time Montreal is suddenly a better team.
LastPommerFan Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 3 questions: 1) Do you think if they squeaked into the playoffs they could make it out of round 1? 2) Is going on a run now the absolute WORST thing this team could do? 3) If they go say 10-3 counting tonight, should they be buyers or sellers at the deadline? My answers: 1) NO. They are more mentally frail than a recovering heroin addict with a personality disorder. 2) They are not going to even remotely challenge for a cup so yes, winning at this point is horrible because it maintains the status quo and screws up our draft picks. .500 Hockey works just fine. 3) Sellers. In the last 5 years Darcy has not once acquired anything at the deadline to assist the Sabres. Considering the locker room is already being screwed up by certain players, why not sell them off at premiums now. If the goal is the cup you must let go of the past. Derek Roy is not going to wake up tomorrow and suddenly become Evgeni Malkin. Trade him and free up some cap room and get a decent return. The goal is the cup. Keeping all our baggage and sneaking into the playoffs moves us further away from, not closer to, that ultimate goal. 1.) Dynamite analogy. 2.) Winning games is never a bad thing. You're still going to have 60-70% of this roster even if you do a major overhaul. Those guys need to know how to win. 3.) if you want to be sellers at the deadline, we better get on a run, and some of these assets need to put up some points. Otherwise, there will be no premium paid for anyone on this roster. Why run Gomez? If he misses any time Montreal is suddenly a better team. Thinking the same thing.
wonderbread Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 Why run Gomez? If he misses any time Montreal is suddenly a better team. I would like to see his head get caved in. I have often wondered why he is allowed to chrip and play on the edge of dirty with out any response.
Eleven Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 Why run Gomez? If he misses any time Montreal is suddenly a better team. Plus, Ehrhoff, Kaleta, and McCormick were taking care of Gomez anyway.
apuszczalowski Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 I would like to see his head get caved in. I have often wondered why he is allowed to chrip and play on the edge of dirty with out any response. by taking him out, your just doing the Habs fans and organisation a favour, its better to watch him get ripped apart by fans of the team for being overpaid garbage then to knock him out
nfreeman Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 3 questions: 1) Do you think if they squeaked into the playoffs they could make it out of round 1? 2) Is going on a run now the absolute WORST thing this team could do? 3) If they go say 10-3 counting tonight, should they be buyers or sellers at the deadline? My answers: 1) NO. They are more mentally frail than a recovering heroin addict with a personality disorder. 2) They are not going to even remotely challenge for a cup so yes, winning at this point is horrible because it maintains the status quo and screws up our draft picks. .500 Hockey works just fine. 3) Sellers. In the last 5 years Darcy has not once acquired anything at the deadline to assist the Sabres. Considering the locker room is already being screwed up by certain players, why not sell them off at premiums now. If the goal is the cup you must let go of the past. Derek Roy is not going to wake up tomorrow and suddenly become Evgeni Malkin. Trade him and free up some cap room and get a decent return. The goal is the cup. Keeping all our baggage and sneaking into the playoffs moves us further away from, not closer to, that ultimate goal. 1.) Dynamite analogy. 2.) Winning games is never a bad thing. You're still going to have 60-70% of this roster even if you do a major overhaul. Those guys need to know how to win. 3.) if you want to be sellers at the deadline, we better get on a run, and some of these assets need to put up some points. Otherwise, there will be no premium paid for anyone on this roster. 1. Yes. Anything can happen in the playoffs, including the Sabres beating Boston or the Rangers in round 1. 2. Agree with LPF 100%. I'd much rather win than tank. Winning begets winning and losing begets losing. 3. Sellers. There will almost certainly not be a miracle run to the playoffs, and, if there were any doubts before now, the disgraceful first half of the year should have erased them -- the core of this team needs a major overhaul. The deadline will be the Sabres' opportunity to get the most value for Roy and Pommer (and Leopold, although he's not a member of the core), and their ONLY chance to unload Stafford,Gaustad, Boyes and MAG (although Boyes and MAG are also not core members).
biodork Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 ... I was under the same impression; giving him a break. ... Not so (from this article): Rookie Luke Adam enjoyed his All-Star experience. The opening game after it? Not so much. Ruff scratched the forward hours after saying Adam's journey to Ottawa probably wasn't worth it for his forward. Adam has gone 17 games without a goal and has just one point in the last 22 outings. "Luke has had a tough run," Ruff said. "Like any young player, he's going to have his ups and downs. He had a couple tough games on the road. I actually though that [Matt] Ellis and [Cody] McCormick had been playing better and the puck possession was good. It's not earth-shattering that a young player sits out a game. I think it's the trials and tribulations a lot of time, but he's got to stay around the puck more."
