OT - State of the Union Address

[darksabre]

did not say that dark one.. a combination of factors, cost of buisness being important but not the only one... Kodak really got hurt by foreign competition.. which was subsidized,and used their technology when digital photography was in its enfancy, but they made grave strategic mistakes too, especially with their unions product line development..

 

why do you think the new volt battery facility, the five japanese auto plants that have been built in the south in the last ten years are not here or the new Boeing Plant ?.Cost of doing buisness, and enviormental regulation is a big part of that. When buisnesses ask us for strategic advice NY is always way down on the list when the analysis is completed unless it is a regional product or serrvice.my typing is horrible geez. never had to do any.

 

So what you're saying essentially, is that we need New York to move backwards? So that businesses from our state don't leave for states with less regulation?

 

Sorta sounds like when our country sent all of its industry overseas because China has no regulations. We can't keep moving industry to places where regulation isn't as strenuous. It's just ignoring the problem in favor of economic factors. The price of doing business in New York is going to be higher because of regulation. New York needs to find a way to provide incentives to businesses that are willing to stay here and work within those regulations.

 

if only there were real trade rumors

 

amen to that.

[MattPie]

Sorta sounds like when our country sent all of its industry overseas because China has no regulations. We can't keep moving industry to places where regulation isn't as strenuous. It's just ignoring the problem in favor of economic factors. The price of doing business in New York is going to be higher because of regulation. New York needs to find a way to provide incentives to businesses that are willing to stay here and work within those regulations.

 

It's a tough call, but at the moment we have to choose between paying a bit more for stuff made in the USA, paying less for stuff from China, or changing the regulations so we can turn parts of our country into the toxic wasteland that parts of southeast Asia are becoming. None of those are great options.

 

Realistically, it would be nice if money, things, and prices weren't the only thing that mattered to most people, but that's getting into way, way off-topic terriroty. I've been struggling with my own consumption patterns lately, trying to buy less stuff of higher quality (ideally made in the USA or at least not China). It's tough.

[waldo]

So what you're saying essentially, is that we need New York to move backwards? So that businesses from our state don't leave for states with less regulation?

 

Sorta sounds like when our country sent all of its industry overseas because China has no regulations. We can't keep moving industry to places where regulation isn't as strenuous. It's just ignoring the problem in favor of economic factors. The price of doing business in New York is going to be higher because of regulation. New York needs to find a way to provide incentives to businesses that are willing to stay here and work within those regulations.

 

 

 

amen to that.

 

We have no control over buisness migration . As far as Ny creating a buisness friendly upstate enviorment , it is never going to happen in our life time dark one.Our politics are controlled by a downstate majority that has a governing philosphy that is antithectical to our needs. The constitution purposely gives States the right to control their buisness enviornments within reason.What we, NY, do not loose to the chinese we will definately loose to Texas or North Carolina etc. because their politicians think diferently. In the next five years NYC will begin to loose it supremecy in financial services. (many of the hedges i do buisness with are looking elsewhere)The battle between the socialist ,unionized rust belt States and the more conservative red states has already been joined. It is being played out on the national stage right now..Who knows where it goes. I do know i am more like them than i am ,the average NYer.

 

now on to trade rumors,although stasi ( spetnaz) just blew up the brown rumor// i never liked him anyway

[Weave]

So what you're saying essentially, is that we need New York to move backwards? So that businesses from our state don't leave for states with less regulation?

 

Sorta sounds like when our country sent all of its industry overseas because China has no regulations. We can't keep moving industry to places where regulation isn't as strenuous. It's just ignoring the problem in favor of economic factors. The price of doing business in New York is going to be higher because of regulation. New York needs to find a way to provide incentives to businesses that are willing to stay here and work within those regulations.

 

 

They already found a way. They take your tax dollars and give it to corporations. The unfortunate part is that there aren't enough tax dollars to fully offset the economic factors that disadvantage NY.

[FogBat]

1, Yes you are correct . The enviormentalist have also stopped just about all development in the Adriondack Park, eliminated most mining operations in NYS , destroyed the leather tanning industry,forced the shut down of Shoream and single handedly blocked the building of nuclear power plants and the burning of coal to generate electricity in upstate NY.Their control of the regulatory appartus in ECON has been devastating to the few remaining manufacturing industries in NYS. Their future agenda is down right totalitarian. But that is what you get when you let leftists govern.

 

2, IMO. Carl is at heart a liberal democrat. He spends far more money supporting the liberal democrats in the NYS Senate than he does supporting the conservative issues he likes to talk about publically.His political director works for the democrat minority in the NYS Senate and he is an x Erie county democratic chairman. It was Carls large contribution late in the election that got DiNapoli elected as State Comptroller and his contibutions to the liberal democrats in the NYS Senate that helped take the majority away from the Republicans two years ago.

 

1, Whenever an issue like this about environmentalism is brought up and how much they do to make it a "greener" world, I always keep thinking back to when the communist countries (in particular, East Germany) put on paper in their constitutions that they would be wholly committed to environmental preservation. After the "fall of Communism", some of the youth in the former East Germany said, "What a farce!" Straight from the horse's mouth.

 

2, I completely forgot about Paladino's political leanings in the past - and, by your own assessment, the present. Seems to me that he only switched sides for political expediency and not really out of solid conviction.

[FogBat]

Koday was destroyed because the people running it were too stupid to see the future of digital technology. Shifting the blame to environmentalists is asinine. No one but Kodak is responsible for Kodak's failure.

 

I have to agree with this. I think Kodak's fall started with Kay Whitmore. He was a horrible CEO. He should have never been brought on.

 

did not say that dark one.. a combination of factors, cost of buisness being important but not the only one... Kodak really got hurt by foreign competition.. which was subsidized,and used their technology when digital photography was in its enfancy, but they made grave strategic mistakes too, especially with their unions and in product line development..the japanese ate them alive. ironic given the fact Deming built their post war economy

 

as an example ...why do you think the new volt battery facility, the five japanese auto plants that have been built in the south in the last ten years are not here or the new Boeing Plant ?.Cost of doing buisness, and enviormental regulation is a big part of that. When buisnesses ask us for strategic advice NY is always way down on the list when the analysis is completed unless it is a regional product or serrvice.my typing is horrible geez. never had to do any.

 

A lot of the died in the wool Southerners have been saying for a number of years that the South would rise again. I laughed at that back in 92. I'm not laughing now, and I really do wish them well in their endeavors.

[FogBat]

I find the timing of the discussion of jobs leaving NYS because of the knuckleheads in Albany and the transplant thread to be highly coincidental.