SwampD Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 Not so (from this article): I find this decision by Ruff to be baffling,.. and maddening.
biodork Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 I find this decision by Ruff to be baffling,.. and maddening. I agree. It would be like me trying to punish my dog two days after he has an accident; the time has passed, and the message is less effective because there is a disconnect between the actions and consequences. I think Ruff should have sat Adam down and said, "You know, you've had a tough first half of the season, and I need you to be better. I would have benched you some nights if we'd had enough healthy bodies. But everyone has a chance to start fresh here for the second half, and now is your chance to prove to me that you belong in this lineup."
dEnnis the Menace Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 I find this decision by Ruff to be baffling,.. and maddening. I don't. Not at all. We all hound on Stafford and Roy for lack of production, and Boyes, and Goose, and leino...and the list goes on. Why not hold the rookie acocutnable for he fact that he hasn't had a goal let alone a point in well over a month?! If Myers can be sat, then Adam sure as hell can be sat, and should have been. Right call by Ruff in my opinion, and hopefully it lights a spark under the rookies arse.
SwampD Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 I don't. Not at all. We all hound on Stafford and Roy for lack of production, and Boyes, and Goose, and leino...and the list goes on. Why not hold the rookie acocutnable for he fact that he hasn't had a goal let alone a point in well over a month?! If Myers can be sat, then Adam sure as hell can be sat, and should have been. Right call by Ruff in my opinion, and hopefully it lights a spark under the rookies arse. How many of those that you mentioned have been scratched?... None. And if you are going to scratch him, the first game after he went to the ASG, when his confidence is probably the highest it's been, is not the game to do it. Way to break him back down, Lindy. We don't want that uppity youngster thinking he's bigger than your precious system.
nfreeman Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 I find this decision by Ruff to be baffling,.. and maddening. I don't. Not at all. We all hound on Stafford and Roy for lack of production, and Boyes, and Goose, and leino...and the list goes on. Why not hold the rookie acocutnable for he fact that he hasn't had a goal let alone a point in well over a month?! If Myers can be sat, then Adam sure as hell can be sat, and should have been. Right call by Ruff in my opinion, and hopefully it lights a spark under the rookies arse. How many of those that you mentioned have been scratched?... None. And if you are going to scratch him, the first game after he went to the ASG, when his confidence is probably the highest it's been, is not the game to do it. Way to break him back down, Lindy. We don't want that uppity youngster thinking he's bigger than your precious system. I agree with the Menace on this one. Adam has been lousy and completely ineffective. It happens with young players. Let's see how he responds.
dEnnis the Menace Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 How many of those that you mentioned have been scratched?... None. And if you are going to scratch him, the first game after he went to the ASG, when his confidence is probably the highest it's been, is not the game to do it. Way to break him back down, Lindy. We don't want that uppity youngster thinking he's bigger than your precious system. I agree. It would be like me trying to punish my dog two days after he has an accident; the time has passed, and the message is less effective because there is a disconnect between the actions and consequences. I think Ruff should have sat Adam down and said, "You know, you've had a tough first half of the season, and I need you to be better. I would have benched you some nights if we'd had enough healthy bodies. But everyone has a chance to start fresh here for the second half, and now is your chance to prove to me that you belong in this lineup." Taking a step back I can definitely see where the two of you are coming from, *EDIT* But I still like the sitting. IMHO, I think he should have been scratched prior (tough with the *injury excuse*), and I think the other players that haven't been performing needed a swift kick in the a$$ but that didn't happen either. Either way. It'll be interesting to see how and where he plays tonight.
FolignosJock Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 I agree with the Menace on this one. Adam has been lousy and completely ineffective. It happens with young players. Let's see how he responds. There is a difference when it is your first year, and you are currently playing on the fourth line. The expectations for roy and stafford are much higher because they need to produce to what we know they are capable of. Sitting Adam was silly. I do think that it will make him go even harder though. If I was him I would be pissed. Is it still a bad idea if it makes him produce more cuz he is angry though?
TrueBlueGED Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 There is a difference when it is your first year, and you are currently playing on the fourth line. The expectations for roy and stafford are much higher because they need to produce to what we know they are capable of. Sitting Adam was silly. I do think that it will make him go even harder though. If I was him I would be pissed. Is it still a bad idea if it makes him produce more cuz he is angry though? Michael Jordan became the greatest player in NBA history because he remember even the slightest slight he ever endured, it fueled him to greatness. Aaron Rodgers is still driven by being picked 23rd in the draft when he thought he should be #1. After seeing Adam float around most of the past 25 games, and not even attempt to defend himself when hit twice, I think the best thing that could happen to him is getting a chip on his shoulder.
inkman Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 I'm late on the reply to this one, but how about that Russian that went 2nd overall after Ovechkin? 99% of the populous would take him, just not sure I'm one of them. The Pens have put a nice team together, I wonder how Malkin would do on a lesser team, like the Sabres. As far as the rest of the draft, Ooof! What a disaster. Let's put it this way, Stafford is in the conversation as the next best first rounder. Lest we not forget, that was also the year of the Funk (2nd round).
Eleven Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 I don't mind the benching of a young guy. I mind the fact that Matt Ellis is the best the team can put on the ice in his stead.
LGR4GM Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 ok, we get it, you've jumped ships. ? I am not sure what you mean exactly? My thoughts on what I did see: Ennis being back was a shot in the arm that this team needed Ennis at center actually didn't look too bad Vanek being out is no good. Roy was nowhere to be seen last night The defense played A LOT better last night compared to recent weeks...A LOT Congrats to Miller for tying Dom's record. He played extremely well last night, and I hope he keeps "trending up" Roy is pretty much done for this team. The fact he is still allowed to let his toxic nature fill the locker room is a testament to DR failure as a gm. I keep saying I think Ennis is a special player. There is something about him that makes me believe that. As far as him playing center, I am not sure if he is defensibly reliable enough to do that but at least we would have a puck mover down the middle. 1. Yes. Anything can happen in the playoffs, including the Sabres beating Boston or the Rangers in round 1. 2. Agree with LPF 100%. I'd much rather win than tank. Winning begets winning and losing begets losing. 3. Sellers. There will almost certainly not be a miracle run to the playoffs, and, if there were any doubts before now, the disgraceful first half of the year should have erased them -- the core of this team needs a major overhaul. The deadline will be the Sabres' opportunity to get the most value for Roy and Pommer (and Leopold, although he's not a member of the core), and their ONLY chance to unload Stafford,Gaustad, Boyes and MAG (although Boyes and MAG are also not core members). 1) True, but highly unlikely. 2) Mediocrity begets mediocrity. They are already losers. Last year (2nd half) they played great and hit this year with hopes high and then crumbled. If you can go from winners to losers you can go from losers this season to winners next season. They simply can not keep scraping by. They are losers unless they make it out of the first round at this point. The only thing winning accomplishes now is it maintains the status quo and screws up the potential to draft someone really good. 3) They chances of this team trading Pominville, our 1 constant is extremely limited. Ik you dislike him but he is such a consistent and good player. 65pts a season average, never a defensive liability, maybe quiet but he leads by example. Outside of his contract being a slight overpayment what more do you want from him? Stafford or Pommers? Which one would you rather have on the sabres? They Sabres need to luck into drafting Radek Faksa. I think Grigorenko is out of our reach and Faksa I think could be a great fit. 3 years from now our centers Could be: Catenacci Faksa Adam
LastPommerFan Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 3) They chances of this team trading Pominville, our 1 constant is extremely limited. Ik you dislike him but he is such a consistent and good player. 65pts a season average, never a defensive liability, maybe quiet but he leads by example. Outside of his contract being a slight overpayment what more do you want from him? Stafford or Pommers? Which one would you rather have on the sabres? I would trade Pommer if that's what it took to bring in a gamechanger. I don't know that that trade would make sense for the other team, but I'd do it. This roster needs help at forward, and a great center next to Vanek could be deadly.
nfreeman Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 1) True, but highly unlikely. 2) Mediocrity begets mediocrity. They are already losers. Last year (2nd half) they played great and hit this year with hopes high and then crumbled. If you can go from winners to losers you can go from losers this season to winners next season. They simply can not keep scraping by. They are losers unless they make it out of the first round at this point. The only thing winning accomplishes now is it maintains the status quo and screws up the potential to draft someone really good. 3) They chances of this team trading Pominville, our 1 constant is extremely limited. Ik you dislike him but he is such a consistent and good player. 65pts a season average, never a defensive liability, maybe quiet but he leads by example. Outside of his contract being a slight overpayment what more do you want from him? Stafford or Pommers? Which one would you rather have on the sabres? As for #2, I think they have a much better shot at getting guys like Parise and Doan this summer if they have a strong 2nd half than if they completely fall apart. As for #3, I agree that it is unlikely that Pommer will be traded (although the question of whether I'd rather have Stafford or Pommer is neither here nor there). As I've said before, Pommer is a good player. My desire to trade him arises from my belief that (i) he's been a terrible captain, and there has to be accountability for this "leadership group's" crashing failure this year (and the same goes for Roy, Stafford and Gaustad IMHO), (ii) the Sabres could get a pretty good return for him -- maybe a #1 and a #2 from a playoff contender and (iii) I'd rather have a #1, a #2 and Pommer's salary slot to go after Parise and/or Doan this summer than have Pommer.
shrader Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 99% of the populous would take him, just not sure I'm one of them. The Pens have put a nice team together, I wonder how Malkin would do on a lesser team, like the Sabres. I come right out and say it: Malkin is the best player in the league.
Who Else? Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 Forget about Gomez all he tryed to do was trip Miller and get the puck. He didn't run him and hit him in the head. HE sucks anyway. Why didn't anyone drill Emilen other than Ennis. Emilen had a clean hard hit on the Sabres only player wortha damn this year. He threw Ennis in the boards on that same PP. He was mugging guys all night. The refs made it pretty clear they were going to let the players play it out. Send a message to that guy. Drill their tough guy, I don't care about Ehrhoff playing two hand touch with Gomez behind the net. By the way did anyone watch Cole w/o the puck last night? What the hell was he doing? He kept just skating into the Sabres guys in the offensive zone and tying them up. I couldn't figure if he was looking for an interference penalty or he thought he was playing defence.
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